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Printablephunkdaddy said: SCNDLS said: This man is unemployed and has a family of his own to support. But even if he WAS employed, I don't think he should be forced by any court of law to pay for a child that is not his biologically based on the mother's fraud. Send that bill to the ACTUAL father.
Exactly. What kind of fuckery is this? Instead of the court trying to punsish this guy, they should get on the mom's triflin ass and force her to bring forward the guys she slept with and take a paternity test. That guy is the one who's getting away scott free. I don't understand the mentality of the courts or people on the org saying he's responsible financially. He can continue to love this child and support him anyway he can but to have the court's say he's financially responsible while the mother is not held accountable at all for not being upfront is complete utter bullshit.   And the mother should have to reimburse him for every red cent since SHE named him as the father when, at the very least, she KNEW there was a chance he wasn't. Triflin' heffa!  | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: hokie said: I don't know if legally he should be forced to pay, but I'd hope that since he believed the child was his and he loves him he'll continue to support him.
The kid still views this man as his father and it would devastate the child for this man to suddenly change his feelings because of biology. If it were me I'd want to continue supporting the child even if it weren't biologically mine. You're a woman and a mother. Of course you will feel this way. Put yourself in the man's position who is lied to and then has to accept something totally unacceptable because everyone is going to hold up a kid and tell him to look into it's eyes totally dismissing and disregarding the real wrong that was done to him. Being lied to, intentionally or not, is wrong. But it is NOT worse than abandoning a child, especially a child who is already in your life. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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SCNDLS said: coolcat said: And now he's being punished for doing something he didn't have to do in the first place... it's not right. I agree 1000%. This is straight up fraud regardless of the man's emotional involvement. The mothers need to be brought on fraud charges and reimburse the man for EVERY fucking cent because those hussies KNEW there was a chance that dude was not the father way before the baby was even born and proceeded to cash those checks knowing of the possibility/certainty that dude wasn't the father. Any bitch doing this needs to be in jail.  Co-Sign!!!!! | |
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meow85 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You're a woman and a mother. Of course you will feel this way. Put yourself in the man's position who is lied to and then has to accept something totally unacceptable because everyone is going to hold up a kid and tell him to look into it's eyes totally dismissing and disregarding the real wrong that was done to him. Being lied to, intentionally or not, is wrong. But it is NOT worse than abandoning a child, especially a child who is already in your life. I agree with that... he's been raising this kid for 10 plus years and now he wants to say  ? If the child bore his name, if on all other documents like school records, insurance etc show him as the father and he was also married to the mom, well, sorry bro but that's ur kid and you gonna pay.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: meow85 said: If more men could be responsible parents, this wouldn't even be an issue... How about responsibly sleeping ONLY with your boyfriend/husband? This is legal entrapment and I bat for team guy 1 billion percent on this issue. I agree. | |
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JustErin said: coolcat said: Or the state can pay the child support. It is unfair to make this man carry the financial burden. I agree that he should not be forced. I said that in my very first post. He should want to continue to provide at least in some way and not just wash his hands of this child because, well, he has another family - his real family. People seem to think that child support is some great amount of money that showers the kid and the mom with a lavish lifestyle. 
It's just enough to meet basic needs (sometimes not even) and is also dependent on the salary of both parents. I'm not saying that he should be forced to pay, just that in the grand scheme of things, the little amount you pay to provide for someone you "love" should not be much of an issue. my friend's ex has to give her $12 per week, calculated % of his measly income  | |
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phunkdaddy said: SCNDLS said: This man is unemployed and has a family of his own to support. But even if he WAS employed, I don't think he should be forced by any court of law to pay for a child that is not his biologically based on the mother's fraud. Send that bill to the ACTUAL father.
Exactly. What kind of fuckery is this? Instead of the court trying to punsish this guy, they should get on the mom's triflin ass and force her to bring forward the guys she slept with and take a paternity test. That guy is the one who's getting away scott free. I don't understand the mentality of the courts or people on the org saying he's responsible financially. He can continue to love this child and support him anyway he can but to have the court's say he's financially responsible while the mother is not held accountable at all for not being upfront is complete utter bullshit. interesting people assume it's more than one | |
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meow85 said: If you raise the kid, it's yours. His claim would be valid if he hadn't had a hand in this child;s upbringing and was now being asked for child support, but he did.
What kind of a selfish fuck does a person have to be to deny a child they've known, raised, and hopefully loved its' whole life support? Genetics be damned. Using the logic this winner is using, adoptive parents who split up shouldn't be obligated to pay child support either. If a couple adopt a child together, divorce doesn't make either of them any less the parent of that child. This is not the case here. What you are suggesting is because this man was a good man, who took care of a child that he thought was his responsbility - he should be obligated to continue to pay for this child's upkeep even though it has now been proved that this child is not his!!! That is BS! And while this man, who was tricked by the child's mum, is paying child support for this child....what is the child's real father doing? Shouldn't his mum be sitting down thinking now who is my child's real dad and how do I contact him for assistance? "I know that living with u baby, was sometimes hard...but I'm willing 2 give it another try.
Cause nothing compares....nothing compares 2 u!" | |
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luv4u said: He could take the paternity test to court, that would let him off the hook.
Who knows who the mother was sleeping with. Some men, even though it's not their child, continue to pay support not because they have to but because they love the child and want to provide for the child. And that is their choice, it should not be an obligation especially when the man is unemployed and has other family commitments. This is wrong. How many of us have got 500 a month to just hand over?? "I know that living with u baby, was sometimes hard...but I'm willing 2 give it another try.
Cause nothing compares....nothing compares 2 u!" | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: wildgoldenhoney said: That's why he said he's torn, because he loves the child, but he has another family to take care of too, his flesh and blood. Assuming he started another family during the time he believed that to be his blood child, he is a stupid ass. Ah come on Supa, that ain't fair. If he was broken up with the mother, what is he supposed to do, be single until the child is of age? Depending on when he split with the mum, that's a long stretch of celibacy. [Edited 5/15/09 5:15am] "I know that living with u baby, was sometimes hard...but I'm willing 2 give it another try.
Cause nothing compares....nothing compares 2 u!" | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: This is wrong wrong wrong and wrong. Men are held hostage by the law and it's not right.
Totally agree with you. It's some full on bullshit and this kid's mum should be disgusted with herself. I get that times is hard for everyone but to take money from a man you know damn well any your child's father and doesn't have it to give is disgraceful. Track down the real father if you can, and tap him for support - this guy has already taken care of your child for 10 1/2 years over your lies. "I know that living with u baby, was sometimes hard...but I'm willing 2 give it another try.
Cause nothing compares....nothing compares 2 u!" | |
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No amount of money will never make up for the loss of a father's love.
The child is hurt as soon a the man walked out of his life, the cushion of a small weekly paycheck should be taken from the biological father only... you can't force a man to love any person he doesn't want to. I guess the biological father of that child may not make as much $$$ as the step-father. Pursuing the biological father must not be in that mother's interest. What would happen in the future when her child doesn't know who his/her biological siblings are? Ladies, we need to make better decisions. | |
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A man has been paying the price for 10 years for an act he did not commit (and in this case it is conceiving a child) and everyone feels that since he did that much time, he should put in more time?
If he wants out financially, why shouldn't he be able to get out? The tramp who entrapped him gets to sit and watch him squirm after he finds out the truth (and believe me...she KNEW damn well what she did.....). How is it healthy for the child to have a stranger who could likely end up resenting him pay? Going to church doesn’t make you a Christian, any more than standing in a garage makes you a car. | |
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StillGotIt said: A man has been paying the price for 10 years for an act he did not commit (and in this case it is conceiving a child) and everyone feels that since he did that much time, he should put in more time?
I don't understand this logic either. He did a good thing taking care of the child when he believed it was his... now he's being punished for this very act... | |
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StillGotIt said: If he wants out financially, why shouldn't he be able to get out? The tramp who entrapped him gets to sit and watch him squirm after he finds out the truth (and believe me...she KNEW damn well what she did.....). How is it healthy for the child to have a stranger who could likely end up resenting him pay? People have been ignoring this aspect of the story. Men are human and get hurt too... and if this was a deception... the deception is being prolonged by the courts... The money can come from anywhere... to force a man, who did a good thing he was under no obligation to do, isn't right. Let the taxpayer pick up the tab. | |
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meow85 said: If you raise the kid, it's yours. His claim would be valid if he hadn't had a hand in this child;s upbringing and was now being asked for child support, but he did.
What kind of a selfish fuck does a person have to be to deny a child they've known, raised, and hopefully loved its' whole life support? Genetics be damned. Using the logic this winner is using, adoptive parents who split up shouldn't be obligated to pay child support either.  One minute they want peace……
Then do everything to make it go away.  | |
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meow85 said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: remove the 10 year old. It's only relevant to this article. If a woman is woman enough to perpetrate a lie on an innocent man, she should be fully responsible for that decision that only she made. it's legalized racqueteering. [Edited 5/14/09 15:21pm] Only if the man in question never had any involvement with the kid. If he's spent any significant amount of time raising and caring for the kid, even if he was lied to about the genetics involved, it's still his kid. Like I said, this isn't really a debate about adult drama, no matter how much some people want to put the focus on the behaviour of the grownups. People need to set aside their petty squabbling about who lied to who and their selfishness and do what's best for the kid. Regardless of how the Juniors got here, it's not their fault and they deserve support of all kinds no less for it . Again x billion
As dodgy as the Mum was for preferring this dude to raise her child over the biological father - (if indeed she honestly knew that he wasn't the biological Dad) SHE had the best interest of her child in mind at the time. One minute they want peace……
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coolcat said: StillGotIt said: If he wants out financially, why shouldn't he be able to get out? The tramp who entrapped him gets to sit and watch him squirm after he finds out the truth (and believe me...she KNEW damn well what she did.....). How is it healthy for the child to have a stranger who could likely end up resenting him pay? People have been ignoring this aspect of the story. Men are human and get hurt too... and if this was a deception... the deception is being prolonged by the courts... The money can come from anywhere... to force a man, who did a good thing he was under no obligation to do, isn't right. Let the taxpayer pick up the tab. It seems 2 always be about the assets. Unbelievable. | |
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coolcat said: StillGotIt said: A man has been paying the price for 10 years for an act he did not commit (and in this case it is conceiving a child) and everyone feels that since he did that much time, he should put in more time?
I don't understand this logic either. He did a good thing taking care of the child when he believed it was his... now he's being punished for this very act... How is he being punished? | |
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Graycap23 said: coolcat said: People have been ignoring this aspect of the story. Men are human and get hurt too... and if this was a deception... the deception is being prolonged by the courts... The money can come from anywhere... to force a man, who did a good thing he was under no obligation to do, isn't right. Let the taxpayer pick up the tab. It seems 2 always be about the assets. Unbelievable. You mean about the person who can best provide for a child they claim to love? Dude shouldn't have to pay, shouldn't be forced...but he should want to continue providing the best he can. But this dude sounds like a loser - unemployed, probably on welfare so it's no wonder he looks at this kid as simply a money eater. It's not like he can even provide for this poor kid anyway. Hey, if y'all can pass judgment on the mother, let's also do the same for this guy. | |
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paintedlady said: No amount of money will never make up for the loss of a father's love.
The child is hurt as soon a the man walked out of his life, the cushion of a small weekly paycheck should be taken from the biological father only... you can't force a man to love any person he doesn't want to. I guess the biological father of that child may not make as much $$$ as the step-father. Pursuing the biological father must not be in that mother's interest. What would happen in the future when her child doesn't know who his/her biological siblings are? Ladies, we need to make better decisions. She absolutely should be pursuing the real father. | |
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JustErin said: paintedlady said: No amount of money will never make up for the loss of a father's love.
The child is hurt as soon a the man walked out of his life, the cushion of a small weekly paycheck should be taken from the biological father only... you can't force a man to love any person he doesn't want to. I guess the biological father of that child may not make as much $$$ as the step-father. Pursuing the biological father must not be in that mother's interest. What would happen in the future when her child doesn't know who his/her biological siblings are? Ladies, we need to make better decisions. She absolutely should be pursuing the real father. From my POV a paycheck is just a paycheck, the child will not care where it comes from. So sue the biological father only.... as far as moral/emotional support, that's different. I really wish there was some way a mother could make a man continue to see his child that he raised. Its pretty f*&!! that any man could have the mentality "sorry kid, but I can't be your daddy anymore because your mom won't give me that coochie.... so um, see ya later, I found a new piece of ass." | |
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paintedlady said: JustErin said: She absolutely should be pursuing the real father. From my POV a paycheck is just a paycheck, the child will not care where it comes from. So sue the biological father only.... as far as moral/emotional support, that's different. I really wish there was some way a mother could make a man continue to see his child that he raised. Its pretty f*&!! that any man could have the mentality "sorry kid, but I can't be your daddy anymore because your mom won't give me that coochie.... so um, see ya later, I found a new piece of ass." I agree with you. I just find it really hard to understand how people can look at kids (that they claim to love) as something that is just taking their money and how they do not wish to provide the best they can for someone they love is something I'll never, ever understand. | |
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Video of the father: http://www.wsbtv.com/news...etail.html
The reporter states that their is a 90 day deadline after receiving the DNA proof to challenege the case. | |
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paintedlady said: From my POV a paycheck is just a paycheck, the child will not care where it comes from. So sue the biological father only.... as far as moral/emotional support, that's different.
I'm down with that. Make the biological father do the right thing. All this nonsense could be avoided if dudes would wear a f-cking condom. Jesus.... | |
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ZombieKitten said: JustErin said: I agree that he should not be forced. I said that in my very first post. He should want to continue to provide at least in some way and not just wash his hands of this child because, well, he has another family - his real family. People seem to think that child support is some great amount of money that showers the kid and the mom with a lavish lifestyle.
It's just enough to meet basic needs (sometimes not even) and is also dependent on the salary of both parents. I'm not saying that he should be forced to pay, just that in the grand scheme of things, the little amount you pay to provide for someone you "love" should not be much of an issue. my friend's ex has to give her $12 per week, calculated % of his measly income $48 a month? Dude on welfare or something?  | |
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Neophyte said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Assuming he started another family during the time he believed that to be his blood child, he is a stupid ass. Ah come on Supa, that ain't fair. If he was broken up with the mother, what is he supposed to do, be single until the child is of age? Depending on when he split with the mum, that's a long stretch of celibacy. [Edited 5/15/09 5:15am] He doesn't have to be celibate, just don't add kids to the fire! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Words for the Wise. Be more selective when breeding. Parenting is more than just biology.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Neophyte said: Ah come on Supa, that ain't fair. If he was broken up with the mother, what is he supposed to do, be single until the child is of age? Depending on when he split with the mum, that's a long stretch of celibacy. [Edited 5/15/09 5:15am] He doesn't have to be celibate, just don't add kids to the fire! Wait, so he shouldn't CHOOSE to get married and start a family because some trick he fucked lied?  | |
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SCNDLS said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: He doesn't have to be celibate, just don't add kids to the fire! Wait, so he shouldn't CHOOSE to get married and start a family because some trick he fucked lied? If he already can't handle paying for his first kid, which is a basis for his complaint having to pay for that kid while he has a family to raise then FUCK NO he should not be having more kids and since another woman was involved his new wife probably was only interested in procreating to cement his ass to her side and give him a reason to forget all about the first family. 
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