Mary Kay Letourneau's Naughty Teacher Feature
Posted May 21st 2009 6:20PM by TMZ Staff

Mary Kay Letourneau -- the teacher who spent seven years in jail after having two kids with her 13-year-old student -- is the appropriate host of a Seattle Bar's "Hot for Teacher" night... but don't expect her to be the one checking ID's at the door.



As an added bonus, Vili Fualaau -- the kid Letourneau was convicted of raping and later married -- will be spinning records at Fuel Sports Eats & Beats under the name DJ Headline.

We're told it was all Vili's idea -- the whole "Hot for Teacher" part -- and that Mary Kay will be roaming the party signing autographs and meeting guests.

Be sure to leave the kids at home -- it's a 21 and over event.
[Edited 5/22/09 8:14am]

I heard about this on the news this morning. I can't believe she's parading around and doing this...it's just not right. Live your weird life with your child, I mean husband, in private. She doesn't need to rub this in people's faces.

Huh?


wait, I need a second to digest this and come back to it....

You know, this same shit happens all the time with male teachers and their female students. How come none of them are infamous and get fingers wagged at them years after the fact?


I'm not saying I condone this, but let's get serious. Double standards are stupid no matter how you slice it.

The guy i s not 13 anymore. Who cares?

Let them do what they want, doesn't mean you're being forced to participate.

JustErin said:

This Vili guy is an adult now. Say what you want about the appropriateness of what went on when he was a minor, but he's an adult now and chose to marry her and be a father to their children.

To me, this is an example of a case where age of consent laws, at least when they involve teenagers, are perhaps inadequate. According to his own point of view, he was never abused or exploited in any way. The bigger concern to me would be her abuse of authority as his teacher.

meow85 said:

That's the only concern, imo.

JustErin said:

In this case, for sure.

meow85 said:

Are you serious? ...The reason anyone is "wagging their fingers" at this woman is NOT simply because she had sex with her 14 year old student (which is bad enough by itself)...it's because she went on to marry the student, get pregnant by him, and is now hosting a party themed on teacher-student lust lol...if she had simply been caught, did her time and went about her life probably nobody would remember who she was.

If anything, men are NEVER celebrated for having sex with 13 and 14 year old girls...however, women who do the same thing will usually end up getting a "lucky kid" comment (depending on her looks), or "I wish they had teachers like that when I was in school"...There's no way in hell there's a double standard in place that works against female teachers who have sex with young students.

Byron said:

Couldn't have said it better myself.

Cinnie said:

Imagine what would happen if R. Kelly had married that girl and was opening a club called The Wiz.

Byron said:

There's double standards for and against, IMO. The female teachers in cases like this become household names and made examples of, even years after the fact. The boys in these cases get congratulated. Either way, switch the genders and neither of those would be true.


Male teacher marrying their formerly underage female students happens all the time. When's the last time one of those made the news?
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johnart said:

Actually, Ms Dion's a great example of society's hypocrisy on the subject, especially when measured against Ms. Letourneau.

She was managed by some nasty old fart from the time she was 14, and as soon as it was legally allowable, they married. And Catholic or not, you KNOW some kinda shit was going on before the wedding night with those two.

And yet, people don't make nearly as big of a deal out Celine's much older manager (position of authority, natch!) marrying her after underaged shenanigans as they do in cases like Mary Kay and Vili.
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meow85 said:

When's the last time a male teacher had sex with a student when she was 14, ended up in jail afterwards, and then ended up marrying once he got out? AND got her pregnant to boot?...Just marrying a former student is nowhere near the same thing.

And the main reason female teachers become household names is because society is surprised when an adult female is the predator in underage sex cases...men are, rightly or wrongly, expected to be perverts lol...so when a man actually does something perverted, it's not as shocking or seen as newsworthy so they don't get as much press. It's FAR more than merely one being male and one being female.
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Byron said:

Happens quite frequently, actually. It's just not newsworthy because, like you said, men are expected to be pervs.

meow85 said:

Huh?...She got married when she was 26 years old lol...that's hardly "as soon as it was legally allowable".



Maybe, maybe not...but we do not know either way. With Letourneau, we DO know...and we SHOULD criticize the act as well as the decision to cash in ON the act and host theme parties based on the act. Trust me, if we found out that Celine and her manager were having sex when she was 13, you'd hear twice as many condemnations as we're hearing about this teacher. His gender would not matter one iota.

And again, it's not simply that she married a former student 3 years after he graduated high school...you know that lol ...




You can't possibly be wanting to compare the two in order to make your case...I think people tend to make more of a big deal over things that we KNOW beyond doubt to be true over things we can only speculate about. Plus, most people got to "know" Celine for years before she married her manager (as well as you can know a celebrity, anyway)...and as such, probably felt that she was well-grounded and had herself together and was level-headed enough to assume she understood what she was doing. Contrast that to this kid who NOBODY knows anything about and so most people can't tell themselves "Well, he seems mature for his age and very level-headed"...people can't use their knowledge of him to help them form an opinion on the matter like they can with Celine Dion. Again, it's FAR, FAR more than merely gender stereotypes at play here.

You would have been better off comparing Woody Allen lol

meow85 said:

Give me some names lol ...

Byron said:[quote]

meow85 said:

Johnart posted a pic of Celine. I think it's a perfectly relevent comparison, and no, I don't believe we'd be hearing the same level of condemnation if it were known as fact that she was, as a teen, sleeping with her manager.

As for Woody Allen? His grossness isn't treated as much more than a joke. People still flock to his movies.

How about R Kelly? The freak is more popular now than he was before he was accused of pissing on a little girl.

Byron said:

Hard to give names of specific examples when the media doesn't make a big deal over it.

The Letourneau situation happens with the genders reversed all the damn time. My point is, we don't hear about those cases.

meow85 said:

Just because Johnart posted a pic of Celine doesn't mean we should consider them as worthy of comparison.

I think we'd hear MORE criticism because there are millions of people and fans who have a lot of time, money and emotions in Celine Dion...and hearing that she was having sex at 13 with her manager would upset a ton of those same people. The kid that this teacher had sex with doesn't have that type of emotion built in with millions of people all around the world.

You really want this to be simply about male vs female, at the exclusion of almost everything else. Sorry, but I don't see these other aspects and issues as being irrelevant.



"Flock"? Um, no. He hasn't had a movie that people flocked to and make a hit in well over 15 years. And at the time, Allen was HIGHLY criticized for his relationship...don't fool yourself there.

And if Woody Allen made a film about a man who had sex with his girlfriend's underage adopted daughter and then married her right after she turned 18, you'd hear a shitstorm. Again, if this teacher and this kid was not trying to cash in on her exploits her name wouldn't keep coming up in the news, other than her being a generic poster "girl" for illicit and illegal underaage teacher-student sex.



"Popularity" isn't the issue, because this teacher is more "popular" now than she was before it all went down as well...it's whether or not there is the same level of criticism if it's a man or a woman. And don't EVEN try to pretend R. Kelly didn't get a shitstorm of criticism over his sex with the underage girl lol...Please. He STILL gets "fingers wagged" at him and about him, jokes made about him.

I will say this, though...R. Kelly was not a person of authority over the girl he had sex with, like a teacher is (or an "virtually" adoptive father like Woody Allen). People most likely treated the R. Kelly as disgusting but a product of underage girls being starstruck and celebrities letting their status and feeling of invincibility distort their decision making. Like it or not, there's more of a "creepiness" attached to adults who end up having sex with children that are supposed to be in their care.

meow85 said:

But if it happens "all the time" then surely at least one name or case should have stuck out in your mind. How else would you know it happens all the time?



Again, if we don't hear about those cases, how do you know it happens all the damn time? lol ...I'm not saying it doesn't ( or that it might not happen ), I'm just saying for it happen as regularly as you keep claiming, then finding at least one example should be a piece of cake, shouldn't it? It would hardly matter if the media mentioned it once or mentioned it 50 times...it would have been mentioned.

I'll help you out:

Brenton Wuchae married a student when she was 16 (!!)...Shitstorm hit afterwards, both towards him and towards her parents (they allowed her to marry him because they said they "had no choice" lol )

You don't hear anything else about them now because they aren't doing anything else to warrant any articles about them...not simply because he's male an thus nobody cares.

I'll give another example of adult male/underage female sex: Roman Polanski.

He ended up having to leave the country to avoid jail time and is still considered a fugitive by the U.S. (I think, anyway)...and was more or less blackballed by Hollywood for decades. Yes, he still made movies that got released here in the U.S. but you'd be hardpressed to find a review of those movies that didn't bother mentioning his underage sex incident.

Took him over 20 years to regain full acceptance by his peers and the media. For decades his name was associated with having sex with a 13 year old girl as much as (if not more than) his films. And he didn't do anything afterwards to celebrate or cash in on his act of having sex with a minor like Letourneau is set to do.

But I will agree that, if there's a stereotype going that is against females in cases like this, it's that society sees females as having natural maternal instincts towards children...and just the opposite when it comes to men. So when a woman appears to go against that maternal. protective instinct that we by and large assign to women, it gets played up and seen in a more nagative light. Afterall, male cats are known to kill the kittens after they're born lol...so maybe we humans tend to not be as shocked when men do something disgusting towards youngsters. And let's face it, the media is driven by "shock" stories, unfortunately.

meow85 said:

There is a clear and marked difference here that I think rattles people a bit: Marky Kay slept with a 12 year old.

My ex worked with Celine as a songwriter and knows the Anegelils well. They did not have a romantic relationship until she was a legal adult. Additionally she has documented in her autobiography and been very open publicly that she never felt a thing for Renee Angelil nor vice versa until she was 18 years old and she fell hard for him and did everything she could to get his attention (I believe the line in her book went some thing to the effect " I was in love, I wanted to play the part of the supermodel to catch his heart"-insert Celine's accent for further amusement, or gag reflex--- your choice) By the way, they began their professional relationship when she was 12, and she was closely guarded by her mother everywhere she went as she was very cautious about leaving her kid in the care of an old geezer.

Just sayin'.

meow85 said:

Ottensen said:

I believe that about as much as I believe Elvis never touched Priscilla before their wedding night.

I will admit, I can't name any older male/younger female situations off the top of my head, but the reason I can't isn't because it doesn't happen, it's because the names and personal profiles don't get drilled into our heads in the same way as it does with cases where it's an adult woman and a younger boy.

WHY is someone like Letourneau a household name?

meow85 said:

Why wouldn't she be?
Did she walk away from what went down to lead a quiet life?

Not to mention hosting a club night called "Hot for Teacher" is not something I'd expect from someone who does not enjoy the limelight or her notoriety.

I posted that pic of Celine as a joke.
We speculate there might have been something going on before Celine was legal, but it's just that.
I wouldn't compare the cases (especially since Celine's isn't even a "case") in any serious manner.

I honestly don't think that if Celine's Grandhusband had been convicted of sexual abuse and then married her when she was legal people would look kindly upon him.

meow85 said: