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Thread started 05/01/09 2:20pm

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WHY GIVE UP PRIVACY? BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IS!!!

they have a point. it's pretty hard to object to warrantless wire-tapping, and omnipresent surveillance cameras, when folks are givin' up the gold voluntarily on social networking sites. confused


WHY GIVE UP PRIVACY? BECAUSE EVERYONE ELSE IS!!!

Would you share the most intimate details of your life with a stranger, such as cheating on your taxes or sleeping with a friend's spouse? You'd be more likely to tell if you thought everyone else was doing it, say a group of researchers at Carnegie Mellon University.

The results of their study could help explain the slow but steady march toward "anything goes" behavior on social networking sites like Facebook, where users are notorious for revealing too much information about themselves.

Msnbc.com has obtained a copy of the report, which is to be released next month. In it, the researchers worried about what they called a "frog effect” on the public. Like a frog that doesn't notice it's in danger when sitting in water that slowly comes to a boil, consumers are not noticing that personal privacy standards are slowly eroding.

A befuddling conflict
The group of behavioral scientists were looking for answers to a vexing question that dogs nearly every privacy-related research project: People routinely say they care deeply about privacy, then consistently act otherwise.

In the study, the group asked nearly 2,000 adults a series of sensitive, "self-revelatory" questions. They ranged from tame (Have you ever left a room with the light on?) to the dramatic (Have you ever had sex with the current partner of a friend?). After each question, the researchers showed the test-takers fake results offering up alleged answers from other test takers. Some of the fake results showed the majority admitted to a variety of these unethical behaviors; others showed that most test-takers had denied taking part in the behaviors, or refused to answer the questions.

Those who thought their fellow test-takers were admitting to a string of bad behaviors were 27 percent more likely to reveal intimate details of their lives, even after the researchers asked for their private e-mail address.

"We call this effect 'herding.' When people observe more disclosure, they become more likely to disclosure similarly sensitive information," said privacy and economics researcher Alessandro Acquisti, one of the authors of the study. "As we see more people revealing sensitive information, we also become more likely to do it."

Subtle scramble of questions
The study did not track straight-line confessions such as, consumers who saw other people admit to relationship cheating were more likely to confess cheating themselves. Instead, the questions were scrambled to examine a more subtle point: People who thought others were confessing to anything were compelled share confessions about themselves.

"So if I see people admitting cheating on their wives, then I am more likely to admit cheating on my taxes," Acquisti said.

There was a group of test-takers who didn't fall for the "manipulation," Acquisti said -- a group sometimes called "privacy-centric." Consumers who refused to give their e-mail address during the test showed no variance in their likelihood to confess.

It was a small group, however -- 87 percent of test-takers willingly surrendered their e-mail. The information was then scrambled to protect the privacy of the test takers.

The power of "herding" on privacy standards could have a compounding effect on consumers, Acquisti said. Consumers who are nudged towards self-revelation by others will keep pushing the standards further and further away from privacy.

"It's a one-way problem," he said. "The study implies that we are going a direction from which we cannot make a U-turn. More revelations push us to more revelations push us to more revelations. It's more and more common for everybody to put life out there in public."

Larry Ponemon, who runs privacy research firm The Ponemon Institute, said he thought the study results were consistent with other research he’s seen indicating that people seem to have a primal need to share details about their lives.

The 'torment' of secrets
“There is a torment in keeping secrets,he said. People have a willingness to share in an environment like a social network. They are motivated to share because there is a psychological release people really don’t want to keep secrets.

Social networking sites are benefitting from this desire to share, he said. But he agreed with the Carnegie Mellon researchers that normal boundaries for selectively sharing information within predefined groups are slowly eroding.

“There are thresholds for sharing information, but they seem to be going away,” he said.

In a second, related study, the Carnegie Mellon researchers tested two opposing theories about seducing reluctant test-takers to share details of their lives and came up with a surprising result. One group was asked progressively more sensitive questions, under the theory that consumers could slowly be led down a path towards more revelation – a technique sometimes called the “foot in the door” strategy. But it didn’t work as well as the opposite tactic: Asking the most invasive question first, then asking the easier questions. Test-takers confronted abruptly like that – using what’s called the “door in the face” strategy – shared more. That seems to suggest consumers are less unnerved by medium-range invasive questions when they subconsciously compare them to an initial abrupt question, like “Have you ever fantasized about sex with a minor?”

A favorite technique at car lots
This technique should be familiar to anyone who’s ever purchased a new car. Dealerships routinely make “highball” offers initially, in an attempt to slide a buyer’s potential price range higher. For example, if a dealer initially offered to sell a car for $25,000, then drops the price to $23,000, the buyer will feel like he or she got a better price than if the dealer offered $23,000 on the first pass.

In sales, the technique is often called “anchoring.” A seller who can get a buyer to reposition their subconscious anchor higher will usually get a higher price.

The same principles apply in privacy decisions, Acquisti said. However, because privacy transactions are hard to quantify, it’s hard to know what you’re “paying” when you reveal too much about yourself on Facebook. And it’s hard to know where the downward spiral away from privacy might stop.

“I do feel that as a society our trajectory is going pretty clearly towards more and more information revelation, which seems to create and fewer constraints for privacy,” he said. That’s not necessarily a bad thing, he said. Privacy is naturally a social standard, and each generation and social group can define its own standard. But the end of all such standards is a disturbing possibility, he added.

“Our ability to selectively disclose information about ourselves to different groups of people is part of what makes us human,” he said.

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Reply #1 posted 05/01/09 2:22pm

Imago

I noticed that on myspace years ago.
There were these 'questionaires' which would ask incredibly detailed questions like how many brothers or sisters you have, or your favorite super-hero, etc. etc.

Many of those are the same types of questions banks require you to answer if you forget your login information.

Though I still fill out the surveys for fun, I avoid ANYTHING that comes remotely close to something you can phish.





























This is my crotch:


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Reply #2 posted 05/01/09 2:29pm

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Imago said:

I noticed that on myspace years ago.
There were these 'questionaires' which would ask incredibly detailed questions like how many brothers or sisters you have, or your favorite super-hero, etc. etc.

Many of those are the same types of questions banks require you to answer if you forget your login information.

Though I still fill out the surveys for fun, I avoid ANYTHING that comes remotely close to something you can phish.





























This is my crotch:




batting eyes call me! Zannalee Zantastic, 952.555.1212 you can use my credit card if it's long distance: 8690-5611-3270-0002, or stop by at my house 333 Uptown Lane South, Minneapolis, MN 55409. my 37th birthday is coming on up may 5th, so bring a gift!
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Reply #3 posted 05/01/09 2:29pm

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woot! love it!
This is always my gripe about people.
They dont give a damn about their own privacy, they certainly don't give to shits about anyone else's. Then those same people have the nerve to say your odd because you wont disclose every little bit of info that they request in their casual conversation with you. rolleyes
To make a thief, make an owner; to create crime, create laws.
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Reply #4 posted 05/01/09 2:30pm

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Cuddles said:

woot! love it!
This is always my gripe about people.
They dont give a damn about their own privacy, they certainly don't give to shits about anyone else's. Then those same people have the nerve to say your odd because you wont disclose every little bit of info that they request in their casual conversation with you. rolleyes



it scares me how much information people put out there! it's not safe people, not safe at all hmm
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Reply #5 posted 05/01/09 2:38pm

Cuddles

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XxAxX said:

Cuddles said:

woot! love it!
This is always my gripe about people.
They dont give a damn about their own privacy, they certainly don't give to shits about anyone else's. Then those same people have the nerve to say your odd because you wont disclose every little bit of info that they request in their casual conversation with you. rolleyes



it scares me how much information people put out there! it's not safe people, not safe at all hmm


those questionaires on myspace gave me a headache just glancing at them.
But i always thought they were too much info and someone was gathering that info.
But i praise those few that seen through the questionaire and are/were clever enough to answer them with smart assed rhetoric. lol THAT could be entertaining.
To make a thief, make an owner; to create crime, create laws.
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Reply #6 posted 05/01/09 2:45pm

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i figure this may be the closest i'll come to actually posting my picture online eek biggrin




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Reply #7 posted 05/01/09 2:47pm

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Cuddles said:

XxAxX said:




it scares me how much information people put out there! it's not safe people, not safe at all hmm


those questionaires on myspace gave me a headache just glancing at them.
But i always thought they were too much info and someone was gathering that info.
But i praise those few that seen through the questionaire and are/were clever enough to answer them with smart assed rhetoric. lol THAT could be entertaining.


i sometimes wonder who or what is gathering up all this data. nod i've seen some fairly candid photos and contact information online. since i've handled lawsuits that deal with identity theft, i always wonder about the peeps who are that trusting. someday, somehow, they, too, may end up with alaskan mortgages in their names smile
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Reply #8 posted 05/01/09 2:55pm

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XxAxX said:

Imago said:

I noticed that on myspace years ago.
There were these 'questionaires' which would ask incredibly detailed questions like how many brothers or sisters you have, or your favorite super-hero, etc. etc.

Many of those are the same types of questions banks require you to answer if you forget your login information.

Though I still fill out the surveys for fun, I avoid ANYTHING that comes remotely close to something you can phish.





























This is my crotch:




batting eyes call me! Zannalee Zantastic, 952.555.1212 you can use my credit card if it's long distance: 8690-5611-3270-0002, or stop by at my house 333 Uptown Lane South, Minneapolis, MN 55409. my 37th birthday is coming on up may 5th, so bring a gift!



my phone ain't rang yet, sweetie mad
c'mon, can't you see i have what appear to be perky breasties? batting eyes
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Reply #9 posted 05/01/09 3:16pm

sinisterpentat
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XxAxX said:

XxAxX said:



batting eyes call me! Zannalee Zantastic, 952.555.1212 you can use my credit card if it's long distance: 8690-5611-3270-0002, or stop by at my house 333 Uptown Lane South, Minneapolis, MN 55409. my 37th birthday is coming on up may 5th, so bring a gift!



my phone ain't rang yet, sweetie mad
c'mon, can't you see i have what appear to be perky breasties? batting eyes


hey! i've been trying to call you all day! mad

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Reply #10 posted 05/01/09 3:17pm

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sinisterpentatonic said:

XxAxX said:




my phone ain't rang yet, sweetie mad
c'mon, can't you see i have what appear to be perky breasties? batting eyes


hey! i've been trying to call you all day! mad

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batting eyes reeeaaallllly?
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Reply #11 posted 05/01/09 3:19pm

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try dialing my social security number, i got it set up to take calls: 575-23-0961 nod

but shhh let's keep that between me and you
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Reply #12 posted 05/01/09 3:21pm

sinisterpentat
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XxAxX said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



hey! i've been trying to call you all day! mad

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batting eyes reeeaaallllly?


YEAH! evil



fine then if you're gonna screen your calls.

i'm not calling you anymore...talk to the hand u're the one that's missing out, i don't stuff my crotch like Imago.


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Reply #13 posted 05/01/09 3:22pm

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XxAxX said:

try dialing my social security number, i got it set up to take calls: 575-23-0961 nod

but shhh let's keep that between me and you


nod mushy
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Reply #14 posted 05/01/09 3:23pm

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sinisterpentatonic said:

XxAxX said:



batting eyes reeeaaallllly?


YEAH! evil



fine then if you're gonna screen your calls.

i'm not calling you anymore...talk to the hand u're the one that's missing out, i don't stuff my crotch like Imago.


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i think he has a lion in his pocket, and baby it's ready to roar! nod
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Reply #15 posted 05/01/09 3:29pm

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XxAxX said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



YEAH! evil



fine then if you're gonna screen your calls.

i'm not calling you anymore...talk to the hand u're the one that's missing out, i don't stuff my crotch like Imago.


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i think he has a lion in his pocket, and baby it's ready to roar! nod


i have a tyrannosaurus in my pocket and it's ready to roar...cool

http://www.youtube.com/wa...wlDW8qFGFA
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Reply #16 posted 05/01/09 3:45pm

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sinisterpentatonic said:

XxAxX said:



i think he has a lion in his pocket, and baby it's ready to roar! nod


i have a tyrannosaurus in my pocket and it's ready to roar...cool

http://www.youtube.com/wa...wlDW8qFGFA


omfg lurking
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Reply #17 posted 05/01/09 5:25pm

ocean

XxAxX said:

i figure this may be the closest i'll come to actually posting my picture online eek biggrin




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woot! pretty!! ....I never seen u before ...why did I think u were a guy ...lol ..stupid bloody org
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Reply #18 posted 05/01/09 5:52pm

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Whenever I boil frogs, they always jump out no matter how slow I heat up the water!

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Reply #19 posted 05/01/09 5:55pm

sinisterpentat
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ocean said:

XxAxX said:

i figure this may be the closest i'll come to actually posting my picture online eek biggrin




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woot! pretty!! ....I never seen u before ...why did I think u were a guy ...lol ..stupid bloody org


i wanna see more!! biggrin

i'm still not convinced that's her though, the pic file says youraslut....lol i don't don't think that's X's style. lol
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Reply #20 posted 05/01/09 5:59pm

ocean

sinisterpentatonic said:

ocean said:


woot! pretty!! ....I never seen u before ...why did I think u were a guy ...lol ..stupid bloody org


i wanna see more!! biggrin

i'm still not convinced that's her though, the pic file says youraslut....lol i don't don't think that's X's style. lol

eek
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Reply #21 posted 05/01/09 6:10pm

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sinisterpentatonic said:

ocean said:


woot! pretty!! ....I never seen u before ...why did I think u were a guy ...lol ..stupid bloody org


i wanna see more!! biggrin

i'm still not convinced that's her though, the pic file says youraslut....lol i don't don't think that's X's style. lol

I think her real name is Youras Lut. Lut is her married name, her maiden name was Kank.

nod
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Reply #22 posted 05/01/09 6:25pm

ocean

mcmeekle said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



i wanna see more!! biggrin

i'm still not convinced that's her though, the pic file says youraslut....lol i don't don't think that's X's style. lol

I think her real name is Youras Lut. Lut is her married name, her maiden name was Kank.

nod

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Reply #23 posted 05/01/09 6:27pm

sinisterpentat
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mcmeekle said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



i wanna see more!! biggrin

i'm still not convinced that's her though, the pic file says youraslut....lol i don't don't think that's X's style. lol

I think her real name is Youras Lut. Lut is her married name, her maiden name was Kank.

nod


thanks for clearing that up for me, mcmeekle...thumbs up!
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Reply #24 posted 05/01/09 10:32pm

Byron

mcmeekle said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



i wanna see more!! biggrin

i'm still not convinced that's her though, the pic file says youraslut....lol i don't don't think that's X's style. lol

I think her real name is Youras Lut. Lut is her married name, her maiden name was Kank.

nod

That's German, right?
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Reply #25 posted 05/02/09 4:55am

LleeLlee

XxAxX said:

i figure this may be the closest i'll come to actually posting my picture online eek biggrin




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eek

I dont think is is, but if it is, this the first time since every incarnation of the Org began.
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Reply #26 posted 05/02/09 6:19am

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sinisterpentatonic said:

ocean said:


woot! pretty!! ....I never seen u before ...why did I think u were a guy ...lol ..stupid bloody org


i wanna see more!! biggrin

i'm still not convinced that's her though, the pic file says youraslut....lol i don't don't think that's X's style. lol



it's some other 'xxaxx' on the ineternet confused i'm better looking than that, not so chubby big grin and, my feathers are a prettier yellow
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Reply #27 posted 05/02/09 6:20am

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mcmeekle said:

sinisterpentatonic said:



i wanna see more!! biggrin

i'm still not convinced that's her though, the pic file says youraslut....lol i don't don't think that's X's style. lol

I think her real name is Youras Lut. Lut is her married name, her maiden name was Kank.

nod


batting eyes stop it, you sweet talker
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Reply #28 posted 05/02/09 6:22am

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Byron said:

mcmeekle said:


I think her real name is Youras Lut. Lut is her married name, her maiden name was Kank.

nod

That's German, right?


it's pronounced the same in any language biggrin ex ex ay ex ex
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Reply #29 posted 05/02/09 6:24am

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LleeLlee said:

XxAxX said:

i figure this may be the closest i'll come to actually posting my picture online eek biggrin




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eek

I dont think is is, but if it is, this the first time since every incarnation of the Org began.


no dear, it's not me. :phew: it's a random upload of another xxaxx on photobucket which truck me as amusing when the link was forwarded to my email address

now, if only i could get that other xxaxx to show some style confused
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