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PrintableCarrieMpls said: ZombieKitten said: those pics are weird, to me a lot of those normal people look underweight and most of the overweight people look normal
http://www.nhlbisupport.c.../bmi-m.htm BMI Categories: Underweight = <18.5 Normal weight = 18.5-24.9 Overweight = 25-29.9 Obesity = BMI of 30 or greater I get a 24 (just in on normal) and look much more overweight than the overweight people in those photos  That's why I find it so interesting, though. It lists their heights and weights, so you could calculate the bmi yourself. So either the bmi chart is inaccurate (though it's what is widely accepted) or we are just getting bigger as a population so our perception of "normal" has changed. The BMI chart is quite general and as individuals body shapes do differ and how and where fat is stored results will vary. Obesity is a growing problem and as you state has become a 'normal' way of living even with the risks it poses in due course. Losing weight is not just about crash diets, weight management is an entire lifestyle change that must be adhered to otherwise the weight will be stacked on again. | |
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PanthaGirl said: Amaxx said: U have 2 marry her 2 get the discounts!  U gotta pay one way or another!
Besides! They're Qantas' cut rate airline anyway! No he doesn't lol not sure how Jetstar roll with staff travel but with Virgin they allow staff to add up to 5 peeps on their travel lists (relation or not). See Dude! U're rolling with the wrong crowd on facebook! | |
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PanthaGirl said: Amaxx said: They used to get fired for being prgnant! But going by the elderly ladies who work on Quantas domestic! I guess not!  British Airways, United and Qantas have staff that look like they just busted out of Cell Block H. Virgin, Tiger and Jetstar all have younger staff members. Who would you rather fly with?
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CarrieMpls said: I found this website interesting.
http://www.flickr.com/pho...19/detail/ I think it was particularly interesting to me because as some of you know (as I've posted about here before) I have a body image distortion thing going on in my head, wherein what I see in the mirror and what I see in pictures of me are two different things. This has ranged from thinking I was severely overweight when I wasn't, to not seeing how much weight I was carrying around when I have been overweight. To this day, I hate pictures of me. I have an idealized notion of what I look like in my head and when I see pics that don't match what I "see" in the mirror I get depressed. I no longer allow photos to be taken of me - no joke. I let sirpsycho take them in nyc the other weekend as it was a fun opportunity but those are the only pics taken of me in about 6 months and I have no plans to allow any in the future. I have had people tell me that surely I'm not "obese" (but I am), and while I assume folks say that just to be nice (lol) I think maybe many of us are getting more and more used to overweight being the norm, so much so that we don't see it as being overweight anymore. What do you guys think? 
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CarrieMpls said: I found this website interesting.
http://www.flickr.com/pho...19/detail/ I think it was particularly interesting to me because as some of you know (as I've posted about here before) I have a body image distortion thing going on in my head, wherein what I see in the mirror and what I see in pictures of me are two different things. This has ranged from thinking I was severely overweight when I wasn't, to not seeing how much weight I was carrying around when I have been overweight. To this day, I hate pictures of me. I have an idealized notion of what I look like in my head and when I see pics that don't match what I "see" in the mirror I get depressed. I no longer allow photos to be taken of me - no joke. I let sirpsycho take them in nyc the other weekend as it was a fun opportunity but those are the only pics taken of me in about 6 months and I have no plans to allow any in the future. I have had people tell me that surely I'm not "obese" (but I am), and while I assume folks say that just to be nice (lol) I think maybe many of us are getting more and more used to overweight being the norm, so much so that we don't see it as being overweight anymore. What do you guys think? I thought some of the classifications were off. some overweight looked fine. Some overweight looked obese. Some Obese looked overweight and none of the underweights (what I saw) were out of control 
I know how you feel about pictures. I only pose on one side if possible because I look in the mirror and think gee, I'm cute! then see pictures and can't believe what a monster I am on camera 
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Amaxx said: PanthaGirl said:
This is your unbiased opinion of course!!!! the Nancy Bird Walton   
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Imago said: 
He's listed as 'nearly obese'. I would bend his nearly obese arse, over my knee and have my way with him. damn  Yeah see, no way on any planet do I think he is obese 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Imago said:
He's listed as 'nearly obese'. I would bend his nearly obese arse, over my knee and have my way with him. damn Yeah see, no way on any planet do I think he is obese He must have 16 inch arms at least. He may be large and heavy but I'm assuming much of it is muscle mass. Either way that asshole is begging to be ripped apart. I don't think he's a good candidate for this BMI/weight/height thing | |
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ZombieKitten said: Amaxx said: This is your unbiased opinion of course!!!! the Nancy Bird Walton
I love that plane so much I want to marry it! How good could it really be?????  | |
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Amaxx said: ZombieKitten said: the Nancy Bird Walton
I love that plane so much I want to marry it! How good could it really be????? it's like a bumblebee, you are just amazed it can even get off the ground, and it does, effortlessly! It's much quieter than 747s (though I DO love them too) and it doesn't rattle as much in the turbulence seats are a bit wider, but generally it's just awesome (remember I like all planes, even the old DC-10s, MD-80s, de Havilland ones with big propellers
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ZombieKitten said: Amaxx said: How good could it really be????? it's like a bumblebee, you are just amazed it can even get off the ground, and it does, effortlessly! It's much quieter than 747s (though I DO love them too) and it doesn't rattle as much in the turbulence seats are a bit wider, but generally it's just awesome (remember I like all planes, even the old DC-10s, MD-80s, de Havilland ones with big propellers
I loved that one that's a real plane?!  2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: ZombieKitten said: it's like a bumblebee, you are just amazed it can even get off the ground, and it does, effortlessly! It's much quieter than 747s (though I DO love them too) and it doesn't rattle as much in the turbulence seats are a bit wider, but generally it's just awesome (remember I like all planes, even the old DC-10s, MD-80s, de Havilland ones with big propellers
I loved that one that's a real plane?! isn't it adorable!!!! | |
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ZombieKitten said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: that's a real plane?! isn't it adorable!!!! I have never seen anything like it! It looks fake! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: ZombieKitten said: isn't it adorable!!!! I have never seen anything like it! It looks fake!
I flew one like this from Amsterdam to Stockholm, I think it could fit about 80 passengers, the attendants were more mature, but friendly | |
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ZombieKitten said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I have never seen anything like it! It looks fake!
I flew one like this from Amsterdam to Stockholm, I think it could fit about 80 passengers, the attendants were more mature, but friendly we don't have planes like that here. It looks like a jet and the only planes with propelers like that are small and they don't even have those wheels on em! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: ZombieKitten said:
I flew one like this from Amsterdam to Stockholm, I think it could fit about 80 passengers, the attendants were more mature, but friendly we don't have planes like that here. It looks like a jet and the only planes with propelers like that are small and they don't even have those wheels on em! you do 12 February 2009: Colgan Air Flight 3407 a Q400, from Newark Liberty International Airport to Buffalo Niagara International Airport crashed into a house in Clarence Center, New York, while preparing to land at the airport. All 49 people on board, including four crew and one off duty pilot, and one person on the ground were killed. Two other people on the ground received minor injuries. The cause is under investigation. do you remember this accident earlier this year?  | |
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ZombieKitten said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: we don't have planes like that here. It looks like a jet and the only planes with propelers like that are small and they don't even have those wheels on em! you do 12 February 2009: Colgan Air Flight 3407 a Q400, from Newark Liberty International Airport to Buffalo Niagara International Airport crashed into a house in Clarence Center, New York, while preparing to land at the airport. All 49 people on board, including four crew and one off duty pilot, and one person on the ground were killed. Two other people on the ground received minor injuries. The cause is under investigation. do you remember this accident earlier this year? Well yeah but that plane looks like it's nearly a jumbo jet! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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ZombieKitten said: Amaxx said: How good could it really be????? it's like a bumblebee, you are just amazed it can even get off the ground, and it does, effortlessly! It's much quieter than 747s (though I DO love them too) and it doesn't rattle as much in the turbulence seats are a bit wider, but generally it's just awesome (remember I like all planes, even the old DC-10s, MD-80s, de Havilland ones with big propellers
I loved that one The worst plane I've ever been on was a DC-9! Oh the pain! Their pressurisation wasn't all that flash!  | |
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Amaxx said: ZombieKitten said: it's like a bumblebee, you are just amazed it can even get off the ground, and it does, effortlessly! It's much quieter than 747s (though I DO love them too) and it doesn't rattle as much in the turbulence seats are a bit wider, but generally it's just awesome (remember I like all planes, even the old DC-10s, MD-80s, de Havilland ones with big propellers
I loved that one The worst plane I've ever been on was a DC-9! Oh the pain! Their pressurisation wasn't all that flash! that's really old! | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: ZombieKitten said: you do 12 February 2009: Colgan Air Flight 3407 a Q400, from Newark Liberty International Airport to Buffalo Niagara International Airport crashed into a house in Clarence Center, New York, while preparing to land at the airport. All 49 people on board, including four crew and one off duty pilot, and one person on the ground were killed. Two other people on the ground received minor injuries. The cause is under investigation. do you remember this accident earlier this year? Well yeah but that plane looks like it's nearly a jumbo jet! 
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ZombieKitten said: Amaxx said: The worst plane I've ever been on was a DC-9! Oh the pain! Their pressurisation wasn't all that flash! that's really old! Well! I'm not exactly young! | |
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Amaxx said: ZombieKitten said: that's really old! Well! I'm not exactly young! We know  | |
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ocean said: Amaxx said: Well! I'm not exactly young! We know  | |
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Amaxx said: PanthaGirl said: British Airways, United and Qantas have staff that look like they just busted out of Cell Block H. Virgin, Tiger and Jetstar all have younger staff members. Who would you rather fly with?
Or...
This is your unbiased opinion of course!!!! Yah it's my professional opinion...
I've flown with many airlines and form my own opinions based on my experience etc. Apart from Virgin other preferances are Singapore, Thai, Malaysia & Caribbean Airlines. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: ZombieKitten said: it's like a bumblebee, you are just amazed it can even get off the ground, and it does, effortlessly! It's much quieter than 747s (though I DO love them too) and it doesn't rattle as much in the turbulence seats are a bit wider, but generally it's just awesome (remember I like all planes, even the old DC-10s, MD-80s, de Havilland ones with big propellers
I loved that one that's a real plane?! It looks like it's made out of Legos | |
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It's interesting. I think of myself as having a pretty realistic body image, but when I look at those pictures, the people who I look at and think, "that person is my size" are actually about 50lbs heavier than me.
My BMI puts me in the "morbidly obese" category. I'm a fat girl, no doubt, but I'm also relatively active and muscular. Healthy, certainly. BMI is a stupid measure of health. "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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BMI is really odd because it distorts the results for people who have a lot of muscle, particularly men. And it doesn't work equally well for all body types, so people who in reality are at an okay weight for their bodies can be labeled overweight, even though they really don't need to lose weight.
I think Americans have an incredibly poor understanding of and education about nutrition and fitness. And the things we turn to as guides perpetuate the misunderstanding. | |
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As a general rule not all people fit into the BMI standard well, there are exceptions, but BMI is a universally accepted measuring system by physicians and dietists worldwide. It's also misunderstanding to believe that for example men with lots of muscles, who do not fit BMI well, are "healthy" just because of having lots of muscles and that the BMI standard does not apply to them. Too many muscles and what the man must do to get and keep them and what the body has to endure over time to carry them, can also be an unhealthy thing. Moreover BMI does take into account that there can be variations in body types by keeping a wide margin of what is generally considered healthy or unhealthy, corraborated by over time proven facts, that people with substantial overweight or substantial underweight generally suffer more health problems than those with normal weight do. | |
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Efan said: BMI is really odd because it distorts the results for people who have a lot of muscle, particularly men. And it doesn't work equally well for all body types, so people who in reality are at an okay weight for their bodies can be labeled overweight, even though they really don't need to lose weight.
For example, a lot of the women in those pictures who seem to be unreasonably labeled 'overweight' have big tits, which throw off the BMI. "What's 'non-sequitur' mean? Do I look it up in a Fag-to-English dictionary?" | |
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tackam said: Efan said: BMI is really odd because it distorts the results for people who have a lot of muscle, particularly men. And it doesn't work equally well for all body types, so people who in reality are at an okay weight for their bodies can be labeled overweight, even though they really don't need to lose weight.
For example, a lot of the women in those pictures who seem to be unreasonably labeled 'overweight' have big tits, which throw off the BMI. exactly, which is why to me they don't look overweight and I stand by what I said earlier. | |
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