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MuthaFunka said: JustErin said: So what? Dude starts acting rough with her, wanting to do some shit she doesn't want to do and she has no right to then say 'no'? Even if a woman has the intention to have sex with someone and then changes her mind (for whatever reason) her 'no' must stand. If it doesn't. It's rape. Well, that's the problem - a lot of women don't wanna take responsibility for THEIR action in cases like this. The solution - Don't take ya fast ass over there in the first place. That GUARANTEES that nothing happens - consensual or not. It's Mike fuckin' Tyson, not Mike fuckin' Jackson. RESPONSIBILITY????? You have got to be kidding me. Now, I know what good common sense is, I also know that no means no means no means no. There's only ONE person responsible for a rape and it damn sure isn't the victim. |
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MuthaFunka said: JustErin said: So what? Dude starts acting rough with her, wanting to do some shit she doesn't want to do and she has no right to then say 'no'? Even if a woman has the intention to have sex with someone and then changes her mind (for whatever reason) her 'no' must stand. If it doesn't. It's rape. Well, that's the problem - a lot of women don't wanna take responsibility for THEIR action in cases like this. The solution - Don't take ya fast ass over there in the first place. That GUARANTEES that nothing happens - consensual or not. It's Mike fuckin' Tyson, not Mike fuckin' Jackson. Take responsibility??? Wtf does that mean. So some dude starts to go mental in terms of what gets him off sexually and she then wants no part of it and somehow the woman is partly to blame for being in that situation? Please. 'No' means 'no'. I don't fucking care if your dick is half way in. You immediately stop. You don't. You're a rapist. By your logic, no woman should ever go with ANY dude at ANY time because if she does, she risks getting raped and if she does, she's partly responsible because she was well...simply put...there. Again. please. | |
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CarrieMpls said: MuthaFunka said: Well, that's the problem - a lot of women don't wanna take responsibility for THEIR action in cases like this. The solution - Don't take ya fast ass over there in the first place. That GUARANTEES that nothing happens - consensual or not. It's Mike fuckin' Tyson, not Mike fuckin' Jackson. RESPONSIBILITY????? You have got to be kidding me. Now, I know what good common sense is, I also know that no means no means no means no. There's only ONE person responsible for a rape and it damn sure isn't the victim. There is something to be said about avoiding situations but it really doesn't matter if there is an expectation of sex. if someone ultimately doesn't want to have it that really should be the bottom line. This is male entitlement at its worst. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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JustErin said: MuthaFunka said: Well, that's the problem - a lot of women don't wanna take responsibility for THEIR action in cases like this. The solution - Don't take ya fast ass over there in the first place. That GUARANTEES that nothing happens - consensual or not. It's Mike fuckin' Tyson, not Mike fuckin' Jackson. Take responsibility??? Wtf does that mean. So some dude starts to go mental in terms of what gets him off sexually and she then wants no part of it and somehow the woman is partly to blame for being in that situation? Please. 'No' means 'no'. I don't fucking care if your dick is half way in. You immediately stop. You don't. You're a rapist. By your logic, no woman should ever go with ANY dude at ANY time because if she does, she risks getting raped and if she does, she's partly responsible because she was well...simply put...there. Again. please. Especially since men think about sex all day long! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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CarrieMpls said: MuthaFunka said: Well, that's the problem - a lot of women don't wanna take responsibility for THEIR action in cases like this. The solution - Don't take ya fast ass over there in the first place. That GUARANTEES that nothing happens - consensual or not. It's Mike fuckin' Tyson, not Mike fuckin' Jackson. RESPONSIBILITY????? You have got to be kidding me. Now, I know what good common sense is, I also know that no means no means no means no. There's only ONE person responsible for a rape and it damn sure isn't the victim.  | |
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JustErin said: 'No' means 'no'. I don't fucking care if your dick is half way in. You immediately stop. You don't. You're a rapist. | |
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CarrieMpls said: MuthaFunka said: Well, that's the problem - a lot of women don't wanna take responsibility for THEIR action in cases like this. The solution - Don't take ya fast ass over there in the first place. That GUARANTEES that nothing happens - consensual or not. It's Mike fuckin' Tyson, not Mike fuckin' Jackson. RESPONSIBILITY????? You have got to be kidding me. Now, I know what good common sense is, I also know that no means no means no means no. There's only ONE person responsible for a rape and it damn sure isn't the victim. Who made the decision to go over there? WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY WAS THAT? Again, in THIS case, THAT responsibility falls SOLELY ON HER. This isn't about ALL RAPES. THIS IS ONLY ABOUT THIS CASE! nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: CarrieMpls said: RESPONSIBILITY????? You have got to be kidding me. Now, I know what good common sense is, I also know that no means no means no means no. There's only ONE person responsible for a rape and it damn sure isn't the victim. Who made the decision to go over there? WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY WAS THAT? Again, in THIS case, THAT responsibility falls SOLELY ON HER. This isn't about ALL RAPES. THIS IS ONLY ABOUT THIS CASE! I'm with the girls. WHAT THE PHUC?  
Rape is always the responsibility of the rapist. People make bad judgement calls all the time and that doesn't mean they deserve what happened to them. If a woman is supposed to be responsible for making good judgement calls then a man is responsible to make them as well! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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MuthaFunka said: CarrieMpls said: RESPONSIBILITY????? You have got to be kidding me. Now, I know what good common sense is, I also know that no means no means no means no. There's only ONE person responsible for a rape and it damn sure isn't the victim. Who made the decision to go over there? WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY WAS THAT? Again, in THIS case, THAT responsibility falls SOLELY ON HER. This isn't about ALL RAPES. THIS IS ONLY ABOUT THIS CASE! I don't care if she went over there, took off all her clothes and danced naked, skipping around the room singing the star splangled banner. If you say "No, you can't put your dick in me" then that's it. Case closed. End of story. |
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JustErin said: MuthaFunka said: Well, that's the problem - a lot of women don't wanna take responsibility for THEIR action in cases like this. The solution - Don't take ya fast ass over there in the first place. That GUARANTEES that nothing happens - consensual or not. It's Mike fuckin' Tyson, not Mike fuckin' Jackson. Take responsibility??? Wtf does that mean. So some dude starts to go mental in terms of what gets him off sexually and she then wants no part of it and somehow the woman is partly to blame for being in that situation? Please. 'No' means 'no'. I don't fucking care if your dick is half way in. You immediately stop. You don't. You're a rapist. By your logic, no woman should ever go with ANY dude at ANY time because if she does, she risks getting raped and if she does, she's partly responsible because she was well...simply put...there. Again. please. Why is she over there at 3AM? She JUST met the dude. She knows NOTHING about him. He has MENTAL ISSUES. Robin Givens has PUBLICY STATED HE PUT HANDS ON HER. What more does this chick need to know that THIS MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA? SHE'S responsible for going over there. No one else. He didn't force her to go over there. Now, the rest is pure speculation on whether or not a rape occured, but one thing's for damn sure - SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GOING TO HIS ROOM. No one else but her. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: MuthaFunka said: Who made the decision to go over there? WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY WAS THAT? Again, in THIS case, THAT responsibility falls SOLELY ON HER. This isn't about ALL RAPES. THIS IS ONLY ABOUT THIS CASE! I'm with the girls. WHAT THE PHUC?
Rape is always the responsibility of the rapist. People make bad judgement calls all the time and that doesn't mean they deserve what happened to them. If a woman is supposed to be responsible for making good judgement calls then a man is responsible to make them as well! Again - IN THIS CASE the warning signs were clear as day. ANYONE who doesn't see it that way is destined to be put in fucked up situations all because of their own doing. Period. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: JustErin said: Take responsibility??? Wtf does that mean. So some dude starts to go mental in terms of what gets him off sexually and she then wants no part of it and somehow the woman is partly to blame for being in that situation? Please. 'No' means 'no'. I don't fucking care if your dick is half way in. You immediately stop. You don't. You're a rapist. By your logic, no woman should ever go with ANY dude at ANY time because if she does, she risks getting raped and if she does, she's partly responsible because she was well...simply put...there. Again. please. Why is she over there at 3AM? She JUST met the dude. She knows NOTHING about him. He has MENTAL ISSUES. Robin Givens has PUBLICY STATED HE PUT HANDS ON HER. What more does this chick need to know that THIS MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA? SHE'S responsible for going over there. No one else. He didn't force her to go over there. Now, the rest is pure speculation on whether or not a rape occured, but one thing's for damn sure - SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GOING TO HIS ROOM. No one else but her. You don't know she was aware of all those "facts". going to someone's room isn't a free pass to rape them. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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CarrieMpls said: MuthaFunka said: Who made the decision to go over there? WHOSE RESPONSIBILITY WAS THAT? Again, in THIS case, THAT responsibility falls SOLELY ON HER. This isn't about ALL RAPES. THIS IS ONLY ABOUT THIS CASE! I don't care if she went over there, took off all her clothes and danced naked, skipping around the room singing the star splangled banner. If you say "No, you can't put your dick in me" then that's it. Case closed. End of story. And that's why the situation arose. Again, if a person chooses NOT to use COMMONS SENSE, then more than likely they're gonna put themself in a fucked up situation. I trip off how some of y'all feel she bears ZERO RESPONSIBILITY. Maybe that's the problem right there. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: JustErin said: Take responsibility??? Wtf does that mean. So some dude starts to go mental in terms of what gets him off sexually and she then wants no part of it and somehow the woman is partly to blame for being in that situation? Please. 'No' means 'no'. I don't fucking care if your dick is half way in. You immediately stop. You don't. You're a rapist. By your logic, no woman should ever go with ANY dude at ANY time because if she does, she risks getting raped and if she does, she's partly responsible because she was well...simply put...there. Again. please. Why is she over there at 3AM? She JUST met the dude. She knows NOTHING about him. He has MENTAL ISSUES. Robin Givens has PUBLICY STATED HE PUT HANDS ON HER. What more does this chick need to know that THIS MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA? SHE'S responsible for going over there. No one else. He didn't force her to go over there. Now, the rest is pure speculation on whether or not a rape occured, but one thing's for damn sure - SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GOING TO HIS ROOM. No one else but her. NONE of that matters. No means no. If you think anything you mentioned above changes the fact that no means no...well, that's terrifying. | |
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JustErin said: MuthaFunka said: Why is she over there at 3AM? She JUST met the dude. She knows NOTHING about him. He has MENTAL ISSUES. Robin Givens has PUBLICY STATED HE PUT HANDS ON HER. What more does this chick need to know that THIS MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA? SHE'S responsible for going over there. No one else. He didn't force her to go over there. Now, the rest is pure speculation on whether or not a rape occured, but one thing's for damn sure - SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GOING TO HIS ROOM. No one else but her. NONE of that matters. No means no. If you think anything you mentioned above changes the fact that no means no...well, that's terrifying. NONE OF IT None. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: MuthaFunka said: Why is she over there at 3AM? She JUST met the dude. She knows NOTHING about him. He has MENTAL ISSUES. Robin Givens has PUBLICY STATED HE PUT HANDS ON HER. What more does this chick need to know that THIS MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA? SHE'S responsible for going over there. No one else. He didn't force her to go over there. Now, the rest is pure speculation on whether or not a rape occured, but one thing's for damn sure - SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GOING TO HIS ROOM. No one else but her. You don't know she was aware of all those "facts". going to someone's room isn't a free pass to rape them. And that's all there is to it. |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: MuthaFunka said: Why is she over there at 3AM? She JUST met the dude. She knows NOTHING about him. He has MENTAL ISSUES. Robin Givens has PUBLICY STATED HE PUT HANDS ON HER. What more does this chick need to know that THIS MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA? SHE'S responsible for going over there. No one else. He didn't force her to go over there. Now, the rest is pure speculation on whether or not a rape occured, but one thing's for damn sure - SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GOING TO HIS ROOM. No one else but her. You don't know she was aware of all those "facts". going to someone's room isn't a free pass to rape them. Ok, let's say she didn't even KNOW who Tyson was...was it STILL SMART to go over to a STANGE MAN'S HOTEL ROOM THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW AT 3AM? What SANE woman does that? Let's poll the women here: How many women here would go to the hotel room at 3AM of a man she just met hours ago? nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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JustErin said: MuthaFunka said: Why is she over there at 3AM? She JUST met the dude. She knows NOTHING about him. He has MENTAL ISSUES. Robin Givens has PUBLICY STATED HE PUT HANDS ON HER. What more does this chick need to know that THIS MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA? SHE'S responsible for going over there. No one else. He didn't force her to go over there. Now, the rest is pure speculation on whether or not a rape occured, but one thing's for damn sure - SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GOING TO HIS ROOM. No one else but her. NONE of that matters. No means no. If you think anything you mentioned above changes the fact that no means no...well, that's terrifying. worse is how many here have this mindset. It's the whole reason why Chris Brown and other abusers are excused by the public. No clue. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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JustErin said: MuthaFunka said: Why is she over there at 3AM? She JUST met the dude. She knows NOTHING about him. He has MENTAL ISSUES. Robin Givens has PUBLICY STATED HE PUT HANDS ON HER. What more does this chick need to know that THIS MIGHT NOT BE A GOOD IDEA? SHE'S responsible for going over there. No one else. He didn't force her to go over there. Now, the rest is pure speculation on whether or not a rape occured, but one thing's for damn sure - SHE WAS RESPONSIBLE FOR GOING TO HIS ROOM. No one else but her. NONE of that matters. No means no. If you think anything you mentioned above changes the fact that no means no...well, that's terrifying. Wrong. It DOES matter. So you'd go over to Tyson's room at 3AM. You didn't know him at all...You'd go over there? Why would you do that? nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: You don't know she was aware of all those "facts". going to someone's room isn't a free pass to rape them. Ok, let's say she didn't even KNOW who Tyson was...was it STILL SMART to go over to a STANGE MAN'S HOTEL ROOM THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW AT 3AM? What SANE woman does that? Let's poll the women here: How many women here would go to the hotel room at 3AM of a man she just met hours ago?  I would and have. And so have millions of other women. Whether it be to a hotel room, or the guys place or even their place. | |
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No means no.....but that was NOT the case here. She was just mad bacause Mike would not walk her out when he was done. Not 2 mention, her same exact accuations against a previous boyfriend a few years earlier. | |
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Graycap23 said: No means no.....but that was NOT the case here. She was just mad bacause Mike would not walk her out when he was done. Not 2 mention, her same exact accuations against a previous boyfriend a few years earlier.
I don't think you're going to find one person who thinks this woman was telling the truth. We are dealing with 2 separate issues. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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JustErin said: MuthaFunka said: Ok, let's say she didn't even KNOW who Tyson was...was it STILL SMART to go over to a STANGE MAN'S HOTEL ROOM THAT SHE DIDN'T KNOW AT 3AM? What SANE woman does that? Let's poll the women here: How many women here would go to the hotel room at 3AM of a man she just met hours ago? I would and have. And so have millions of other women. Whether it be to a hotel room, or the guys place or even their place. Wow. Unbelievable. That's about as dangerous as it gets. Wow.nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Graycap23 said: No means no.....but that was NOT the case here. She was just mad bacause Mike would not walk her out when he was done. Not 2 mention, her same exact accuations against a previous boyfriend a few years earlier.
I don't think you're going to find one person who thinks this woman was telling the truth. We are dealing with 2 separate issues. What are the 2 separate issues? I'm only talking about THIS CASE. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: JustErin said: NONE of that matters. No means no. If you think anything you mentioned above changes the fact that no means no...well, that's terrifying. Wrong. It DOES matter. So you'd go over to Tyson's room at 3AM. You didn't know him at all...You'd go over there? Why would you do that? Maybe because at first I did want to have sex with him...but then I changed my mind. It's my basic human right to decide what happens to my body no matter what my initial intentions were. | |
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MuthaFunka said: JustErin said: I would and have. And so have millions of other women. Whether it be to a hotel room, or the guys place or even their place. Wow. Unbelievable. That's about as dangerous as it gets. Wow.And it happens all the time without ending up in rape. As usual, the oness is placed solely on women. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: Graycap23 said: No means no.....but that was NOT the case here. She was just mad bacause Mike would not walk her out when he was done. Not 2 mention, her same exact accuations against a previous boyfriend a few years earlier.
I don't think you're going to find one person who thinks this woman was telling the truth. We are dealing with 2 separate issues.  | |
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MuthaFunka said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I don't think you're going to find one person who thinks this woman was telling the truth. We are dealing with 2 separate issues. What are the 2 separate issues? I'm only talking about THIS CASE. If a woman deserves rape. If this woman was raped. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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JustErin said: MuthaFunka said: Wrong. It DOES matter. So you'd go over to Tyson's room at 3AM. You didn't know him at all...You'd go over there? Why would you do that? Maybe because at first I did want to have sex with him...but then I changed my mind. It's my basic human right to decide what happens to my body no matter what my initial intentions were. exactly exactly exactly |
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MuthaFunka said: JustErin said: I would and have. And so have millions of other women. Whether it be to a hotel room, or the guys place or even their place. Wow. Unbelievable. That's about as dangerous as it gets. Wow.Give me a fucking break. 
People randomly hook up every day. This isn't some seedy, omg, no one does that behaviour. News flash - it's called having a one night stand. I suppose you've never had one then. Or, oh wait, maybe it's ok for you to do it because you don't have to worry about being raped like women do. | |
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