three points :

1)lets have tyler answer some of spikes projects and have spike answer a couple of tylers projects and maybe balance will be found. 'member how the rappers used to do? and how many projects did mel brooks color???

2) if all you know bout black folk is found on tv..you may need to get out more.

3)blacks will never be 'summed up' on no show, movie, etc.

myfavorite said:

Will probably never happen but would be cool if they did Iconoclasts together.

it would certainly pave ways for not only thmseles, but hardy, singletery, duke, hooks~!` etc!

Thanx to JackieBlue for bringing this to my attention. Read this article ya'll:

Death To All Black TV Shows (Except the Ones Made By Tyler Perry)
Wednesday, June 3, 2009 at 8:00AM
Ding dong, your show is dead.If you tried to save "The Game" and "Everybody Loves Chris" on the CW your efforts went unnoticed. You, sirs and madams, are NOT fresh faced white teens. What you want to watch does not matter.

But you knew that, right?

So get out your chisels and the limestone so you can add their names to the wall of black shows that were not given proper series finales and were unceremoniously dumped from the air, mid-cliffhanger, whether they were successful or not.

"The Game" and "Everybody Loves Chris" have familiar company in this no man's land. Like FOX's once no. 1 rated sitcom "Living Single," UPN's "Moesha," "Girlfriends," "South Central," "Half and Half" and "Frank's Place," they're being kicked off the air they same way they were brought in -- underfunded and with little promotion.

All you have left now are Tyler Perry's "House of Payne" and "Meet the Browns."

More after the jump.

I honestly tried to watch "House of Payne" the other night. I really, really did. Because I love Allen Payne, you see. And he is on the show. And he used to be in movies. Like "New Jack City" and "The Perfect Storm," "Jason's Lyric" and "A Price Above Rubies." You know? Real movies. Like, he was the lead in some of them and the love interest in others and he had substantial speaking roles and a few of the films made money! Remember the 90s, Allen? Good times. I tried to watch you! I really, really tried, but I just wanted to put my head in my hands and cry.

What the fuck happened to your career? Damn you, Hollywood! Damn you to hell! It's bad enough you keep cancelling Mara Brock Akil's shows (She took what Yvette Lee Bowser started and made it ten times more awesome!) but look what you did to Dead Mike? I'll never forgive you! And why isn't Jill Marie Jones in SOMETHING already? How is she in beer commercials when she was one of the stars of a popular sitcom? I hate this industry so MUCH!

In my story on the lack of blacks in sci fi I got a testy response from one reader who felt my energy would have been better spent writing a sci fi show than playing "the race card." May I point to Akil as an example of how you can be good at something but it doesn't matter if the industry treats your creations like they're 22 minute pieces of filler until they can come up with the next "Pretty white kids with problems" show.

You can produce great material until you're blue in the face, but if you can't get the industry to support it, you are screwed. Hence why you have someone like me writing about the lack of black people in sci fi. I swear, an industry that can't find a place to stick Jill Marie Jones is wrong on so many levels that if Mr. Playin' The Race Card can't see that it is because he chose not to. The fact that Akil's shows keep getting cruelly slaughtered without even so much as a "fuck you" is a PROBLEM. To be treated like a black audience is basically disposable, that you can throw up some garbage and they will watch and you can build some advertising revenue then DUMP THEM ALL the minute you have enough scratch to create "Gossip Girl" is a glorious, cold, pimp slap to the face.

Or as Akil wrote on the blog Rushmore Drive:

(O)n the one hand I am truly thankful for the blessing of opportunity, but on the other, I’m mad, frustrated and disappointed that my veteran experience, which includes running "Girlfriends" and "The Game" for two years at the same time, doesn’t equal a cushy overall development deal somewhere, like my white male and sometimes female counterparts seem to land even in this time of economic crisis. Somehow, because my characters were of color, my shows don’t count as much. Doesn’t matter that at one point "Girlfriends" was the longest running comedy on television. Successfully producing 236 episodes (172 episodes of "Girlfriends" plus 64 episodes of "The Game") of television doesn’t have as much value. But that is the plight of being black in this business. That is the plight of being a woman in this business.

Yeah. What she said, Mr. Playin' The Race Card. You ass. They try to act like it was just a movie, but "Bamboozled" is frackin' real, people! It's real.

Weeeell
[Edited 6/3/09 13:29pm]

^^^^^To the person that told her she should have spent time writing a sci-fi...would it have mattered? Is having a right to voice her disgust for how she feels the tv/movie industry treats Black writers, producers, directors, when it involves constant cancellation of tv shows with predominantly black or diverse actors, or black filmmakers who have difficult times getting their movies in theatres or distributed/financed, labeled playing the "race card" when there seems to be a pattern of this happening?

I'm surprised the responder didn't call her the "angry black women" just because she expresses the truth that racism exists within the tv/film/music industries. It seems the powers-that-be in America's mainstream, see no reason to be concerned of the interests of Black audiences/viewers or see them as an 'inclusive" part of mainstream America, yet these media execs don't seem to have a problem embracing shows with stereotypical content/images.

When Black writers/producers dare to "take it further to more positive images" media/film execs seem to have an issue with that, and it seems those shows tend to get cancelled, have a shorter life on the tube, Same problem with the film industry, if the characters are not gangbangers/thugs, black males dressed as women, prostitutes, drug addicts, etc., it seems black filmmakers have a hard time getting films with the more positive images financial backing or distribution.

I can't get mad at Tyler Perry, I wish him well, but it is time to burn Madea's dress and take it further than that. If he continues to create these, negative stereotypes, then he is helping to keep the stereotypical image alive. If that's all people outside the black population see of Black people, then that is the impression that they will continue to have of us. Tyler has made some very good movies, so it shoes he has the capability to create television shows with positive and not stereotypical images of Blacks.

For example, look at the patterns...TV: "Meet the Browns" aka "Amos and Andy"; Films: Norbit aka "Madea" or Radio: Soulja Boy aka Minstrel shows "Stepit and Fecchit" types are the only ones that seem to be acceptable for the tv/film/music industry.

(I'll have more to say on this later, for now, that's all I have).
[Edited 6/3/09 14:13pm]

This is a poster in one of the black films blogs, voicing #s of pet peeves about black films' characteristics, which I found pretty funny and mind you, the nail on the coffin. Check this out:

It seems as if we can’t stand looking at ourselves as we are (because black people feel their beauty is inferior), so in most commercial black films we create these fake, idealized stand-ins that are really hard for me to stomach. Instead, I would like to see:

1. Black women easily recognizable as black women - this means brown/dark skin. Sorry lighter-skinned black women…you guys are over-represented.

2. hair that looks like most black women’s hair - I don’t care what hair texture, but a realistic depiction, please. I’m so tired of seeing perfectly-coiffed manes that look like reporter-hair. Celebrities may have hair like this, but real people? No.

3. weight - most black women are slightly heavy to overweight. I would like to see these women humanized…in any other role besides ‘mammy’ or the know-it-all, or (my personal favorite) ‘big black castrating bitch’. Why can’t she be normal?

4. accents - guess what? Black women come from other places besides the South. I don’t get it…why exactly does every single black woman have a southern accent? This annoys me to no end.

5. range in personality - black women seem to run in packs of fours on screen. And they seem to always be very extoverted and have a bunch of girlfriendy-wisdom. Would it hurt to see a singular, introverted black woman on screen? What is her story like? She exists nowhere in black cinema.

6. church - why does every black woman have a connection to the church? Greatly annoying. I’d like to see an unapologetic heathen

7. I want us to feel pain and cry real tears - we are way too happy and accommodating in most films. We don’t ever cease to be the ’strong black woman.’ Can we finally bury her someplace? I can’t live up to that steely perfection. I don’t want to see perfect black women as the antidote to mammies, video hoes, and whatnot…just normal women with complexities.

Ok, compare two different videos. First, House of Payne:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...G1H8kl6XzQ

Now, the Cosby show:

http://www.youtube.com/wa...SvGdfOfLFw

Which one is better? Easy test.

2freaky4church1 said:

ANSWER: The Cosby Show episodes with Lisa Bonet!

Harlepolis said:

Good stuff Harle.

Anxiety said:

That right there used to bug the CRAP outta me. I mean, really? EVERY opportunity got messed up? That's when I started to realize there was something wrong with the show. . .

TonyVanDam said:

ANYTHING by Bill Cosby is better than the crap Tyler is releasing. Even his 90s CBS show was better than House of Payne.

Harlepolis said:

Harlepolis said:

Comedian/actress Monique wanted to break weight barriers by getting into roles selected for slimmer women.

As for church, you can also find heathens in the church, and I believe that message can be subliminal in some movies. However, I see what you mean and that means getting away from too many church roles.

Get ready for...

Why Did I Get Married Too?
Perry is currently writing the sequel, which would be titled Why Did I Get Married Too? and would reunite the original cast, which included Janet Jackson, Jill Scott, Michael Jai White, and Perry himself in a non-Madea role. In fact, Perry told blackvoices he wouldn’t do the sequel without the original cast – all of them. His actors and his viewers tend to be very fond of the experience Perry provides.

As far as a story, Perry wouldn’t give any details, saying it was too early to reveal what the movie would be about just that he had more to say on marriage than he said in the first film.
Will there be another pairing with Tasha Smith?

Tyler Perry: 'Why Did Get Married Too?' I'm writing it right now.

Why do a sequel to the film?

TP: Because there is so much I want to say. There's not another film that I have written that I felt like there's more to say; and there's more say in 'Why Did I Get Married Too.'

Will it the same cast or a new group of actors?

TP: It will be the same cast. Everybody. I won't do it without the original cast.

What's the storyline?

TP: I can't talk about it now, but it's going to be great.

He has a lot to say for someone who's never been married.

Actually Jackie, Why Did I Get Married was the ONLY TP movie I could stomach, in fact, I liked it.

I'm ready for a sequel,,,,I am NOT ready however for the butch drag queen.

Harlepolis said:

I think it's his best effort. Bringing back the original cast could make it possibly worth seeing in the theaters.

Harlepolis said:

PREEEEACH!

Harlepolis said:

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remember "Girlfriends"??