endymion said:

I'm tense and anxious and fearful

ZombieKitten said:

yes it is an eye 4 an eye mentality .....and im not certain on the death penatly to be honest ...in as far as mistakes made etc.....but if someone did that to my child ...I would want them dead ..I would want them to suffer ...and I would not care what happened to me

ocean said:

what about you being around for your other child and husband?

Ottensen said:

maybe it takes away our sense ..maybe Im wrong I don't know ...but when I think of someone doing that to my child ...in reality ...I am honest enough to say I wouldn't be wanting the culprit to seek help ..deam himself cured ...I would want him dead.....

I've often thought if one of my kids died I'd want to be dead too, but then my other 2 children would be motherless and that would be even worse

oh and Kylie I bolded a passage in your post which I meant to follow up with: I think death is probably too easy an option, punishment wise. Life in isolation, say, would be far worse.

ZombieKitten said:

As for my husband ..Im guessing he would literally slit the throat of the person before I could think about it ....As for not being around for my other child ...I know they have other family members that love them ..I know they would be ok with them .....and u know what the australian justice system is a joke ...what would I get 12 months ...its god damn pathetic

ZombieKitten said:

If they got the punishment they deserved I would be happy with that..and ur right death in many cases would be the easy way out ...but what do rapists and murderers get these days....is it any wonder that people want to take matters into their own hands

ocean said:

that may be. what sentence would this guy get if he lived here?

ZombieKitten said:

Here....I would not be surprised if it was said he was insane (isn't anyone that commits these crimes ) or not his fault as it was drug induced ...and received minimum sentence...therapy and was out in less than 12 months ..oh and don't forget ur community service .....poor man...oh wait ..hes 17 ..poor child

ZombieKitten said:

looks like not only our justice system is pathetic
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/h...057164.stm
(not for the faint of heart)

ZombieKitten said:

What would ur thoughts be if u had one child?

ocean said:

look at this:
http://www.deathpenaltyin...her-murder

ZombieKitten said:

That made me cry ...12 weeks ....I have no words

ocean said:

I would probably be one of those ones who would fight to have laws changed (double life imprisonment without good behaviour or parole - one life for rape of child, one life for murder) or until it killed me or I killed myself first. It would so totally ruin my life whether I could avenge the crime or not, my life would have to be given some meaning, some point of even going on. I doubt my marriage would survive.

ocean said:

I don't know if I even read that right, 6-8 years?!?!?!

u know its bizarre to me....chapelle got a 20 year sentence in Bali .....then there was the bali nine..death penalty ...the recent bar mat incident ...all far to extreme in my opinion but our system is a joke to the other degree....
When we were in Bali ..our tour guide told us if u left ur push bike on the side of the road it would still be there years later ....(corrupt police system yes ....but no one steals ....even a stealing a chicken holds a extreme penalty)...but if ur gonna rape or murder ...make sure u do it here

ZombieKitten said:

yep ....and a 12 week old baby

ocean said:

ZombieKitten said:

So u would take ur life? .....I understand the fight to change ...but bloody hell can u imagine it happening ....the way so many people these days want to hug and reform .....yeah ..I hate to say it but ur kids would die of old age and I doubt u would be any closer to that .....lets send them to bali and make them steal a bar mat

ocean said:

I probably would, if I ended up with nothing to live for - that would be my way out of it.

ZombieKitten said:

And ur other children then?
oh wait i think u only meant that if u had one child ...sorry
[Edited 6/10/09 4:53am]

ocean said:

you asked if I HAD only one child, this is totally hypothetical
If I had 2 remaining kids (see my above post) I could never leave them motherless, I'd be a shell of a mother probably but even killing someone won't change that.

ZombieKitten said:

I realised that after I said it and edited ...sorry ..not quickly enough its seems LOL
[Edited 6/10/09 4:57am]

ocean said:

ZombieKitten said:

u violent woman u ..are u sure u wouldn't kill him

ocean said:

if I caught him in the act, I bloody well would, who wouldn't?

ZombieKitten said:

and there we have it folks I love u

ocean said:

that's not the point though.

say the person is caught 2 weeks later, I wouldn't kill him then, what would be the point?

ZombieKitten said:

How does the point of what he/she did change by 2 weeks passing by

ocean said:

If you kill someone you catch doing that to your child (and perhaps you could stop them without having to kill them?) you are protecting your child, as a parent does, that's like a base instinct, and would be abnormal if you didn't. But once your kid is gone, you can't bring that child back by killing another - this is kind of the differentiation I've been making this whole time and nobody is seeing that
[Edited 6/10/09 5:15am]