Never have watched this show for more then 5 minutes. I can't get passed her hair.

I had a real hard time watching this...and all I can think about is those kids. I can understand why they started the show...a way to document their children's lives, and make some extra money. But why continue doing something that was suppose to help your children's lives, is now only going to hurt them in the end.

I feel sorry for both Kate and Jon, it's sad to think Kate thinks it's okay to talk down to people, she herself must have issues. It's sad that Jon, seems to be in limbo almost wishing this show never started.

I do hope they try to find away to fix their family...those kids should come before fame!!!!!

MoniGram said:

I agree! I dont watch TV but i see some parts when my mom watches it..my mom saying what a great mom she is PULEEEZZ she prolly has so much help its pathetic...the show makes me wanna I am not one for reality shows especially when they involve children

Kate emasculates her husband and HAS been emasculating him in front of the cameras for the duration of the show.

Kate is a ball busting heifer and John takes it. Perhaps not anymore.

I have not watched it since the gossip. She's such an ice crotch I cant watch it.

KatSkrizzle said:

ice crotch...

i've never heard of these people before until they a week ago articles talking bout them.

Can someone fill me in?

rnljs said:

To be dead honest, I'm more piss off with the American news media (entertainment or otherwise) are wasting their time promoting this "couple". With all of the bad news that is happening around the world, the news media are making time for THIS piece of reality TV crap.

I'm convince that Jon & Kate are both cheating on each other and divorce court is around the corner for the both of them. I feel sorry only for their children.

nakedpianoplayer said:

Good point. It's not good for a man to not have any control over his household. It's definitely not good for a man's wife to treat him like a little bitch.

728huey said:

TRICK QUESTION: Does anyone think Jon might reach his breaking point and do a Chris Brown/Ike Turner on Kate off-camera?!?

EmeraldSkies said:

what's the point in helping out if some harpie is just going to bitch at you for doing it wrong anyway?

I of think his reaction is essentially him finally standing up to his wife. If there weren't children involved I would have advised they split a long time ago. he is married to an emasculating shrew of a woman, and no one deserves the amount of verbal abuse he has endured on camera or off during the time of this marriage. I have sat and watched with my mouth wide open at the level of disrespect he had been shown up to this point. I was amazed that people actually speak to their significant others and life partners in this way. Most of the time when speaking to Jon, the tone of Kate's voice is that which is used to teach an unknowing toddler or to train a dog. Every other sentence out of her mouth, if it is not an order, comes in the guise of a reprimand, back handed compliment, or worse, an insult; tearing him down for grammar usage, snarkily remarking on his receding hairline and his weight gain. Who wants to live with that?

There are three instances out of many in this series that stand out to me as being particularly telling:

1. Kate remarking (on Maddy having an a meltdown tantrum for not wanting to participate in group activity) that if Maddy doesn't change her bad attitude, she's going to miss out on a lot and be alone in life....hmmmm, I wonder where the child picked up the behavior from to begin with...

2. On making the family a special Korean meal, Kate spent the entire day chastizing and insulting her husband and his efforts. She made fun of his food preparation, and didn't understand why he was aggravated when she butt in and messed up one of his crucial prep steps,then proceeded to insult him when he tried to correct it; it was a triple whammy for me in that not only did she not
show appreciation to the cook, she was rude for the entire process, , and completely disrespectful to his heritage by criticizing and insulting the method of food preparation for a traditional dish.

3.Much earlier on in the series, there was a shopping incident that stands out: she had been screaming at him in public while shopping, in full view of the cameras surrounding customers, and he essentially looked so defeated on the way out to the car, when she asked him what his issue was. He could only say "when you do that to me, it's embarrassing" while he loaded the packages looking downward to the ground. I knew from that moment that eventually this fella is only going to get kicked in the teeth so long until one day he wakes up and says You know what? This shit hurts. In all sincerity, I think that people may eventually end up being harder on him, because we are used to seeing emotional abuse against women, and are used to sympathizing with them instead.

While I hope that they can find whatever is the healthiest solution for their children, I think that in order to do that they need to work primarily on getting their own heads right first, and should that require separation to do so,then so be it.

EmeraldSkies said:

If he had been caring for the kids while she was away, then why would he not need a break? Particularly now that they're in the middle of firestorm of marital crisis, public scrutiny, and probably cannot even stand to look at each other?

As for her big boo hoo about party planning, give me a break. I know some of the guys that work with the production company handling this show and the woman is not suffering like that. The only thing you see her planning or buying for that party was a trip to the store to buy pinatas that she didn't even know how to open for the kids. When Jon tried to show them the string which helps open them she snatched it from him, pulled it herself and then threw the candy on the ground. Do you not recall her being at the set up on party day and asking the assistants "do we really need 2 cakes?" for a full class party and teacher? That would be because hello, she had little to do with the execution, it was done by the Production Coordinator and the P.A.s per her requests . Not to chastize her, because having worked in film production and once owning my own production company years ago, that sort of stuff is normal to help ease the production along and meet time and budget restraints. But in all sincerity, at the end of the day, if this woman wanted to plan the party on her own, there was zero need to drag the kids from pillar to post. She very well could of accomplished her tasks with the help of the internet, and everything could have been delivered to doorstep, and set-up by her house helpers with the assistance of the production crew within 24 hours.

And as for her husband waiting around for instructions, you and I must have been watching different shows, because the only think I saw over the seasons was a woman who constantly barked at her significant other and he could never get a word in edgewise without an insulting comeback.

Ottensen said:

I think that you've forgotten that she was at home with these kids 5 days a week the first 3 years of their lives and then she worked as a nurse on the week-ends. He was gone 5 days a week and with them the week-ends- so they hardly saw each other.

she was a master at organization and he didn't give a monkeys dookey squirt. she had to leave him notes and tell the twins to remind daddy of stuff. If she didnt take control life for those kids would have been disgusting dirty junk food eating hell.

do you see how beautiful those children are- Sure Jon wants healthy kids - but Kate is the one who has consistently stuck by GOOD MEal planning and activities to make this a realization.

You try doing this while dragging your - "I don't want to step up to the plate"- husband alone.

there have been many a episode where he was alone to execute his own activities and they ended up with gum in the hair, tummy aches and minor injuries.

yes I do think she has a lot of work to do with the way that she DEALS with his attitude. She probably never thought she would have to take the lead in such an enormous task- but that's a mother's job. most men however, pull rank - Jon is a wuss- I like him- but he's a wuss and he intentionally waits to be told what to do- I think it's on purpose..

Evvy said:

in the real world, that's called bringing home the bacon. it's nice to have two parents attending to the daily emotional needs of the children, but the fact is, if you're going to have a litter of children, someone's got to pay for them.

Evvy said:

I haven't forgotten anything.

I think it's ridiculous to criticize the husband for having to go to work to support his family five days a week. Why do we not criticize the mother as well for being gone for longer stretches at a time? The double standard I'm seeing here is interesting, to say the least. Additionally, I don't see it as anything damning on the father's behalf that his wife would leave him instructional notes for the children when he cares for them on weekends; moms do this all the time, it's an effective way to co-parent and introduce your other half tothe routine of the house.

For the record, Kate Gosselin started receiving free nanny help when the tups were in their second year from the company NANNY FOR HIRE, 3 days a week. , however, since rise in popularity for the show, they are now salaried employees and are publicly referred to by her as helpers .

Evvy said:

Kate travels most of the time now and Jon is the primary parent if he needed a day off than it's the least Kate could do.

Ottensen said:

when you criticise him for taking a day off when she clearly isn't suffering because of the help she gets makes me wonder if you are the one with the double standard.

Kate has been nothing but emotionally abusive to Jon since the first episode

I'm trying to understand why this show is interesting to anyone. EIGHT fucking kids, sounds like a nightmare

ehuffnsd said:

Ummmm, sd...go back and re-read my posts, please. I'm the one that said I understood why he would need a day off and asked why shouldn't he be allowed a break when he acts as primary caretaker...I also, er, um stated that I felt this dude is married to an emasculating shrew

Ottensen said:

that's what i get for posting late at night.

A long time ago, Kate needed an enigma and a chill pill. Jon needed to come to grips he ain't 25 anymore. They both needed to take regular trips to a nice hotel room alone and tear each other up, to hell with kids. Too little too late, and too many folks in their business now.
[Edited 5/30/09 10:55am]

ehuffnsd said:

sorry, i dont think either one of them get the day off on the kids birthday party day. i cant imagine having a party for 6 lil kids

both of my babies were born in january, their birthdays are 3 years and 9 days apart. i have always had their family party on the same day and then they get the weekend closest to their actual birthday to have a friend party. that seems hard enough, but oh my goodness, 6 kids??? there is no way either of them get that day off!!

nakedpianoplayer said:

he was at the party. he just didn't go shopping or help stuff the goodie bags. i don't remember my dad doing that when i was a kid

ehuffnsd said:

you know,in retrospect, i don't remember my dad doing that either


Now I'm starting to wonder about the roles in a marriage and how they've changed through the years compared to when we over 30's were growing up...

Ottensen said:

i'm not over 30! i still have a year and half left!

ehuffnsd said:

u didnt have 5 brothers and sisters your age either

Evvy said:

and Kate has full paid stuff plus production assistants.

i had never heard of them until the last couple weeks when all of the media starting covering the drama!

sad for their kids!

Ottensen said:

thats actually a good point. for the sake of the discussion, i will be 40 in a year and a half man thats old!

my father made the money when i was younger, my mother ran the house, took care of the kids, was in the pta at school and was a girlscout leader just to name a few things. while i certainly did not have 5 brothers and sisters all my same age, i did have 2 younger siblings and it would never have occured to my dad to step in and take over what was clearly something my mother was doing on her own...im not even sure she would have wanted his help, that was her thing she was doing and she always had visions of what we should have be it, birthdays, christmas, easter baskets, valentines morning surprises, or any other holiday tradition i remember. my father was always present at the party or occation, but other than supply the money and maybe talking over what his thoughts were on the gift ideas - i know that it was all my mother's doing.

something as simple as when i had my son 14 years ago. it would never have dawned on me to have someone help me change his diaper - in my mind it was so MY job, i never questioned it keep in mind though that i left jakes dad when i was pregnant after a 9 year relationship. but, still, other than the occational, 'oh, youre busy girl, i'll change him real quick for you' there was never anyone else in charge of that type of care for my son. the same is true with bri - while i lived with her dad until she was like 4 1/2 months old, he was there to bring in the money and i took care of the children and the house. he was fine with that and i knew nothing else, so i was never bothered one way or the other with it.

flash forward a few years and my brother and his wife have their first baby. i kid you not, when it was time to change the diapers it was a team effort from day one! i mean, sure, his wife had a c-section, so she probably needed the help in the beginning, but it took a long time for that to stop - like, a really long time i remember thinking to myself, why does it take 2 people to change a diaper??

can you believe it? my sister and her husband had a baby a few years later and they too were changing diapers together i used to just shake my head and wonder what the hell they were doing having diaper changing parties together...it literally made no sense to me at all, still doesnt lol...

when did it change? when did parents become so unified on their diaper changing procedures or bathing or dressing the kids or anything else for that matter? was i the crazy one, doing it by myself, or was there a real change in the way that parents took care of the babies??
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