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Reply #30 posted 05/14/09 3:26pm

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Allow me to throw out a personal anecdote that may explain my feelings on the matter a little better, using a movie:

You guys remember Hook, the flick starring Robin Williams about what would happen if the boy who never grew up, grew up? Much as I love the movie, the ending has always bothered me. I mean, sure, Peter Pan has a responsibility to Jack and Maggie, his biological "real world" kids. He has to go back home and take care of them and be their father. But what about The Lost Boys? After finally returning after years of outright abandonment and re-accepting his role as the Pan, he leaves them. Again. But they're his kids too, aren't they?


That was a good movie
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Reply #31 posted 05/14/09 3:28pm

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Like I said, if we were talking about a newborn that wasn't his, or a kid he'd had no hand in raising that wasn't his and he was being asked for child support I'd agree with you fully. But we're not. We're talking about a 10 year that he has already been raising and supporting, even with his earlier suspicions about the kid's paternity.

It's not legal entrapment. What it is is asking a person not to let down a kid they've already been responsible for. The adults need to put aside their stupidity and drama and think about what's really best for the kid. Is it having the father figure he's known his whole life involved in supporting him, at least financially, or is it leaving the mother to raise him herself? Assuming neither adult was abusive and is fit to parent, IMO the first option is clearly what's best for the kid.

This shit is not about the adults involved, and never is. The man needs to suck it up, quit crying, and accept the responsibility he has already taken on.


remove the 10 year old. It's only relevant to this article. If a woman is woman enough to perpetrate a lie on an innocent man, she should be fully responsible for that decision that only she made. it's legalized racqueteering.
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Only if the man in question never had any involvement with the kid. If he's spent any significant amount of time raising and caring for the kid, even if he was lied to about the genetics involved, it's still his kid. Like I said, this isn't really a debate about adult drama, no matter how much some people want to put the focus on the behaviour of the grownups. People need to set aside their petty squabbling about who lied to who and their selfishness and do what's best for the kid. Regardless of how the Juniors got here, it's not their fault and they deserve support of all kinds no less for it.
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Reply #32 posted 05/14/09 3:30pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



remove the 10 year old. It's only relevant to this article. If a woman is woman enough to perpetrate a lie on an innocent man, she should be fully responsible for that decision that only she made. it's legalized racqueteering.
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Only if the man in question never had any involvement with the kid. If he's spent any significant amount of time raising and caring for the kid, even if he was lied to about the genetics involved, it's still his kid. Like I said, this isn't really a debate about adult drama, no matter how much some people want to put the focus on the behaviour of the grownups. People need to set aside their petty squabbling about who lied to who and their selfishness and do what's best for the kid. Regardless of how the Juniors got here, it's not their fault and they deserve support of all kinds no less for it.


I agree the child is being punished in this situation but he went into it believing something is true that is not and it absolutely should be on the woman for pulling a lie in the first place.
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Reply #33 posted 05/14/09 3:31pm

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meow85 said:


That would be different, but this isn't arbitrary at all. This is a child he has known and helped raise for years.


shrug I don't see why that makes him responsible for child support.


It shouldn't make him responsible, but as someone that has provided for and admittedly loved this child, he should feel obligated to continue supporting.

I am disgusted by people who can just turn their back on a child they were once caring for, especially one they claim they love.

His own words were, why should he continue to "pay" for this kid, not "provide" for it. He cares more about money and his bitterness than providing for a child he has a relationship with and "loves".
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Reply #34 posted 05/14/09 3:33pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I agree the child is being punished in this situation but he went into it believing something is true that is not and it absolutely should be on the woman for pulling a lie in the first place.


Absolutely
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Reply #35 posted 05/14/09 3:33pm

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That's why he said he's torn, because he loves the child,
but he has another family to take care of too, his flesh and blood.

So, blood trumps all?

So you think he should pay child support for someone that he did not help reproduce?
I'm sure if he wanted to, he could help out and give the child some money,
but why should he be obligated/forced to pay for a child that he did not make until he comes of age?


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Reply #36 posted 05/14/09 3:36pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I agree the child is being punished in this situation but he went into it believing something is true that is not and it absolutely should be on the woman for pulling a lie in the first place.


Absolutely


Ok, how? By punishing the child? Because that's all that is happening here.
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Reply #37 posted 05/14/09 3:37pm

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Absolutely


Ok, how? By punishing the child? Because that's all that is happening here.

It's fucked up and WRONG that a child can be used as a weapon like that. The state steps in at that point and SHE is responsible for paying the state back. How about that? Child doesn't suffer and she is held responsible.
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Reply #38 posted 05/14/09 3:38pm

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JustErin said:

luv4u said:



Absolutely


Ok, how? By punishing the child? Because that's all that is happening here.


Hmm see the bolded text above. The mother of that child LIED period.
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Reply #39 posted 05/14/09 3:39pm

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Ok, how? By punishing the child? Because that's all that is happening here.

It's fucked up and WRONG that a child can be used as a weapon like that. The state steps in at that point and SHE is responsible for paying the state back. How about that? Child doesn't suffer and she is held responsible.


How do you figure that the child doesn't suffer? Their 'father' is gone and wants nothing to do with them because they don't want to be responsible for them.
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Reply #40 posted 05/14/09 3:40pm

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Ok, how? By punishing the child? Because that's all that is happening here.

It's fucked up and WRONG that a child can be used as a weapon like that. The state steps in at that point and SHE is responsible for paying the state back. How about that? Child doesn't suffer and she is held responsible.


Or the state can pay the child support. It is unfair to make this man carry the financial burden.
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Reply #41 posted 05/14/09 3:42pm

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JustErin said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


It's fucked up and WRONG that a child can be used as a weapon like that. The state steps in at that point and SHE is responsible for paying the state back. How about that? Child doesn't suffer and she is held responsible.


How do you figure that the child doesn't suffer? Their 'father' is gone and wants nothing to do with them because they don't want to be responsible for them.

She can explain that then. Let the child hate them both lol
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Reply #42 posted 05/14/09 3:43pm

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What does the mother do for a living?

On welfare?, into drugs?, or too lazy to work so uses the child support as her income?
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Reply #43 posted 05/14/09 3:43pm

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Ok, how? By punishing the child? Because that's all that is happening here.


Hmm see the bolded text above. The mother of that child LIED period.


Excuse me? What does her lying have to do with putting a child's best interest first? Fact of the matter is, that kid is here now - whether she lied or not. The kid grew up thinking this man was their father and now that is being ripped away.

So what is your solution to have it all be on the woman and not punish the child? Or are you actually saying that the child's best interest should not be taken into consideration because their mother lied?
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Reply #44 posted 05/14/09 3:45pm

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What does the mother do for a living?

On welfare?, into drugs?, or too lazy to work so uses the child support as her income?


Are you fucking kidding me??? lol
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Reply #45 posted 05/14/09 3:47pm

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JustErin said:

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Hmm see the bolded text above. The mother of that child LIED period.


Excuse me? What does her lying have to do with putting a child's best interest first? Fact of the matter is, that kid is here now - whether she lied or not. The kid grew up thinking this man was their father and now that is being ripped away.

So what is your solution to have it all be on the woman and not punish the child? Or are you actually saying that the child's best interest should not be taken into consideration because their mother lied?


She lied for whatever her reasons. Prolly so the guy had no idea she was sleeping around. I think because of her lie this mess has come about.
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Reply #46 posted 05/14/09 3:49pm

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JustErin said:

luv4u said:

What does the mother do for a living?

On welfare?, into drugs?, or too lazy to work so uses the child support as her income?


Are you fucking kidding me??? lol

Who are you shaking down? lol
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Reply #47 posted 05/14/09 3:49pm

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It's unfortunate for the kid, caught in the middle. The family court sees this shit every day.

That mother should get the other men to go through DNA testing.

call Maury Povich
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Reply #48 posted 05/14/09 3:49pm

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If you raise the kid, it's yours. His claim would be valid if he hadn't had a hand in this child;s upbringing and was now being asked for child support, but he did.

What kind of a selfish fuck does a person have to be to deny a child they've known, raised, and hopefully loved its' whole life support? Genetics be damned. Using the logic this winner is using, adoptive parents who split up shouldn't be obligated to pay child support either.


Adoptive parents voluntary agree to that responsibility. This man didn't. He was tricked into accepting that responsibility.

And now he's being punished for doing something he didn't have to do in the first place... it's not right.

I agree 1000%. This is straight up fraud regardless of the man's emotional involvement. The mothers need to be brought on fraud charges and reimburse the man for EVERY fucking cent because those hussies KNEW there was a chance that dude was not the father way before the baby was even born and proceeded to cash those checks knowing of the possibility/certainty that dude wasn't the father. Any bitch doing this needs to be in jail. hammer
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Reply #49 posted 05/14/09 3:50pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

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If more men could be responsible parents, this wouldn't even be an issue...

How about responsibly sleeping ONLY with your boyfriend/husband? This is legal entrapment and I bat for team guy 1 billion percent on this issue.

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Reply #50 posted 05/14/09 3:50pm

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It's fucked up and WRONG that a child can be used as a weapon like that. The state steps in at that point and SHE is responsible for paying the state back. How about that? Child doesn't suffer and she is held responsible.


Or the state can pay the child support. It is unfair to make this man carry the financial burden.


I agree that he should not be forced. I said that in my very first post. He should want to continue to provide at least in some way and not just wash his hands of this child because, well, he has another family - his real family.

People seem to think that child support is some great amount of money that showers the kid and the mom with a lavish lifestyle. lol

It's just enough to meet basic needs (sometimes not even) and is also dependent on the salary of both parents. I'm not saying that he should be forced to pay, just that in the grand scheme of things, the little amount you pay to provide for someone you "love" should not be much of an issue.
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Reply #51 posted 05/14/09 3:52pm

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Excuse me? What does her lying have to do with putting a child's best interest first? Fact of the matter is, that kid is here now - whether she lied or not. The kid grew up thinking this man was their father and now that is being ripped away.

So what is your solution to have it all be on the woman and not punish the child? Or are you actually saying that the child's best interest should not be taken into consideration because their mother lied?


She lied for whatever her reasons. Prolly so the guy had no idea she was sleeping around. I think because of her lie this mess has come about.


Really?? I had no idea that her lie resulted in this mess. Who knew?? lol
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Reply #52 posted 05/14/09 3:52pm

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Are you fucking kidding me??? lol

Who are you shaking down? lol


lol

Not you.
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Reply #53 posted 05/14/09 3:53pm

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shrug I don't see why that makes him responsible for child support.


It shouldn't make him responsible, but as someone that has provided for and admittedly loved this child, he should feel obligated to continue supporting.

I am disgusted by people who can just turn their back on a child they were once caring for, especially one they claim they love.

His own words were, why should he continue to "pay" for this kid, not "provide" for it. He cares more about money and his bitterness than providing for a child he has a relationship with and "loves".

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Reply #54 posted 05/14/09 3:54pm

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Women should keep their legs together and men should keep their zippers up.
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Reply #55 posted 05/14/09 3:57pm

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Women should keep their legs together and men should keep their zippers up.


And have online relationships only!

Problem solved!
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Reply #56 posted 05/14/09 3:58pm

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JustErin said:

luv4u said:

Women should keep their legs together and men should keep their zippers up.


And have online relationships only!

Problem solved!


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Reply #57 posted 05/14/09 3:58pm

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JustErin said:

luv4u said:

Women should keep their legs together and men should keep their zippers up.


And have online relationships only!

Problem solved!

thank god I can't get knocked up lol
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Reply #58 posted 05/14/09 3:59pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

JustErin said:



And have online relationships only!

Problem solved!

thank god I can't get knocked up lol


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Reply #59 posted 05/14/09 3:59pm

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meow85 said:

If you raise the kid, it's yours. His claim would be valid if he hadn't had a hand in this child;s upbringing and was now being asked for child support, but he did.

What kind of a selfish fuck does a person have to be to deny a child they've known, raised, and hopefully loved its' whole life support? Genetics be damned. Using the logic this winner is using, adoptive parents who split up shouldn't be obligated to pay child support either.


I dunno where I stand on this. On one hand he should not be forced to pay for a child that is not his, but on the other he should not want to just walk away financially from a child he's been caring for, that he loves and has a relationship with.

"When you find out he's not your kid, it hurts because you still love him. But you don't want to pay child support for a kid that ain't yours when you got a family of your own to take care of," said Durden.

This line is so utterly gross to me.

It just goes to show you that so many people really do not have the best interest of the child at the forefront. It’s always about themselves.

I agree with this.
I would say the law should be on his side, but is karma?
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