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PrintableCalhounSq said: Had never heard of it before now, that shit is fucking stupid. I wish a mf would run up on me w/ that mess
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That's not even a dance, and any girl that would allow that to be done to her on the dance floor has no self esteem. | |
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JayJai said: It's nothing new on the dance floor throughout the Caribbean.
We see it in carnival and in clubs all the time... they jus dance rougher and gave it a name now I suppose. IMO, it's degrading, but it's normal round these parts. And now they're tryin to ban it in Jamaica cause doctors are seein a vast increase in the amount of broken penises comin into their office from bringin the dance to the bedroom! 
Seriously. I've been following this daggering thing and the dancehall bans overall. How's all that going? Have they successfully gotten all the "bleeped" tunes off the air? I can't imagine how this is working out esp. passa passa being so big. I don't understand the daggering and male crew stuff of recent years. Whatever happened to water pumpy, bubbling, and wining? Girls noe jist stand around and watch the guys dance OR get jumped on. | |
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VenusBlingBling said: Oh boy... Some say it's a healthy way to let out all the tension and aggression... From my point of view it's just sexist and awful and not very healthy considering people end up in the hospital or even dead, as you said. I don't know, the dancehall culture is foreign to me. What is up with Jamaica and sex...? I don't think anyone had ended up dead from daggering yet, but I've read that two girls died from dutty wine (broken necks). I'm just getting in to dancehall (from afar) and I wonder the same thing, what's up w/ Jamaica and sex. I think either it's a place where everybody's always getting some or nobody's getting any.  | |
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RodeoSchro said: That's not even a dance, and any girl that would allow that to be done to her on the dance floor has no self esteem.
Your first thought is that the women have a problem?  |
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CarrieMpls said: RodeoSchro said: That's not even a dance, and any girl that would allow that to be done to her on the dance floor has no self esteem.
Your first thought is that the women have a problem? Of course! | |
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CarrieMpls said: RodeoSchro said: That's not even a dance, and any girl that would allow that to be done to her on the dance floor has no self esteem.
Your first thought is that the women have a problem? No, that wasn't my first thought. My first thought was, "Damn, this isn't even dancing." But do you think that any woman with self esteem would think, "Hey! How about if I go on the dance floor, bend over, and let a guy pretend to poke me in the butt!"? I bet YOU wouldn't do that. | |
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JustErin said: CarrieMpls said: Your first thought is that the women have a problem? Of course! Hey, if you really CAN read minds, let's go to Vegas! We can clean up! | |
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RodeoSchro said: JustErin said: Of course! Hey, if you really CAN read minds, let's go to Vegas! We can clean up! I'd do naughty things there that you wouldn't approve of, so.... | |
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brooksie said: I've been following this daggering thing and the dancehall bans overall. How's all that going? Have they successfully gotten all the "bleeped" tunes off the air? I can't imagine how this is working out esp. passa passa being so big. They've passed the ban but those types of things are embedded in the Jamaican culture that most people won't go along with it. I don't understand the daggering and male crew stuff of recent years. Whatever happened to water pumpy, bubbling, and wining? Girls now just stand around and watch the guys dance OR get jumped on.
Those things haven't just recently started, it's jus that now the dancehall artists are incorporatin them into their videos...then there's youtube. That's why it seems to be a recent development. RodeoSchro said: That's not even a dance, and any girl that would allow that to be done to her on the dance floor has no self esteem.
Sayin that would be like sayin the whole of the Caribbean doh have any self-esteem. Not sayin everyone does it but heavy gyrating is a part of our culture when it comes to dancin. Alot of the dances stem from African dance culture. This particular dance also stems from African dance culture... Jamaicans are just over-doing it...but... dancin like that for them is a part of their dance culture. I don't think you'd wanna come to carnival in the Caribbean... u'll jus be walkin around like   the entire time
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JayJai said: brooksie said: I've been following this daggering thing and the dancehall bans overall. How's all that going? Have they successfully gotten all the "bleeped" tunes off the air? I can't imagine how this is working out esp. passa passa being so big. They've passed the ban but those types of things are embedded in the Jamaican culture that most people won't go along with it. Those things haven't just recently started, it's jus that now the dancehall artists are incorporatin them into their videos...then there's youtube. That's why it seems to be a recent development. RodeoSchro said: That's not even a dance, and any girl that would allow that to be done to her on the dance floor has no self esteem.
Sayin that would be like sayin the whole of the Caribbean doh have any self-esteem. Not sayin everyone does it but heavy gyrating is a part of our culture when it comes to dancin. Alot of the dances stem from African dance culture. This particular dance also stems from African dance culture... Jamaicans are just over-doing it...but... dancin like that for them is a part of their dance culture. I don't think you'd wanna come to carnival in the Caribbean... u'll jus be walkin around like the entire time
I guess it all depends on the culture and country u grew up in. I figured you were in/from the Caribbean.  Don't laugh but, LOL...I get much of my knowledge from The Gleaner and the like. The debates about dancehall in "official" places fascinates me. It's the same old stuff as w/ hip hop, but so much more heated. I've been quite amused following these developments because they seem so unenforceable. The radio play bleep rule is way over the top...if it really gets enforced (how?) I think it's going to throw alot of artistes on the streets w/ bad results.
In dancehall vids, you hardly ever see girls dancing w/ guys anymore. The dancehall queens do the boys thing these days, seems to me. The girls are even getting pushed outta video lights. The Bogle style reminds me of the whole crew thing we had here in the 80s and step shows. To piggy back on what you were saying to Rodeo....we Black Americans are pretty much the only people of African decent who don't regularly dance this way (ie wining), IMHO. It's all over Caribbean and Latin cultures, it's the basic move. Indians in the Caribbean dance this way as well w/ their tassas. Some claim the current daggering is derived from kumina dances, but I don't know. I do know that it's not a self-esteem issue in terms of the dance style, tho daggering is the extreme. That's why daggering is so controversial. I'm gonna get in trouble for this , but I think some of the best examples of wining is w/ soca/calypso and salsa/samba.[Edited 6/8/09 10:13am] | |
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brooksie said: JayJai said: Sayin that would be like sayin the whole of the Caribbean doh have any self-esteem. Not sayin everyone does it but heavy gyrating is a part of our culture when it comes to dancin. Alot of the dances stem from African dance culture. This particular dance also stems from African dance culture... Jamaicans are just over-doing it...but... dancin like that for them is a part of their dance culture. I don't think you'd wanna come to carnival in the Caribbean... u'll jus be walkin around like the entire time
I guess it all depends on the culture and country u grew up in. I figured you were in/from the Caribbean. Don't laugh but, LOL...I get much of my knowledge from The Gleaner and the like. The debates about dancehall in "official" places fascinates me. It's the same old stuff as w/ hip hop, but so much more heated. I've been quite amused following these developments because they seem so unenforceable. The radio play bleep rule is way over the top...if it really gets enforced (how?) I think it's going to throw alot of artistes on the streets w/ bad results.
In dancehall vids, you hardly ever see girls dancing w/ guys anymore. The dancehall queens do the boys thing these days, seems to me. The girls are even getting pushed outta video lights. The Bogle style reminds me of the whole crew thing we had here in the 80s and step shows. To piggy back on what you were saying to Rodeo....we Black Americans are pretty much the only people of African decent who don't regularly dance this way (ie wining), IMHO. It's all over Caribbean and Latin cultures, it's the basic move. Indians in the Caribbean dance this way as well w/ their tassas. Some claim the current daggering is derived from kumina dances, but I don't know. I do know that it's not a self-esteem issue in terms of the dance style, tho daggering is the extreme. That's why daggering is so controversial. I'm gonna get in trouble for this , but I think some of the best examples of wining is w/ soca/calypso and salsa/samba.
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Grenada is primarily about calypso, then soca. Trinidad - soca then calypso. Barbados - soca then calypso. U should pay one of these islands a visit sometime. U seem like u'll love it! I swear the words "HATER" is wayyy over-rated...smh | |
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brooksie said: VenusBlingBling said: Oh boy... Some say it's a healthy way to let out all the tension and aggression... From my point of view it's just sexist and awful and not very healthy considering people end up in the hospital or even dead, as you said. I don't know, the dancehall culture is foreign to me. What is up with Jamaica and sex...? I don't think anyone had ended up dead from daggering yet, but I've read that two girls died from dutty wine (broken necks). I'm just getting in to dancehall (from afar) and I wonder the same thing, what's up w/ Jamaica and sex. I think either it's a place where everybody's always getting some or nobody's getting any. When i was living in the Caribbean the dutty wine had just come out and there were all these dutty wine contests everywhere. And then one day there was a doctor on the radio advising people to abstain from the dutty wine, especially with wet hair. Tempo used to have viewers send in videos of themselves doing the dutty wine and OMG some of those girls would make themselves so dizzy that they would just fall down. | |
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If a guy tried that with me, I'd be forced to break his penis. 
Dance craze causes bodily harm June 3, 2009 KINGSTON (Jamaica) - A POPULAR dance in Jamaica faces restriction by the government after being blamed for a spate of broken penises, said media reports on Wednesday. The erotic dance style known as 'daggering', features couples simulating dry sex in various positions to the beat of the music. The steps generally include extreme gyrating, heavy pelvis-thrusting and daredevil leaps. According to media reports, couples have taken the dance moves to the bedroom with disastrous results. The warning against the dance came from Jamaican doctors, prompted by being presented with a range of fractured penises caused by rough intercourse. The number of cases have tripled in the last year, the UK's Sun reported. Jamaica's government, concerned about the dance's growing popularity and public protests, has now banned ban songs and videos with blatantly sexual content, reported news.com.au. Jamaica's Broadcasting Commission, which defines daggering as a "colloquial term used in dancehall culture as a reference to hardcore sex or what is popularly referred to as 'dry sex' or the activities of persons engaged in the public simulation of various sexual acts and positions", enforced the ban in February. 'There shall not be transmitted through radio or television or cable services, any recording, live song or music video which promotes the act of 'daggering', or which makes reference to, or is otherwise suggestive of 'daggering',' the Jamaican Broadcasting Commission's official statement said. According to The Sun, 'daggering' is just a new name for an older dance style that has existed for a number of years in the Jamaican dancehall music scene. Jamaicans are apparently divided over the dance and the subsequent banning of the style - with some musicians saying it restricts free speech - but others support the government ban. http://www.straitstimes.c...85317.html We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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CarrieMpls said: RodeoSchro said: That's not even a dance, and any girl that would allow that to be done to her on the dance floor has no self esteem.
Your first thought is that the women have a problem?
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brooksie said: JayJai said: Sayin that would be like sayin the whole of the Caribbean doh have any self-esteem. Not sayin everyone does it but heavy gyrating is a part of our culture when it comes to dancin. Alot of the dances stem from African dance culture. This particular dance also stems from African dance culture... Jamaicans are just over-doing it...but... dancin like that for them is a part of their dance culture. I don't think you'd wanna come to carnival in the Caribbean... u'll jus be walkin around like the entire time
I guess it all depends on the culture and country u grew up in. I figured you were in/from the Caribbean. Don't laugh but, LOL...I get much of my knowledge from The Gleaner and the like. The debates about dancehall in "official" places fascinates me. It's the same old stuff as w/ hip hop, but so much more heated. I've been quite amused following these developments because they seem so unenforceable. The radio play bleep rule is way over the top...if it really gets enforced (how?) I think it's going to throw alot of artistes on the streets w/ bad results.
In dancehall vids, you hardly ever see girls dancing w/ guys anymore. The dancehall queens do the boys thing these days, seems to me. The girls are even getting pushed outta video lights. The Bogle style reminds me of the whole crew thing we had here in the 80s and step shows. To piggy back on what you were saying to Rodeo....we Black Americans are pretty much the only people of African decent who don't regularly dance this way (ie wining), IMHO. It's all over Caribbean and Latin cultures, it's the basic move. Indians in the Caribbean dance this way as well w/ their tassas. Some claim the current daggering is derived from kumina dances, but I don't know. I do know that it's not a self-esteem issue in terms of the dance style, tho daggering is the extreme. That's why daggering is so controversial. I'm gonna get in trouble for this , but I think some of the best examples of wining is w/ soca/calypso and salsa/samba.
[Edited 6/8/09 10:13am] Totally! Dolla, dolla, dolla, dolla, dolla!!! | |
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brooksie said: VenusBlingBling said: Oh boy... Some say it's a healthy way to let out all the tension and aggression... From my point of view it's just sexist and awful and not very healthy considering people end up in the hospital or even dead, as you said. I don't know, the dancehall culture is foreign to me. What is up with Jamaica and sex...? I don't think anyone had ended up dead from daggering yet, but I've read that two girls died from dutty wine (broken necks). I'm just getting in to dancehall (from afar) and I wonder the same thing, what's up w/ Jamaica and sex. I think either it's a place where everybody's always getting some or nobody's getting any. Did you read my post? [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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Genesia said: If a guy tried that with me, I'd be forced to break his penis.
Dance craze causes bodily harm June 3, 2009 KINGSTON (Jamaica) - A POPULAR dance in Jamaica faces restriction by the government after being blamed for a spate of broken penises, said media reports on Wednesday. The erotic dance style known as 'daggering', features couples simulating dry sex in various positions to the beat of the music. The steps generally include extreme gyrating, heavy pelvis-thrusting and daredevil leaps. According to media reports, couples have taken the dance moves to the bedroom with disastrous results. The warning against the dance came from Jamaican doctors, prompted by being presented with a range of fractured penises caused by rough intercourse. The number of cases have tripled in the last year, the UK's Sun reported. Jamaica's government, concerned about the dance's growing popularity and public protests, has now banned ban songs and videos with blatantly sexual content, reported news.com.au. Jamaica's Broadcasting Commission, which defines daggering as a "colloquial term used in dancehall culture as a reference to hardcore sex or what is popularly referred to as 'dry sex' or the activities of persons engaged in the public simulation of various sexual acts and positions", enforced the ban in February. 'There shall not be transmitted through radio or television or cable services, any recording, live song or music video which promotes the act of 'daggering', or which makes reference to, or is otherwise suggestive of 'daggering',' the Jamaican Broadcasting Commission's official statement said. According to The Sun, 'daggering' is just a new name for an older dance style that has existed for a number of years in the Jamaican dancehall music scene. Jamaicans are apparently divided over the dance and the subsequent banning of the style - with some musicians saying it restricts free speech - but others support the government ban. http://www.straitstimes.c...85317.html I've been wondering about this "broken penis" thing since a penis doesn't have a bone. Sprains, yes...but broken? This seems like it would be far more hurtful to women then men...ouch. Anyway, that ain't the way to go!
The second bolded is the ban I was referring to. Heavy duty IF it's enforced.  [Edited 6/8/09 11:05am] | |
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sammij said: brooksie said: I don't think anyone had ended up dead from daggering yet, but I've read that two girls died from dutty wine (broken necks). I'm just getting in to dancehall (from afar) and I wonder the same thing, what's up w/ Jamaica and sex. I think either it's a place where everybody's always getting some or nobody's getting any. Did you read my post? I saw your post a bit later, but I have seen the vid you're talking about. AFAIK, the girl didn't die, but the selector and crowd were disgraceful. IF someone hasn't died yet, they will. That was insane! You said you aren't into dancehall, but what do you think about all these bans? [Edited 6/8/09 11:11am] | |
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brooksie said: sammij said: Did you read my post? I saw your post a bit later, but I have seen the vid you're talking about. AFAIK, the girl didn't die, but the selector and crowd were disgraceful. IF someone hasn't died let, they will. That was insane! You said you aren't into dancehall, but what do you think about all these bans? I think they're necessary, creativity doesn't have to take shape in such an abrasive way. There should be a resurgence of bubblin and whining, there was nothing wrong with that.. I mean, if people wanna fuck, go do it in a room to yourselves. [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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sammij said: brooksie said: I saw your post a bit later, but I have seen the vid you're talking about. AFAIK, the girl didn't die, but the selector and crowd were disgraceful. IF someone hasn't died let, they will. That was insane! You said you aren't into dancehall, but what do you think about all these bans? I think they're necessary, creativity doesn't have to take shape in such an abrasive way. There should be a resurgence of bubblin and whining, there was nothing wrong with that..[/b] I mean, if people wanna fuck, go do it in a room to yourselves. Boys dancing WITH girls (instead of jumping on them) again can't be a bad thing!
I'm starting to wonder if you saw a different vid than I did. In what you saw, did the guy jump on her about 30 seconds in? She was laying flat on the ground. His knee (I think) hit her head and her body kinda bounced upwards. The selector on the one I saw acted like an ass. Is that the vid? Tho I hate censorship in any form, things were going too far here. It distrubs me that so many dancehall artistes and associated end up dead. I wonder why the artistes didn't stop while they were ahead cuz these bans Ray Charles could have seen coming? Think this will help bring a roots revivial to JA or will it just be a radio play vs dancehall play thing? I like dancehall from afar (mostly stuff from the 80s-90s) but they play far too rough for me. [Edited 6/8/09 11:22am] | |
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brooksie said: sammij said: I think they're necessary, creativity doesn't have to take shape in such an abrasive way. There should be a resurgence of bubblin and whining, there was nothing wrong with that..[/b] I mean, if people wanna fuck, go do it in a room to yourselves. Boys dancing WITH girls (instead of jumping on them) again can't be a bad thing!
I'm starting to wonder if you saw a different vid than I did. In what you saw, did the guy jump on her about 30 seconds in? She was laying flat on the ground. His knee (I think) hit her head and her body kinda bounced upwards. The selector on the one I saw acted like an ass. Is that the vid? Tho I hate censorship in any form, things were going too far here. It distrubs me that so many dancehall artistes and associated end up dead. I wonder why the artistes didn't stop while they were ahead cuz these bans Ray Cahels could have seen coming? Think this will help bring a roots revivial to JA or will it just be a radio play vs dancehall play thing? she was wearing a black shirt and denim pants short hair looked like she was sitting in a bucket or some kind of basin and the dude landed somewhere on her torso, and yeah, her body bounced from the impact. [...i think i can, i think i can, i think i can...] | |
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johnart said: RenHoek said: I wanna see that as an audition for "So You Think You Can Dance" just to see the looks on the judges faces...
Or an added category on "Dancing With the Stars". Get it Cloris! Get it!!! I'd love to see a "head top" section on these shows.  There's a YT vid of a girl head topping and falling right off the stage in a dancehall queen contest.
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JayJai said: brooksie said: I figured you were in/from the Caribbean. Don't laugh but, LOL...I get much of my knowledge from The Gleaner and the like. The debates about dancehall in "official" places fascinates me. It's the same old stuff as w/ hip hop, but so much more heated. I've been quite amused following these developments because they seem so unenforceable. The radio play bleep rule is way over the top...if it really gets enforced (how?) I think it's going to throw alot of artistes on the streets w/ bad results.
In dancehall vids, you hardly ever see girls dancing w/ guys anymore. The dancehall queens do the boys thing these days, seems to me. The girls are even getting pushed outta video lights. The Bogle style reminds me of the whole crew thing we had here in the 80s and step shows. To piggy back on what you were saying to Rodeo....we Black Americans are pretty much the only people of African decent who don't regularly dance this way (ie wining), IMHO. It's all over Caribbean and Latin cultures, it's the basic move. Indians in the Caribbean dance this way as well w/ their tassas. Some claim the current daggering is derived from kumina dances, but I don't know. I do know that it's not a self-esteem issue in terms of the dance style, tho daggering is the extreme. That's why daggering is so controversial. I'm gonna get in trouble for this , but I think some of the best examples of wining is w/ soca/calypso and salsa/samba.
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Grenada is primarily about calypso, then soca. Trinidad - soca then calypso. Barbados - soca then calypso. U should pay one of these islands a visit sometime. U seem like u'll love it! I think it would be alot of fun to go down and hang out. I'm realy just getting into soca and calypso and it's so much fun. The urge to wine can't be controlled when you put it on. Upbeat sounding (even if I don't understand the words YET) and high beats per minute. | |
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brooksie said: JayJai said:
Grenada is primarily about calypso, then soca. Trinidad - soca then calypso. Barbados - soca then calypso. U should pay one of these islands a visit sometime. U seem like u'll love it! I think it would be alot of fun to go down and hang out. I'm realy just getting into soca and calypso and it's so much fun. The urge to wine can't be controlled when you put it on. Upbeat sounding (even if I don't understand the words YET) and high beats per minute. i'm stoked for toronto's caribana and hamilton's mardi gras 
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#1 I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND A WORD THAT FOOL WAS SAYING
#2 THAT DANCE WAS DISGUSTING AND NOT A CONDOM IN SIGHT #3 THE GIRLS DIDN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING BUT "BEND OVER" AND LOOK LIKE SOME UNPAID HOOKERS #4 HOW THE HELL DID THAT ONE DUDE PICK UP MISS BIG GIRL AND NOT BREAK HIS BACK? #5 THEY MIGHT AS WELL JUST FUCK AND GET IT OVER WITH. | |
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sammij said: brooksie said: I think it would be alot of fun to go down and hang out. I'm realy just getting into soca and calypso and it's so much fun. The urge to wine can't be controlled when you put it on. Upbeat sounding (even if I don't understand the words YET) and high beats per minute. i'm stoked for toronto's caribana and hamilton's mardi gras
when is it? | |
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brooksie said: JayJai said:
Grenada is primarily about calypso, then soca. Trinidad - soca then calypso. Barbados - soca then calypso. U should pay one of these islands a visit sometime. U seem like u'll love it! I think it would be alot of fun to go down and hang out. I'm realy just getting into soca and calypso and it's so much fun. The urge to wine can't be controlled when you put it on. Upbeat sounding (even if I don't understand the words YET) and high beats per minute. yeah and u dont need no man to have fun. how about chutney music? (trini/guyanese) | |
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DesireeNevermind said: #1 I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND A WORD THAT FOOL WAS SAYING
#2 THAT DANCE WAS DISGUSTING AND NOT A CONDOM IN SIGHT #3 THE GIRLS DIDN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING BUT "BEND OVER" AND LOOK LIKE SOME UNPAID HOOKERS #4 HOW THE HELL DID THAT ONE DUDE PICK UP MISS BIG GIRL AND NOT BREAK HIS BACK? #5 THEY MIGHT AS WELL JUST FUCK AND GET IT OVER WITH. About #2...you wanna know what's funny? There's a brand of condoms called "daggering". The artiste who made one of the original videos about the subject also is promoting this line of condoms. His name is Vybz Kartel. OK someone here please tell me, what exactly IS the water pumpy? | |
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brooksie said: DesireeNevermind said: #1 I DIDN'T UNDERSTAND A WORD THAT FOOL WAS SAYING
#2 THAT DANCE WAS DISGUSTING AND NOT A CONDOM IN SIGHT #3 THE GIRLS DIDN'T EVEN DO ANYTHING BUT "BEND OVER" AND LOOK LIKE SOME UNPAID HOOKERS #4 HOW THE HELL DID THAT ONE DUDE PICK UP MISS BIG GIRL AND NOT BREAK HIS BACK? #5 THEY MIGHT AS WELL JUST FUCK AND GET IT OVER WITH. About #2...you wanna know what's funny? There's a brand of condoms called "daggering". The artiste who made one of the original videos about the subject also is promoting this line of condoms. His name is Vybz Kartel. OK someone here please tell me, what exactly IS the water pumpy? at the risk of sounding just as disgusting as the vid looks. maybe water pumpy has to do with golden showers or busting up some poor chicks bladder? i mean these dudes do look like they could do some serious internal damage. im jus sayin' | |
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