Precisely.
If the man wishes to continue supporting the child then fine. If he chooses not to then his decision is position is entirely justified. StillGotIt said: A man has been paying the price for 10 years for an act he did not commit (and in this case it is conceiving a child) and everyone feels that since he did that much time, he should put in more time?
If he wants out financially, why shouldn't he be able to get out? The tramp who entrapped him gets to sit and watch him squirm after he finds out the truth (and believe me...she KNEW damn well what she did.....). How is it healthy for the child to have a stranger who could likely end up resenting him pay? | |
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anyone with half a brain could see this man has been shit on... the decision as to if he wants to provide support is his choice... not his responsibility | |
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THIS THREAD REINFORCES MY BELIEF THAT SOME FOLKS JUST AREN'T CUT OUT FOR PARENTING. | |
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paintedlady said: ThreadBare said: That's how I see it. He sounds like he loves the boy but that he knows how finite his finances are and is bound to care for his actual family. So often men get run down as being irresponsible. I think it's actually funny he's making a decision to put the needs of his family first and he's being ripped for feeling that way. It's a shame he was duped into taking care of a son that wasn't his. I hope, especially once he's back on his feet, he'll be able to choose to resume lending a hand to the boy. And, I hope, he'll choose to remain a part of his life, whatever his financial picture. Would he want to stay in the boys life if it causes such a financial strain to his own children that it causes resentment? That mom should back off. Its wrong. Sue the biological dad for NOT being there, take his money, he needs to be held responsible. Big question there, Painted. There's the issue of peace in his home that deals with all kinds of factors -- money, relationships, loyalty, a lack of wisdom that may have contributed to his being duped. To that last point, imagine if it was his wife's lobbying him to get a paternity test that led to the discovery of the "mistake." Peace could be even harder to come by, if he insists on still being involved in the boy's life, especially financially. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: THIS THREAD REINFORCES MY BELIEF THAT SOME FOLKS JUST AREN'T CUT OUT FOR PARENTING.
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ThreadBare said: paintedlady said: Would he want to stay in the boys life if it causes such a financial strain to his own children that it causes resentment? That mom should back off. Its wrong. Sue the biological dad for NOT being there, take his money, he needs to be held responsible. Big question there, Painted. There's the issue of peace in his home that deals with all kinds of factors -- money, relationships, loyalty, a lack of wisdom that may have contributed to his being duped. To that last point, imagine if it was his wife's lobbying him to get a paternity test that led to the discovery of the "mistake." Peace could be even harder to come by, if he insists on still being involved in the boy's life, especially financially. IMO this is coming right back to adult selfishness and petty drama. It seems to me that a whole lot of adults, aren't. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Why does that have to be what he says? You mother fucked your world because she lied to me instead of telling me I am not your father. Blame her for your misery But again, this is just adults forcing the ill effects of their drama and bullshit and pettiness onto the kid. However that child got here, whoever the father is -it doesn't matter. A REAL adult would sort out what's best for the child and put their best interests first, not bitch and moan and gripe about who cheated who and push the kid back and forth like a bargaining chip or a weapon. God, I hate grownups. I really, really do. I'm only trying to fulfill his fantasies The bottom line is that the best interest of the child is only one eqution. The man is FUCKED and the woman gets away with it. The child is a pawn for a criminal act on a man. It doesn't make me happy and I fully understand men striking out against it even in the worst interest of the child. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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meow85 said: StillGotIt said: A man has been paying the price for 10 years for an act he did not commit (and in this case it is conceiving a child) and everyone feels that since he did that much time, he should put in more time?
If he wants out financially, why shouldn't he be able to get out? The tramp who entrapped him gets to sit and watch him squirm after he finds out the truth (and believe me...she KNEW damn well what she did.....). How is it healthy for the child to have a stranger who could likely end up resenting him pay? Paying the price? You act as if caring for another human being is a punishment. Oh, the poor bastard. How dare anyone ask him to think of someone else. A stranger? Hardly. If he was raising this kid for 10 years already, he's no stranger. And IMHO only a selfish fuck would think there something wrong with continuing that. Obviously, walking out on the kid is a much better idea to some of you people. Oh...so now I'm a "selfish fuck" because I dont agree with you. How many "humans" have you raised? It figures...your post is nothing but something spoken like a kid with no life experience who does nothing but sell shit over the counter. [Snip - luv4u] Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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Let's just say that I'm not surprised by some of the responses here by the very people I suspected would answer in that way. He had assumed the responsibility for this child for a very long time. The money is for the child, you [Name calling snip - luv4u] | |
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StillGotIt said: meow85 said: Paying the price? You act as if caring for another human being is a punishment. Oh, the poor bastard. How dare anyone ask him to think of someone else. A stranger? Hardly. If he was raising this kid for 10 years already, he's no stranger. And IMHO only a selfish fuck would think there something wrong with continuing that. Obviously, walking out on the kid is a much better idea to some of you people. Oh...so now I'm a "selfish fuck" because I dont agree with you. How many "humans" have you raised? It figures...your post is nothing but something spoken like a kid with no life experience who does nothing but sell shit over the counter. [Snip - luv4u] | |
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meow85 said: ThreadBare said: Big question there, Painted. There's the issue of peace in his home that deals with all kinds of factors -- money, relationships, loyalty, a lack of wisdom that may have contributed to his being duped. To that last point, imagine if it was his wife's lobbying him to get a paternity test that led to the discovery of the "mistake." Peace could be even harder to come by, if he insists on still being involved in the boy's life, especially financially. IMO this is coming right back to adult selfishness and petty drama. It seems to me that a whole lot of adults, aren't. I would agree there. | |
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JustErin said: coolcat said: I don't see why that makes him responsible for child support. It shouldn't make him responsible, but as someone that has provided for and admittedly loved this child, he should feel obligated to continue supporting. I am disgusted by people who can just turn their back on a child they were once caring for, especially one they claim they love. His own words were, why should he continue to "pay" for this kid, not "provide" for it. He cares more about money and his bitterness than providing for a child he has a relationship with and "loves". I agree with this. From a legal standpoint it seems wrong, but that shouldn't actually matter. From a moral standpoint it's hard to take that he would want to fight this. | |
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usedtobebliss said: anyone with half a brain could see this man has been shit on... the decision as to if he wants to provide support is his choice... not his responsibility
Yes. I think legally he shouldn't have his hands tied like this, though you'd like to think he would choose to continue to support the child. | |
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usedtobebliss said: anyone with half a brain could see this man has been shit on... the decision as to if he wants to provide support is his choice... not his responsibility
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Graycap23 said: Is this FAIR?
Not The Father? You Still Owe Child Support, Says Georgia Law Posted: 3:10 pm EDT May 13, 2009 Updated: 6:13 pm EDT May 13, 2009 ATLANTA -- Larry Durden, an unemployed mason worker, told Channel 2 Action News reporter Tom Regan that he is being threatened with jail time if he doesn’t continue paying child support for a child he says is not his biological son. Durden, who says he is the victim of paternity fraud --- the act of falsely naming a man as the biological father of a child, said he assumed the boy was his son for 10 1/2 years. "I mean, he looked like me. I thought he looked like me," said Durden. But a few months ago, Durden said he started having doubts, and contacted a DNA testing lab. He took a paternity test and the results took him by surprise. "It said "0"… he's not mine. So you know, that hurt … it grabbed me," said Durden. Despite genetic evidence that Durden didn't father the boy, the state is forcing him to continue paying $500 a month in child support. And he's far from alone. One of every three men who take a paternity test discovers a child they believed was theirs is not. "They say 25 to 30 percent of all men who get tested find out that they're not the father," said family lawyer Randy Kessler. "That's a high number. Married, non-married, divorced ... that's going on a lot." The state of Georgia can go after the men for child support and if they don't pay, the state can garnish their wages, revoke their driver's licenses and even put them behind bars. "When you find out he's not your kid, it hurts because you still love him. But you don't want to pay child support for a kid that ain't yours when you got a family of your own to take care of," said Durden. Kessler told Regan that he often deals with men who spend years raising a child under the false belief that it's their own. "If a woman is having an affair, the last thing she wants to do as the child is being born is say, 'Uh, by the way, that baby you're holding in your arms may not be yours,'" said Kessler. Kessler represented Carnell Smith, who became one of the leaders in the war on paternity fraud. Smith's battle began with a call from an ex-girlfriend who said he was the father of her baby girl. "I believed the child was mine, she said the child was mine, and it took me 11 years to find out that was absolutely not the truth," said. Smith challenged the child support decree, and personally took the case all the way to U.S. Supreme Court. The high court refused to hear it, but his well-publicized crusade led Georgia to reshape its paternity law. Ex-husbands and out-of-wedlock fathers can petition to end child support through DNA evidence. But there's a catch. "If you don't file it exactly as it is written, you don't avail yourself to the relief." "The law makes it a little easier to quote "get off the hook" for the obligation, but you still have to do it right," said Kessler. One of the rules requires anyone fighting child support to file a challenge within three months of finding out they are not the biological father. Missing that deadline could hurt their case. "If you don't do it within 90 days, the court is still allowed to give you relief. It is permissive relief, but it's a case-by-case decision and it's up to the judge." A judge will hear Durden’s case in June. He hopes to get more sympathy in court than what he's received from the county authorities. They threatened to throw him in jail if he doesn't pay them more than $1,000 in back child support -- for a child that isn't his own. "I'm falling behind on my bills because I got to pay for a kid that's not even mine. It's crazy." The state is to lazy to track down the real biological father | |
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kpowers said: The state is to lazy to track down the real biological father
"Too lazy?" I'm guessing, with budgets being as they are, most state governments are wholly ill-staffed to even think about looking for babies' fathers... And, I'm not entirely sure that should be the role of government anyway. Think we're better off encouraging our friends to be more responsible adults. Personal responsibility, to me, is 100% of the equation here -- not expecting government to solve a problem. | |
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ThreadBare said: kpowers said: The state is to lazy to track down the real biological father
"Too lazy?" I'm guessing, with budgets being as they are, most state governments are wholly ill-staffed to even think about looking for babies' fathers... And, I'm not entirely sure that should be the role of government anyway. Think we're better off encouraging our friends to be more responsible adults. Personal responsibility, to me, is 100% of the equation here -- not expecting government to solve a problem. [Snip - luv4u] | |
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kpowers said: ThreadBare said: "Too lazy?" I'm guessing, with budgets being as they are, most state governments are wholly ill-staffed to even think about looking for babies' fathers... And, I'm not entirely sure that should be the role of government anyway. Think we're better off encouraging our friends to be more responsible adults. Personal responsibility, to me, is 100% of the equation here -- not expecting government to solve a problem. [Snip - luv4u] :explain to me why the government should initiate a search for the father. | |
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ThreadBare said: kpowers said:
[Snip - luv4u] :explain to me why the government should initiate a search for the father. Your right, it's so much easier on the State to force the non-biological father to pay. | |
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kpowers said: ThreadBare said: :explain to me why the government should initiate a search for the father. Your right, it's so much easier on the State to force the non-biological father to pay. It's not the state's job to find the biological father. If you read earlier pages of this thread, you'll find I'm on the side of the non-biological father not being forced to pay. I just see a difference between giving a governmental body the right to track down someone's sexual partners to determine paternity, and a government body making the right, reasonable decision in Mr. Darden's case. | |
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ThreadBare said: kpowers said: Your right, it's so much easier on the State to force the non-biological father to pay. It's not the state's job to find the biological father. If you read earlier pages of this thread, you'll find I'm on the side of the non-biological father not being forced to pay. I just see a difference between giving a governmental body the right to track down someone's sexual partners to determine paternity, and a government body making the right, reasonable decision in Mr. Darden's case. Yeah but it's the states job now to force the non-biological father to pay | |
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kpowers said: ThreadBare said: It's not the state's job to find the biological father. If you read earlier pages of this thread, you'll find I'm on the side of the non-biological father not being forced to pay. I just see a difference between giving a governmental body the right to track down someone's sexual partners to determine paternity, and a government body making the right, reasonable decision in Mr. Darden's case. Yeah but it's the states job now to force the non-biological father (NBF) to pay Clearly there's been a screw-up. It likely will take money the NBF doesn't have to get it corrected. Or publicity and public opinion adding pressure to get the wrong corrected. Again, personal responsibility on the part of the NBF would have entailed him getting a paternity test 10+ years ago. | |
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usedtobebliss said: anyone with half a brain could see this man has been shit on... the decision as to if he wants to provide support is his choice... not his responsibility
Abso-fuckin-lutely! | |
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StillGotIt said: meow85 said: Paying the price? You act as if caring for another human being is a punishment. Oh, the poor bastard. How dare anyone ask him to think of someone else. A stranger? Hardly. If he was raising this kid for 10 years already, he's no stranger. And IMHO only a selfish fuck would think there something wrong with continuing that. Obviously, walking out on the kid is a much better idea to some of you people. Oh...so now I'm a "selfish fuck" because I dont agree with you. How many "humans" have you raised? It figures...your post is nothing but something spoken like a kid with no life experience who does nothing but sell shit over the counter. [Snip - luv4u] | |
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The mothers character is certain.
The child? The child! Guilt by association. Suffers the misdeeds of the parent. Does the child deserve such disregard? A pawn in a destructive game. To be cast off as fodder of an adult novella..... people taking sides, casting dispersions based on personal thoughts not devulged. :the variation or scattering of data around some average or central value The Child? Well look whom I found dipping their toe in the murky waters! :eyeroll: At least offer me a damn cup of coffee! | |
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StillGotIt said:[quote] GetAwayFromMe said: Let's just say that I'm not surprised by some of the responses here by the very people I suspected would answer in that way. He had assumed the responsibility for this child for a very long time. The money is for the child, you fuckin' fools. :[b][Name calling snip - luv4u]
So everyone who has taken another stance is a fool...your own folly is astounding.....the money is for the child. and it should come from his father. Nobody is saying the child should not be supported. I was saying that the person who has responsibility should be made to come to the plate, and the "innocent" man who was manipulated should be able to walk away if he so chooses. I'll be damned if I would allow some trashy bitch to trap my son, lie to him, give a financial and emotional brain fuck and then make him pay for it....especially if he doesn't want to. Perhaps thats how your type operate, but I find it unconscionable for a tramp to pin somebody down like that. As for the profane insults directed towards those who think differently from you, do you lack enough scruples and vocabulary to debate anything in an intelligent manner so that topics can go foward in the form of a healthy discussion where points of view are shared? Oh wait.....what am I thinking.....look who I'm talking to..... I already know you say mostly dumb shit and cant back it up. Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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GetAwayFromMe said: Let's just say that I'm not surprised by some of the responses here by the very people I suspected would answer in that way. He had assumed the responsibility for this child for a very long time. The money is for the child, you [Name calling snip - luv4u]
Would you care to share the criteria used in singling out your suspects? Is it the same criteria you use when determining to whom you would rent an apartment? Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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Forget the adults. Imagine how that poor kid must feel... His life and world is gone as he knows it. He thinks his mother is a liar...the father he loved was a lie...his sperm donor is God-knows-where...his future is uncertain. Too sad.
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StillGotIt said: meow85 said: Paying the price? You act as if caring for another human being is a punishment. Oh, the poor bastard. How dare anyone ask him to think of someone else. A stranger? Hardly. If he was raising this kid for 10 years already, he's no stranger. And IMHO only a selfish fuck would think there something wrong with continuing that. Obviously, walking out on the kid is a much better idea to some of you people. Oh...so now I'm a "selfish fuck" because I dont agree with you. How many "humans" have you raised? It figures...your post is nothing but something spoken like a kid with no life experience who does nothing but sell shit over the counter. [Snip - luv4u] Classy response. I don't have to have raised a child to know their best interests should come before the pettiness of fuck-up adults. However the kid got here and whoever the father is, the grownups in the situation need to put aside their drama and sort out what the best solution for the kid is. Period. There is something deeply wrong with the "me and mine first" attitude that would even consider cutting this kid loose just because he isn't blood. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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