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Reply #30 posted 12/11/02 10:53am

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mrchristian said:

teller said:

The ends do not justify the means. Sorry, not gonna kill innocent individuals.
Just wondering if you support any use of war at all?
War -which kills innocent people- is a means to an end.

In self defense only--and then there is no choice.
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Reply #31 posted 12/11/02 10:54am

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Thecherryloon said:

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the 1000 evillol

The NEEDS of the many do not outweigh the RIGHTS of the few.
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Reply #32 posted 12/11/02 10:56am

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Thecherryloon said:

The needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few, or the 1000 evillol

The NEEDS of the many do not outweigh the NEEDS of the few.I'm a lying ass Mofo don't trust me!


I'd trust Spock over you any day Teller! lol
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Reply #33 posted 12/11/02 10:57am

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slaughtering a thousand innocent babes ...world peace

the world can go to hell - one of those babies or all of them together could infact be the key to peace ALIVE...

never! i maybe tempted kill many things but babies no...
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Reply #34 posted 12/11/02 11:01am

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Thecherryloon said:

I'd trust Spock over you any day Teller! lol

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Reply #35 posted 12/11/02 11:04am

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I'd definitely do it if it meant no more wars.

I'm just trying to think of the different ways that I could kill them.
Drowning them all in a barrel of boiling water would get boring after the first 50 or so, so I'd have to change my method after that.
Amputating the limbs of the next 200 or so would be a good idea, leaving them to bleed to death - it would be some time before that got boring.
For the next few hundred... Probably shoot them in the head, letting them know a couple of hours beforehand of my intentions so that they would know and feel the fear way in advance.
My next method would be suffocation by plastic bag. Might be a bit waring, however, having to cope with all that panicky struggling.
I would finish off the last few by throwing them into the cellar with a variety of knives, cattle-prods and chainsaws and force them to fight each other to the death, letting them know that if they didn't - I would kill their brothers or sisters.
May as well finish off my killing spree with a good spectator sport.

And then... No more wars ever.

Oh wait! You said 'children'!!! I thought you said 'Evil alien life forms that were pretending to be human, but were actually intent on taking over planet Earth'.

My mistake.

No, I definitely would NOT kill 1000 children - what a horrifying thought.

(What's the betting that this post gets far less damning responses than if I'd criticized the NPGMC?)
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Reply #36 posted 12/11/02 11:09am

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Haystack...you're too much! :LOL:
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Reply #37 posted 12/11/02 12:27pm

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Haystack said:

I'd definitely do it if it meant no more wars.

I'm just trying to think of the different ways that I could kill them.
Drowning them all in a barrel of boiling water would get boring after the first 50 or so, so I'd have to change my method after that.
Amputating the limbs of the next 200 or so would be a good idea, leaving them to bleed to death - it would be some time before that got boring.
For the next few hundred... Probably shoot them in the head, letting them know a couple of hours beforehand of my intentions so that they would know and feel the fear way in advance.
My next method would be suffocation by plastic bag. Might be a bit waring, however, having to cope with all that panicky struggling.
I would finish off the last few by throwing them into the cellar with a variety of knives, cattle-prods and chainsaws and force them to fight each other to the death, letting them know that if they didn't - I would kill their brothers or sisters.
May as well finish off my killing spree with a good spectator sport.

And then... No more wars ever.

Oh wait! You said 'children'!!! I thought you said 'Evil alien life forms that were pretending to be human, but were actually intent on taking over planet Earth'.

My mistake.

No, I definitely would NOT kill 1000 children - what a horrifying thought.

(What's the betting that this post gets far less damning responses than if I'd criticized the NPGMC?)
You criticized the NPGMC??! omfg You bastard! wink
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Reply #38 posted 12/11/02 1:09pm

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Okay...am i the only reasonable person here or the only twisted one? Ice, what do u think u'rself? I mean, if the question was: if u kill one innocent baby, u would have ever lasting world peace, all of u would still say no? bcause, in the greater scale of things, that wouldn't make any difference.
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Reply #39 posted 12/11/02 1:11pm

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SpcMs said:

Okay...am i the only reasonable person here or the only twisted one? Ice, what do u think u'rself? I mean, if the question was: if u kill one innocent baby, u would have ever lasting world peace, all of u would still say no? bcause, in the greater scale of things, that wouldn't make any difference.


It is a tough question, but I would have to think that the greater good for millions upon millions of people would be worth it.
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Reply #40 posted 12/11/02 1:18pm

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You are nothing. Your country is everything.

- Adolph Hitler
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Reply #41 posted 12/11/02 1:34pm

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Assuming heaven and hell exist:

Would you commit 1,000 people to eternal damnation if the rest of us are immediately sent to heaven?

My answer is the same...HELL NO.
Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #42 posted 12/11/02 1:37pm

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wellbeyond said:

I wouldn't do it...if for no other reason than mankind would simply find another way besides war to cause human suffering in the name of gaining and keeping power and wealth...eliminating war wouldn't eliminate that aspect within us which causes something like war in the first place...
Makes me wonder if we are inherently violent or we are simply taught to kill one another. After all, every human culture has been shown to have some sort of violent behavior and/or murder. Some cultures more than others, but still violent.

"mankind would simply find another way besides war to cause human suffering
Just a thought if diseases like AIDS and cancer are Humanity's way of controlling over-population. War may, too, be an inner, violent response to over-population. Many animal species show a violent response to over-population, what makes us think we're any different.
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Reply #43 posted 12/11/02 1:38pm

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teller said:

Assuming heaven and hell exist:

Would you commit 1,000 people to eternal damnation if the rest of us are immediately sent to heaven?

My answer is the same...HELL NO.


It is a sucky question, really... and it is tough to answer...

I am vacillating on this one, really... eternal world peace would be great, but I cannot even imagine losing my son and killing 1,000 children would rob 1,000 families of their children... what if these 1,000 children would have gone on to die in wars with hundreds of thousands of others?

I hate my question... sad
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Reply #44 posted 12/11/02 1:55pm

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IceNine said:

teller said:

Assuming heaven and hell exist:

Would you commit 1,000 people to eternal damnation if the rest of us are immediately sent to heaven?

My answer is the same...HELL NO.


It is a sucky question, really... and it is tough to answer...

I am vacillating on this one, really... eternal world peace would be great, but I cannot even imagine losing my son and killing 1,000 children would rob 1,000 families of their children... what if these 1,000 children would have gone on to die in wars with hundreds of thousands of others?

I hate my question... sad

People have died in war for years...history marches on...but to play God by sending 1,000 people to their deaths so that others can have a short-cut to "Eden" strikes me as the height of arrogance.
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Reply #45 posted 12/11/02 2:04pm

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World peace cannot be achieved anyhow. As long as there is man, there will be conflict, and war. So, I don't suppose I'd do it if some jackass told me, "Hey, if you kill 1,000 innocent children, there will be world peace!"

He would clearly be full of crap. smile

Not to mention, world peace is a bad idea. War is good for the economy, and it's a good form of population control.
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Reply #46 posted 12/11/02 2:04pm

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I WAS BORN KING AND EVERYTHING I SAY IS LAW
THE ONLY OTHER...
oh wait,
i thought you said TOTALITARIANISM...
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Reply #47 posted 12/11/02 2:46pm

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BattierBeMyDaddy said:

World peace cannot be achieved anyhow. As long as there is man, there will be conflict, and war. So, I don't suppose I'd do it if some jackass told me, "Hey, if you kill 1,000 innocent children, there will be world peace!"

He would clearly be full of crap. smile

Not to mention, world peace is a bad idea. War is good for the economy, and it's a good form of population control.
War is NOT good for the economy. This is a very widespread myth.
Fear is the mind-killer.
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Reply #48 posted 12/11/02 2:49pm

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teller said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

World peace cannot be achieved anyhow. As long as there is man, there will be conflict, and war. So, I don't suppose I'd do it if some jackass told me, "Hey, if you kill 1,000 innocent children, there will be world peace!"

He would clearly be full of crap. smile

Not to mention, world peace is a bad idea. War is good for the economy, and it's a good form of population control.
War is NOT good for the economy. This is a very widespread myth.


Fine. But it's still good population control.
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Reply #49 posted 12/11/02 2:55pm

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BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Fine. But it's still good population control.

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Reply #50 posted 12/11/02 3:01pm

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teller said:

BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Fine. But it's still good population control.

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Come tell my US History teacher he tells us myths. And kick him in his old, wrinkly balls, too. If you don't mind.
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Reply #51 posted 12/11/02 3:01pm

Thecherryloon

going off on a tangent,War is as natural to man as pooping.i've been watching a nature programme tonight and the fact that nearly all the male mammals fought over territory has re-inforced that view.

It'll never stop. sad
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Reply #52 posted 12/11/02 3:35pm

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BattierBeMyDaddy said:

Come tell my US History teacher he tells us myths. And kick him in his old, wrinkly balls, too. If you don't mind.
Old History teachers not healthy for your consciousness. I feel sorry for any student in today's high schools or universities.
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Reply #53 posted 12/11/02 7:50pm

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No, don't kill the children. They are always innocent victims in times of war.
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