Vendetta1 said:

I think it would be wiser to pursue other more worthwhile things

ocean said:

I wanna go!! lol

Vendetta1 said:

I knew you would lol

Byron said:

U should ...u would love it!!!! So would ur camera lol

ocean said:

My camera's going without me lol

Byron said:

Byron said:

Yes, in terms of research, technology, talent and qualification we are the best. In terms of accessibility...everyone has access but like any other business you have to be able to pay.*


*one way to lower the cost would be to create a healthcare system that is based on consumer satisfaction rather than amount of services performed.

ZombieKitten said:

I don't want equal service. I want the best service.

greenpixies said:

If you had no job and needed a breast reduction - how would you go about it?

ZombieKitten said:

Explain to me how a breast reduction would be a need under the context of being financially strapped?

greenpixies said:

um, because it costs a shitload of money?

ZombieKitten said:

Explain to me how it would be a need under the context of being financially strapped.

greenpixies said:

you mean like any medical condition that you couldn't afford treatment for because your healthcare system won't pay for it?

Vendetta1 said:

ZombieKitten said:

I just wonder how a breast reduction is a life or death situation that needs to be resolved when one is strapped for cash. If I was strapped for cash I would probably postpone a breast reduction for a time when I'm a little more up on cash. In fact I've been waiting on Lasik because it is a luxury service that I don't want to spend money on right now even though it would be convenient to not have intense dry eye all the time and halos from reflective light. I think people need to own up to what they can afford and be a bit more discerning.

ZombieKitten said:

I'm saying that a lot of folks in USA won't get treatment for things considered non-essentials, because they would have to bear the full crippling cost of it - thousands of dollars - if they have no insurance. They simply have to suffer - too bad.

Where I come from, if you need the procedure (and you will be assessed for eligibility) you can get it done - either for free or minimal out of pocket expenses. Those with money to spend can choose surgeons or do away with waiting periods, but at the end of the day - all citizens have access to care they need.

greenpixies said:

how about a uterus covered in cysts? or schizophrenia? or melanoma or diabetes or severe depression? if you were in my boat, a full-time student who must pay for all health costs out of pocket because I don't qualify for state-funded insurance because of pre-existing conditions, would you feel the same way?
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greenpixies said:

greenpixies said:

I'm sorry it has to be that way for you. You have an alternative though, you can wear glasses or contacts. Someone who has constant back and shoulder pain and self esteem issues from excessively sized breasts don't have a lot of options - physio maybe? pain killers?
I'm taking this as a good example of a non-essential procedure. Being cash-strapped is for some people a long term problem.

INSATIABLE said:

ZombieKitten said:

I would beg to differ that not getting a breast reduction is authentic suffering or that bearing the burden of cost is authentic suffering (especially given that they didn't have to have the procedure but rather chose it).

Can you tell me why, where you come from, a fellow taxpayer should have to pay for your breast reduction? Can you tell me why people who are already paying for the public healthcare system should have to also pay for their private healthcare wants to avoid waiting in lines?

ZombieKitten said:

I'm not sorry it has to be that way for me. Lasik is completely superficial. As is a breast reduction.

greenpixies said:

Yes where I come from and where I live, this is how it is!

authentic suffering? yes! women actually have the option to live pain free. We are not talking about life or death perhaps, but quality of life

INSATIABLE said:

If I were you, inferring that you have all those conditions, I would feel the same way and I would reach out to my church.

ZombieKitten said:

Pain free!!! Wow, Australia is utopia!

I have a hard time believing you never have pain, even with your government healthcare system.

greenpixies said:

actually even in this country you have to pay for Lasik yourself, it is "purely cosmetic", and reasons for requiring (and being assessed eligible for) a breast reduction usually aren't.

greenpixies said:

nah, I've only got the fucked up uterus. And liver problems which cause me to go in every few months and rake up a few grand in procedures. I pay out of pocket. I also pay 200/month on prescriptions.

It shouldn't be like this. My 95-year-old grandmother shouldn't be living hand-to-mouth, either. Have a heart, girl.

greenpixies said:

if it can be fixed, we can go ahead and do it

greenpixies said:

wow! and all these churches have so much money???

INSATIABLE said:

no, it's apalling