MuthaFunka said:

I have the conversation figured out. You're fucking confused!

MuthaFunka said:

You've never had a one night stand?

CarrieMpls said:

If you're in a bad neighborhood and you THEN decide to go into some strange person's HOUSE...Then you're responsible for your decision.

Again, I love how some people don't want to attribute ANY RESPONSIBILITY to this woman in this case. Unbelievable.

MuthaFunka said:

People DO want to hold her ass responsible for false claims of rape but the thing that is unbelievable is that you'd put any responsibility on a rape victim and not the rapist.

MuthaFunka said:

But what exactly is she responsible for? Being with someone at 3am or getting raped?

DesireeNevermind said:

Still not an excuse. At 18, you AT LEAST know that you don't go with strangers. We learn that at age 5.

MuthaFunka said:

But following your logic, that's exactly what you're saying.

JustErin said:

Yes, I feel that way about ANY woman that decides to go to a stranger's hotel room. I got one - Craigslist Killer, anyone?

MuthaFunka said:

Exactly. My beef with her ass is that she has the nerve to insist that she had no intention of fucking him and went ONLY to talk. Again I ask, to talk to Mike Tyson, at 3 AM, in his hotel room??? Really??? Get the fuck outta here with that bullSHIT.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Naw, dawg...you're just emotional right about now. Relax. Take in the scene. Talk to Gray for a bit.

JustErin said:

Yep. Guess what - THAT WAS MY RESPONSIBILITY. Right? Again, grown people can do whatever they fuck they choose...just understand that with every action comes a reaction, and not all the time that reaction is a positive one, especially when the scene itself is already shady.

Graycap23 said:

Now, I think Kobe's case is a lil different than Mike's. Homegirl had EVERY intention of fucking as she told other people of her plan to, but I think in THIS instance he did something she did not agree to like anal. This is different IMO.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

How do you know they were falso claims? Show me proof of that.

MuthaFunka said:

So if a woman's not willing to have sex, she should never be alone with a man, period. Otherwise, she will be responsible if she gets raped.

MuthaFunka said:

Ok. Let's flip this then.

You invite some chick over at 3:00 a.m. She cries rape, but you had totally consentual sex.

Is it your fault?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Didn't you say in your first post you didn't think he raped her?

JustErin said:

Here's HER responsibility in this case:

1 - Going to the room of a stranger
2 - Going to the room of a stranger at 3am
3 - Going to the room of a known abuser with a violent past

That's where HER responsibility - that we know of - stops. After that, it's all speculation on our parts.

MuthaFunka said:

I should have said if she is falsely claiming rape. Almost everyone here believes she was not raped.

CarrieMpls said:

Then you've been following someone ELSE'S logic, cuz that ain't mine.

He didn't rape her. Robin Givens helped create the climate of abuse/rape around Mike (from their lil bullshit marriage) prior to him hookin up with that woman. She (Desiree Washington) just took advantage of it and ran with it. Good documentary.
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SCNDLS said:

Hey! Lots of women go back to the room with strange men....that's not THE WOMAN'S RESPONSIBILITY!

CarrieMpls said:

Is THAT what you took away from the "Craigslist Killer" reference? Oh lawd! God, lay hands on carrie - PLEASE!

SCNDLS said:

At this point we aren't even talking about her! Funka is making broad statements about women that now include Erin and Carrie. The topic is now way beyond this broad.

MuthaFunka said:

It is if you follow your words to the logical conclusion.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

No. THAT responsibility is on HER. That's HER game, not mine. Now, did I FORCE her to come by? Nope. She came under her own power....HER DECISION = HER RESPONSIBILITY.

SCNDLS said:

I'm onlt talking about being falsely accused.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Funka, ADDRESS.

seems like too many people think rape is just something that happens in a dark alley with some guy you never met.

most rape victims know their attackers. many rapists seem like normal guys to everyone else.

I think Mike got a pass cuz he was the numero uno heavy weight boxing champ at the time and washington was just some girl.


didn't mike say in an interview that he liked to hear women "squeal"? didn't he threaten to eat or beat a competitor's kids? he was and still is IMO a loose cannon and the idea of him raping somebody, probably while he was high and intoxicated which is why he thinks he didn't do it, is not surprising to me at all.

did n't she leave the country and legally change her name too? damn this old ass shit.

MuthaFunka said:

She is the one who is victimizing you and rightly the shit is her fault but a woman who is victimized you want to place the responsibility on her. What the holy hell?

MuthaFunka said:

Yes, but you invited her. If a woman would be responsible for her own rape simply for showing up to a man's room at 3am then you are JUST as responsible for any claims a woman may have for coming to your hotel room at 3am. I mean, you don't even know her. She could do or accuse you of anything.