MuthaFunka said:

Yeah it's kinda like some of those those clowns that played with larry bird in
Boston like Jerry Sichting. And for the record i thought Bill Cartwright
was better as a knick than he was as a bull but at least he gave Chicago
someone to rebound and take up space in the middle.
[Edited 5/29/09 13:28pm]

phunkdaddy said:

Name a single player in any sport that has never been beaten on plays?
No such thing.

Graycap23 said:

Mean Joe Greene.

Graycap23 said:

LMAO! Please! If you stuck every single one of those players back in the 80s, they'd be SFs/PFs and would be KILLIN' IT! So don't EVENtry and come with that sideways nonsense, dawg!

Jordan MAY be better...but Kobe has the MOST skills ever. Your God isn't "GOD" like they've pushed him as, yo .

phunkdaddy said:

Exactly. MJ had NEVER seen no shit like that of what Ivy did to him with that crossover.

MuthaFunka said:

Lol.....6 rings zero losses in the finals. Enough said.

phunkdaddy said:

Sheeeeit! I can go on forever. Hell, even MJ said that shit when they asked him why doesn't he make his teammates better like Magic does for the Lakers - MJ said 'I don't have Worthy or Kareem. You try making Brad Sellers better' - .

phunkdaddy said:

Exactly. And what did Ainge do after he left Boston? Not a damn thing.

Graycap23 said:

Yeah, but NO ONE ever thought Michael God Jordan would EVER get beat.

Jordan won 6 titles with the following list of all-stars 4 teammates:
Scottie Pippen.....and nothing else.

Graycap23 said:

And yet he couldn't bring the Wizards to glory!...OR THE PLAYOFFS!

MuthaFunka said:

Your reach is never out of bounds huh?

Graycap23 said:

Muh'fuckas be lyin! Horace, Rodman, Cartwright, and BJ had ALL been All Stars - I thought you knew ya team, dawg?

Graycap23 said:

But...but...HE'S GOD! He can do EVERYTHING, remember?

MuthaFunka said:

I'll give Jordan his respect as one of the best ever(definitely top 5)
but to exclude Magic Johnson as probably being the best ever is
insane and this is coming from a sixers fan. Dude came in the league
as a damn rookie and ruined my title hopes as a sixer fan playing
center. I don't think bird, jordan, wilkins, barkley, malone could
ever have pulled that shit off. People may say magic had more talent
around him but it was the same team that couldn't beat seattle in
previous years. Unfortunately Magic's career was cut short but knowing
the competitor that he was, i think he would've added a couple more rings
to his fingers. All he had to do was tell Jerry West what he needed to help
him get another title and it would have been done. He was that damn good and would have went down as the best ever. Showtime.

phunkdaddy said:

Yeah, the 2 positions in sports that NEVER has a doubt as to who's #1 is WR and PG. It's ALWAYS Maj.

MuthaFunka said:

Hell it was a wrap then. Not as a player or coach. Notice how
the wizards got better immediately after he left. Jordan couldn't
let the team be who they were and grow. It had to be all about
immediate success and how MJ does it.

MuthaFunka said:

Being elected to 1 all star game does not make u all-pro.
Rodman was an all-star with the Pistons. Dawg.

Btw, u proved my point again. Horace, Cartwright and Bj were all-stars because of who? J O R D A N.
[Edited 5/29/09 13:54pm]

phunkdaddy said:

But that's the problem with great players - they're control freaks. Sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't. In MJ's case - him as owner didn't work with that control freak approach.

Graycap23 said:

Oh no this muh'fucka di'int! He did NOT just try and change it to ALL PRO!

MuthaFunka said:

So u are telling me the Horace, Bill and BJ were legit all-stars?

Graycap23 said:

Uh...what's an ILLEGIT All Star first?

MuthaFunka said:

Yeah that's what i respected about Larry Bird as a coach. He didn't
come out and tell reggie miller and the pacers you had to do it
my way or the celtics way. You do it your way but i'm going to ask
you to play hard. I think even Magic in his brief stint as a coach
didn't get this either.

Graycap23 said:

I can speak for Horace, but Bill and BJ eh.

phunkdaddy said:

Yeah, Legend was the exception, and surorised a lot of people at how great of a coach he was.

MuthaFunka said:

MJ still is a better defender then Kobe IMO, one on one he was one of the hardest to score on.
[Edited 5/29/09 22:34pm]

phunkdaddy said:

Whose ankles didn't Iverson break when he was here in Philly at least once? He got Jordan, Kobe and a host of others at least once.

Graycap23 said:

That's a stretch. Kobe is a better shooter from distance. I think Jordan's got him in every other category though (coming from a Laker fan). Kobe actually has it easier because the defensive players can't put their hands on the offensive players. Jordan would kill fools these days.

If Lebron learns to knock down shots consistently, and I think he will, he will surpass Jordan as the greatest individual player ever. Of course, basketball is a team game so he'll need some good teammates and a good coach too. Mo Williams and Mike Brown are a far cry from Pippen and Phil.

phunkdaddy said:

If I had to pick the best NBA basketball player ever, it would be Magic. The consummate winner-- at all levels. Now if we were talking one-on-one play I'd take MJ or maybe Wilt. There's a difference.

whodknee said:

Yep, the players can't manhandle each other like back in the day, can remember Jordan smackin' an opposing players hand away from him plenty of times back then. That makes something that Stu Scott said on the post game show tonight even more amazing:

Kobe is only the second player in NBA history to score 500 points during a playoff season, the other is Michael Jordan who did it EIGHT TIMES!!!!