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Reply #30 posted 05/22/09 6:42pm

Cinnie

Graycap23 said:

Beyond that, why would he do it?
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Reply #31 posted 05/22/09 6:45pm

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Cinnie said:


neutral Then why did they let him try it on?


A mystery I tell ya!


And I interpreted the suicide note as admitting guilt.

Magli's are expensive .

Oh really? Go 2 Nordstroms or the Beverly Center.
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Reply #32 posted 05/22/09 6:45pm

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Shoes are not DNA though! mad
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Reply #33 posted 05/22/09 6:50pm

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Cinnie said:

JustErin said:



Yes, leather does shrink.


I had real leather gloves and I wore them in rain and snow confuse


Have you seen him try on the glove? Maybe it didn't fit, but he put on this ridiculous show of not being able to fit it on his hand lol Of course, I would have done the same thing. There's not a chance in hell that glove woul fit my hand!
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Reply #34 posted 05/22/09 6:58pm

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Cinnie said:



I had real leather gloves and I wore them in rain and snow confuse


Have you seen him try on the glove? Maybe it didn't fit, but he put on this ridiculous show of not being able to fit it on his hand lol Of course, I would have done the same thing. There's not a chance in hell that glove woul fit my hand!



They had a show on NBC a few years back on how the prosecuters blew this case. They showed the video of him trying on the glove and you could see on a close up that he was sticking his thumb out so it wouldn't go on. Also the prosecuting attorney never brought up the whole Bronco chase and threatening suicide during the trial.
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Reply #35 posted 05/22/09 7:02pm

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NDRU said:



Have you seen him try on the glove? Maybe it didn't fit, but he put on this ridiculous show of not being able to fit it on his hand lol Of course, I would have done the same thing. There's not a chance in hell that glove woul fit my hand!



They had a show on NBC a few years back on how the prosecuters blew this case. They showed the video of him trying on the glove and you could see on a close up that he was sticking his thumb out so it wouldn't go on. Also the prosecuting attorney never brought up the whole Bronco chase and threatening suicide during the trial.


I still don't see how suicide infers guilt. He was just in hell for being suspect.
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Reply #36 posted 05/22/09 7:04pm

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Cinnie said:

weused2luvhim said:




They had a show on NBC a few years back on how the prosecuters blew this case. They showed the video of him trying on the glove and you could see on a close up that he was sticking his thumb out so it wouldn't go on. Also the prosecuting attorney never brought up the whole Bronco chase and threatening suicide during the trial.


I still don't see how suicide infers guilt. He was just in hell for being suspect.


I could go either way with that. Either he ran & threatened suicide because he was guilty OR because he felt there was no way a guy in his position could be acquitted in America.
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Reply #37 posted 05/22/09 7:04pm

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Facts:
U cannot COMMIT the murder and then go from the scene of the crime, 2 Oj's house, take a shower, go 2 the airport and board a plane in L.A. in an hour unless your name is Clark Kent.

Based on the crime scene alone, there was so much much blood and brute force that the time frame given 4 the killing in no way matches what was presented 2 the court.

There was strong evidence of a Columbian Necktie as the M.O. 4 the murder.

They NEVER called the male date that was with Nicole and her kids that night 2 the stand. Ever wonder why?

They did not present a single motive 4 OJ killing the woman. They had been divorced 4 years. What was the motive?

There was other hair samples in the cap that they found. Caucasian

Nicole and her friend (FR)owed a crap load of money 2 people who are not friendly 2 people whom owe them money. (alleged)

2 weeks after the crime scene O.J. blood show up on a fence that had been cleaned. That same blood had traces of DHT which was used 2 analyze his blood alleged 2 be found in his bronco. The same amount found on the fense was missing from the vile of his blood that they took from OJ as evidence.

The D.A. at the time had it in 4 any and all celebs.....and almost NEVER won a case against any of them.

The judge allowed testimony into the case that had NOTHING 2 do with the murder.

.....I could go on and on about the funny business in this case.

Did I mention the detectives? Mark Furman, that fool that lived with OJ, the LAPD, ....etc.
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Reply #38 posted 05/22/09 7:06pm

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Cinnie said:

weused2luvhim said:




They had a show on NBC a few years back on how the prosecuters blew this case. They showed the video of him trying on the glove and you could see on a close up that he was sticking his thumb out so it wouldn't go on. Also the prosecuting attorney never brought up the whole Bronco chase and threatening suicide during the trial.


I still don't see how suicide infers guilt. He was just in hell for being suspect.



The dude was running from the cops putting a gun to his head for 1 reason. He didn't like the fact that his ex was fucking this younger guy, he couldn't take and he killed them. He was in hell because he thought he was going to get the gas chamber.
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Reply #39 posted 05/22/09 7:06pm

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weused2luvhim said:

NDRU said:



Have you seen him try on the glove? Maybe it didn't fit, but he put on this ridiculous show of not being able to fit it on his hand lol Of course, I would have done the same thing. There's not a chance in hell that glove woul fit my hand!



They had a show on NBC a few years back on how the prosecuters blew this case. They showed the video of him trying on the glove and you could see on a close up that he was sticking his thumb out so it wouldn't go on. Also the prosecuting attorney never brought up the whole Bronco chase and threatening suicide during the trial.


The prosecution totally blew the case. They were as bad as the defense, for completely different reasons.

IN fact, I believe I hate everyone involved in the entire case, from the judge to the victims to the key players. The whole thing represents the worst of LA & Hollywood. The fact that it was a TV spectacle only magnified the sliminess of it all.
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Reply #40 posted 05/22/09 7:08pm

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It'll be awesome when the dude finally confesses on his death bed or something....but I bet some people will probably still call him innocent. lol
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Reply #41 posted 05/22/09 7:10pm

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JustErin said:

It'll be awesome when the dude finally confesses on his death bed or something....but I bet some people will probably still call him innocent. lol


There was one quote I read from him where he said that since the trial he has no trouble getting dates, saying "it must be the whole bad boy thing." lol Not a confession exactly, but strange nonetheless
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Reply #42 posted 05/22/09 7:12pm

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If OJ didn't do it, he knows who did. Plus there was a write up, though I cannot say its solid proof, that Ron Goldman was pushing dope for the underworld. Could they have killed him and Nicole and framed OJ? Possible.
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Reply #43 posted 05/22/09 7:18pm

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If OJ didn't do it, he knows who did. Plus there was a write up, though I cannot say its solid proof, that Ron Goldman was pushing dope for the underworld. Could they have killed him and Nicole and framed OJ? Possible.
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O.J had cuts on his hands, I guess they could have held him down and made wounds on his hands like those people get when they stab someone to death.
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Reply #44 posted 05/22/09 7:21pm

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Cinnie said:

MuthaFunka said:

And I interpreted the suicide note as admitting guilt.


To be fair, it could be interpreted any number of ways including guilt. nod



Shit, not at the airport? He had time to change his clothes before the flight too? Where did they find his shoes? Did they?

MuthaFunka said:

And the prosecution had no idea the glove wouldn't fit. Had they known THAT shit, they wouldn't have even tried that stunt.


Of course, but if they are leather, and JustErin knows that leather shrinks, I wonder why no one pointed out that him trying them on might be redundant irrelevant.

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They found the shoe print of those particular shoes at the crime scene. As for him changing clothes, the timeline isn't exactly etched in stone.
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Reply #45 posted 05/22/09 7:21pm

Cinnie

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Facts:
U cannot go from the scene of the crime, 2 Oj's house, take a shower, go 2 the airport and board a plane in L.A. in an hour unless your name is Clark Kent.


Or eating at Macdonald's with Kato and then hopping in a limo an hour later.

Especially when there was some sort of "torture" marks found on both victims. The killer had TIIIIIME.
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Reply #46 posted 05/22/09 7:22pm

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JustErin said:

MuthaFunka said:



And you probably stretched them back out as you wore them again, more frequently. OJ hadn't worn that glove in over a year, it just sat in evidence - to shrink and never be stretched back out again.


Exactly, you beat me to it.

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Reply #47 posted 05/22/09 7:22pm

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weused2luvhim said:

angel345 said:

If OJ didn't do it, he knows who did. Plus there was a write up, though I cannot say its solid proof, that Ron Goldman was pushing dope for the underworld. Could they have killed him and Nicole and framed OJ? Possible.
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O.J had cuts on his hands, I guess they could have held him down and made wounds on his hands like those people get when they stab someone to death.

But no cuts on the glove. However, if that's what they did, I wouldn't put it pass them.
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Reply #48 posted 05/22/09 7:23pm

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NDRU said:

JustErin said:

It'll be awesome when the dude finally confesses on his death bed or something....but I bet some people will probably still call him innocent. lol


There was one quote I read from him where he said that since the trial he has no trouble getting dates, saying "it must be the whole bad boy thing." lol Not a confession exactly, but strange nonetheless





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Reply #49 posted 05/22/09 7:24pm

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weused2luvhim said:

angel345 said:

If OJ didn't do it, he knows who did. Plus there was a write up, though I cannot say its solid proof, that Ron Goldman was pushing dope for the underworld. Could they have killed him and Nicole and framed OJ? Possible.
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O.J had cuts on his hands, I guess they could have held him down and made wounds on his hands like those people get when they stab someone to death.


I don't understand how that is proof.

I got a cut on my hand and am wearing Maglis right now.
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Reply #50 posted 05/22/09 7:24pm

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angel345 said:

weused2luvhim said:


O.J had cuts on his hands, I guess they could have held him down and made wounds on his hands like those people get when they stab someone to death.

But no cuts on the glove.


a-ha!
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Reply #51 posted 05/22/09 7:26pm

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Cinnie said:

weused2luvhim said:


O.J had cuts on his hands, I guess they could have held him down and made wounds on his hands like those people get when they stab someone to death.


I don't understand how that is proof.

I got a cut on my hand and am wearing Maglis right now.



1 thing is not proof. My God, don't tell me you one those who really believes he didn't do it.
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Reply #52 posted 05/22/09 7:30pm

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Cinnie, I was never into the case enough to come to a hard-and-fast conclusion of where I stand. But a private investigator named William Dear, who at one time was convinced of O.J.'s guilt, wrote a book called O.J. is Guilty, but Not of Murder where he comes to the conclusion the culprit was quite possibly O.J.'s son Jason. O.J., he says, knew, but took the heat for him.

His theory might explain everything from the shoe footprint ... to the matching blood evidence ... to the glove not quite fitting ... to the unreconcilable timeline ... to that odd fist fight no one talks about that Jason and O.J. had at the end of O.J.'s "running away" in the Bronco. Jason also allegedly had a pretty widely known history of violence, which police never talked about. And notice that while everyone else around the trial, including O.J.'s daughter Arnell, capitalized on their fleeting notoriety for a bit, no one has seen hide nor hair of Jason since.
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I haven't peeped the book, but from you've presented, I can't support that theory. Why would Jason be wearing Bruno Maglis? Why would he be THAT pissed at someone he's not tomantically linked to? That was a crime of passion not of "just vilent behavior". As for that spat with his pops after the chase - there was A LOT of emotions going on at that particular time, so him getting into it with his pops isn't strange at all. As for those that cashed in on their fame - the only 2 people that tried to cash in were Furhman and Cato. Everyone else had their 15 minutes but that was because of the magnitude of the case.
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Reply #53 posted 05/22/09 7:32pm

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MuthaFunka said:

OJ did it.
Cowlings helped.

OJ did it and the proof is these 3 reasons:

- OJ's "suicide confession" note
- OJ runs in Bronco
- The footprint of Bruno Magli shoes at the crime scene and OJ being photographed in some Bruno Maglis.

OJ got acquitted for 3 reasons:

1 - The glove didn't fit
2 - Racist Furman's association with the case
3 - Van Atter took OJ's blood sample home instead of checking it in as evidence

Once all 3 of those came into play, it was a done deal for OJ's acquittal.

O.J. was proven not guity 4 the reasons stated above. No way he did this with the evidence presented iin the case. Beyond that, why would he do it?


Naw, the evidence was pretty overwhelming, but all JC & Co. had to do was to present reasonable doubt. And people snap. We ask that same question of a lot of people who just "suddenly kill". Why did the Craigslist dude kill?
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Reply #54 posted 05/22/09 7:33pm

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O.J. was proven not guity 4 the reasons stated above. No way he did this with the evidence presented iin the case. Beyond that, why would he do it?


Naw, the evidence was pretty overwhelming, but all JC & Co. had to do was to present reasonable doubt. And people snap. We ask that same question of a lot of people who just "suddenly kill". Why did the Craigslist dude kill?

See reply #37.
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Reply #55 posted 05/22/09 7:34pm

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NDRU said:

MuthaFunka said:

OJ did it.
Cowlings helped.

OJ did it and the proof is these 3 reasons:

- OJ's "suicide confession" note
- OJ runs in Bronco
- The footprint of Bruno Magli shoes at the crime scene and OJ being photographed in some Bruno Maglis.

OJ got acquitted for 3 reasons:

1 - The glove didn't fit
2 - Racist Furman's association with the case
3 - Van Atter took OJ's blood sample home instead of checking it in as evidence

Once all 3 of those came into play, it was a done deal for OJ's acquittal.


I believe he also was acquitted because the jury was made up of people who did not have faith that police & the system are above planting evidence, conspiring to bring black heroes down, etc. And those reasons (racist cops, bad fitting gloves) that you mention just confirmed this feeling for them. That was the source of "reasonable doubt."

It took me a long time to understand that, but whether I believe he did it or not, I understand now that the system did not instill trust in the jury and it was enough to let him off.

So even though I think he did it, the system made its own bed and had to lie in it. It was probably a good thing, sort of like an earthquake is a terrible but necessary thing.


That's ALL Cochran and crew had to do - present reasonable doubt - and they did it successfully. Hell, even Kardashian was shocked at the acquittal! lol
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Reply #56 posted 05/22/09 7:34pm

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And I interpreted the suicide note as admitting guilt.

Magli's are expensive .

Oh really? Go 2 Nordstroms or the Beverly Center.


Back then, they were.
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Reply #57 posted 05/22/09 7:35pm

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Oh really? Go 2 Nordstroms or the Beverly Center.


Back then, they were.

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Reply #58 posted 05/22/09 7:35pm

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Cinnie said:



I had real leather gloves and I wore them in rain and snow confuse


Have you seen him try on the glove? Maybe it didn't fit, but he put on this ridiculous show of not being able to fit it on his hand lol Of course, I would have done the same thing. There's not a chance in hell that glove woul fit my hand!


Exactly. OJ put a LOT of extras on it when he was trying on that glove lol.
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Reply #59 posted 05/22/09 7:40pm

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I believe he also was acquitted because the jury was made up of people who did not have faith that police & the system are above planting evidence, conspiring to bring black heroes down, etc. And those reasons (racist cops, bad fitting gloves) that you mention just confirmed this feeling for them. That was the source of "reasonable doubt."

It took me a long time to understand that, but whether I believe he did it or not, I understand now that the system did not instill trust in the jury and it was enough to let him off.

So even though I think he did it, the system made its own bed and had to lie in it. It was probably a good thing, sort of like an earthquake is a terrible but necessary thing.


That's ALL Cochran and crew had to do - present reasonable doubt - and they did it successfully. Hell, even Kardashian was shocked at the acquittal! lol


I totally agree. It doesn't really matter if I believe OJ did it (and I was definitely shocked at the decision), the more important thing to me in retrospect was that those jurors had a lot of doubt and Cochran was well aware of it. It shone a spotlight on that particular issue.

Keep in mind that this was only a couple years after Rodney King. People in LA had no faith in cops--and for very good reason!

What I learned is that I had to accept the possibility that he did not do it because despite DNA evidence, there is another type of evidence, like corruption in the system, misplaced faith in science, jumping to conclusions, racism, and on and on, if that makes sense
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