JustErin said:

Ok, go on...

MuthaFunka said:

SCNDLS said:

MuthaFunka said:

And she knows exactly what was gonna go down cuz all virginal, good girls think it's a good idea to go to a boxer's hotel room at 3 am "to talk."

SCNDLS said:

Hey, in her defense:

- She didn't know who Mike Tyson was...even though he was ONLY the heavyweight champ at one point, and married to Robin Givens

- She was just 18

- She believes in unicorns

SCNDLS said:

yeah that's a good point but i thought it was attempted rape? i thought nothing came of it cuz there was not an actual rape but rather a domestic assault.
I mean you can't get a rape conviction unless there's some evidence. it aint like stalking, stealing or fighting. the lab gets involved, then there's hotel staff as witnesses, evidence left in his room. I mean if she just had consensual sex with him then there's no reason to cry rape. She coulda been his jumpoff chick or side chick and got paid anyway.

MuthaFunka said:

And fairies too.

DesireeNevermind said:

When she said he laid her on the bed, stood at the end of the bed, elevated her, and ate her coochie, upside down, against her will that's about when I stopped giving her ANY credibility on the rape accusation. But, ummmmm, shiiiiitttt, if a brutha can do all that he can HAVE the pussy and I ain't calling no cops.

SCNDLS said:

Do you think anybody is saying there wasn't an expectation sex? I'd like to see someone expect sex from your ass and then try and take it. You would be sayin the same thing I am! Expectations be damned, whatever the intent is if she didn't want it then she shouldn't have to just because there was some expection.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I'm basing my opinion of an expectation of sex on the conversations they had BEFORE she even went there. He was lewd and crass in his convo to her throughout the day. So for her to say on the stand that she went up there at that time to talk and had no intention of fucking is some bullshit. And best believe if I go to a man's hotel room at 3 am there's some fucking going on or else I'ma keep my ass at home.

I've been in this SAME situation where I got a call from a famous athlete, at 3 am, to meet him at his hotel room. He was fine, rich, famous, and into my black ass. But guess what??? Because I didn't even wanna deal with the sexual overtones of the situation I told him no thanks to the invitation, but I'll take those tickets to the game, playa!

SCNDLS said:

And this guy:

SCNDLS said:

SCNDLS said:

SCNDLS you R crazy um...how do you eat a coochie upside down if ur both right side up? dammit chile look what you got me thinking.

MuthaFunka said:

tranny sasquatch cuz he look like he got boobs!!

DesireeNevermind said:

I will NEVER forget her describing that shit on the stand.

The way it sounded was that she's lying on the bed, he's standing at the foot of the bed and lifts her body off the bed in midair. Shit all I could say was

DesireeNevermind said:

Oh shit!

SCNDLS said:

allz i can say is that's the best move he got

DesireeNevermind said:

Nah, his right hook was betta.

wow... last time I saw this thread it had 11 replies!


lol and I left the house shakin my head writing my response in my mind...
but the girls here have said everything I could have said.

MuthaFunka said:

Then why even make the point of comparing the two of them?

Bottom line is, any dude is capable of raping a woman and it doesn't matter if you've known the dude for 10 minutes, or 10 months or 10 years.

In fact, most rapes are done by men that the women knows...but I suppose we can place some responsibility on her for getting to know the guy in the first place, right?

JustErin said:

Because DesireeNevermind brought them up together in her post.

And yes, any dude is capable of rape. Even MORE of a reason to use better judgment than to go to a strange man's hotel room. ANY man is capable.

And when did Desiree KNOW Tyson? How does that make any sense in this thread?

Since there are people avoiding my questions that I pose for this case - for the obvious reasons - I'll rest my case on this:

For any woman here thinking it's "cute" or "normal" to go to a strange man's hotel room, at ANY time of the day, they need to really slow their roll. And I hope to hell that they aren't passing (or planning to pass) this act on to their daughters/nieces. Y'all are playing with fire, and acting as if it's STILL not an unsafe thing to do. Basically it's asking for "someone else's" (that strange man) to take on the responsibility to protect you. Wrong. Real damn wrong. Be lucky you guys are still here and hopefully nothing serious ever happened to you.

MuthaFunka said:

Most don't go to hotels with men they just met but many of them go to their homes or have them go to theirs. This is what happens with a one night stand - something that is extremely common, something that you have admitted to doing yourself.

Hotel, your house, their house, your friend's house, where ever - there is no difference.

And again, knowing someone for 5 minutes or 5 weeks can make no difference either. Actually, since rapes are more often committed by a man that knows you, you're less likely to be raped by someone you just met. That's not me saying going with a stranger is a good idea, I'm just saying that any man can decide to just take it if you change your mind - and in no way does that make the person that was raped responsible for being raped. You can't say, well some circumstances the woman is partly to blame and others she's not.

As for this case, I never said she was or wasn't raped. I was just commenting on the she's partly responsible comments. She is responsible for deciding to go off with him, but that's where it stops and that has nothing to do with her being responsible in some way for getting raped (or not).

MuthaFunka said:

that sounds reasonable enuf

here's the B side

For Any man to expect that a woman coming to see him at any time of day and in any place is interested in and therefore offering sex need to really slow his roll. And I hope they aren't passing or planning to pass this nonsense thinking on to their sons. Y'all are playing with fire and putting yourselves at risk for being accused of rape and being convicted of rape.

Any man thinking a woman can't be interested in sex with you when she walks thru the door and then uninterested 5 minutes later is delusional. Men, just like women have to protect themselves when dealing with someone they don't know. Just cuz you want it doesn't mean you get to have it. Even if ur about to stick it in there...if ol gal has a change of heart or suddenly sobers up then you need to respect that for your own safety and let her get her ass out yo crib or you get out of hers. The moment sex becomes un-consensual, both parties are at risk of something very bad happening. And to all the fellas, aint no ass worth doing hard time in prison. And to all the ladies, aint no dick or money worth ruining your own reputation or ruining another woman's chance to seek justice when she's honestly been attacked.

DesireeNevermind said:

Agreed. In these cases - BOTH PARTIES bear responsibility and accountability.

MuthaFunka said:

What is a rape victims "accountability"? You still haven't answered this.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Simply being there.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Soop. Give up, bruh. You just aren't getting this. Hey, it happens.

MuthaFunka said:

I get that you don't understand your own arguments. It's not the first time and it sure as hell won't be the last

:FAIL:

I remember the story....

1.Desiree was warned by co-contestants about Mr. Tyson because he frequented pageants looking for ass. She was warned by at least three other women all who showed up at the trial.

2. Mike took her and a few other ladies sight seeing that day in a limo... wined and dined her. She said she had a blast, they kissed and flirted and was seen doing this by witnesses.... left her camera in his possession (I think in said limo).

3. He calls he later, she claims she goes to retrieve her camera only at 3am. in the hotel room. Where she says she was raped.

Problem with her story was that she was NOT raped by Tyson... but but his enterage (sp?) of body guards that she had to fuck on her way to the camera or the door. I don't remember which, still it was a free for all on Desiree's coochie when she decided to stay at his room. At 3am... to get her camera in a room full of men that had too many cocktails and champagne.

Oh and yeah, I think she had sex with Tyson too (or maybe he just sucked her ). She left feeling humiliated and in torn clothes, no panties. But she couldn't prove who tore them off.
[Edited 4/23/09 17:22pm]