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Reply #360 posted 04/23/09 6:53pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

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Okay, so hypothetically speaking, let me pose this scenario to you:

A woman who is fully aware of Mike's past, was warned by others to stay away from him, and he told her when they met he was gonna fuck her. He calls her waking her up out of her sleep at 1:30 am and asks her to come over, she says no. He begs, she asks her roommate to go with her. Her roommate says, Hell Naw! And although she had no sexual interest in him, she decided to meet him in the lobby in her PJs and proceeds to go with him to his hotel room at 3 am. As a result, he rapes her. Do you think she bears ANY responsibility for placing herself in this precarious situation with a nut she knew was a nut in the first place?

We don't have to go there because I don't believe her either when she said she didn't think sex was involved, thus I don't believe that she was raped but a willing participant. I believe she saw dollar signs and that is what drove her.

I would question a woman's judgement but I still wouldn't in her face or anywhere say she deserved to be raped because she has fucked up judgement.

What's the difference between having fucked up judgment and bearing a share in the responsibility for exposing yourself to a dangerous situation?
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Reply #361 posted 04/23/09 6:55pm

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SCNDLS said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


We don't have to go there because I don't believe her either when she said she didn't think sex was involved, thus I don't believe that she was raped but a willing participant. I believe she saw dollar signs and that is what drove her.

I would question a woman's judgement but I still wouldn't in her face or anywhere say she deserved to be raped because she has fucked up judgement.

What's the difference between having fucked up judgment and bearing a share in the responsibility for exposing yourself to a dangerous situation?


lol I can't WAIT to read THAT answer.
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Reply #362 posted 04/23/09 6:59pm

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Pathetic.....
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Reply #363 posted 04/23/09 7:03pm

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SCNDLS said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


We don't have to go there because I don't believe her either when she said she didn't think sex was involved, thus I don't believe that she was raped but a willing participant. I believe she saw dollar signs and that is what drove her.

I would question a woman's judgement but I still wouldn't in her face or anywhere say she deserved to be raped because she has fucked up judgement.

What's the difference between having fucked up judgment and bearing a share in the responsibility for exposing yourself to a dangerous situation?

in otherwords rape victims aren't victims. poor judgement or not I don't believe that.
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Reply #364 posted 04/23/09 7:04pm

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MuthaFunka said:

SCNDLS said:


What's the difference between having fucked up judgment and bearing a share in the responsibility for exposing yourself to a dangerous situation?


lol I can't WAIT to read THAT answer.

Something tells me them Orgnotes is on FIYAH!!! lol
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Reply #365 posted 04/23/09 7:05pm

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SCNDLS said:

MuthaFunka said:



lol I can't WAIT to read THAT answer.

Something tells me them Orgnotes is on FIYAH!!! lol

not one single not has left or hit my box lol
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Reply #366 posted 04/23/09 7:05pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SCNDLS said:


What's the difference between having fucked up judgment and bearing a share in the responsibility for exposing yourself to a dangerous situation?

in otherwords rape victims aren't victims. poor judgement or not I don't believe that.

No, those are YOUR words I did not say that. BUT do you not take precautions to avoid KNOWN dangerous situations?
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Reply #367 posted 04/23/09 7:06pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

SCNDLS said:


Something tells me them Orgnotes is on FIYAH!!! lol

not one single not has left or hit my box lol

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Reply #368 posted 04/23/09 7:06pm

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SCNDLS said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


in otherwords rape victims aren't victims. poor judgement or not I don't believe that.

No, those are YOUR words I did not say that. BUT do you not take precautions to avoid KNOWN dangerous situations?

what does bearing responsibility mean to you? I take responsibility for my actions is an admission that i am the person in the wrong. A rape victim is the one who is wronged regardless.
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Reply #369 posted 04/23/09 7:10pm

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I believe that if Tyson had a good attorney like Johnnie Cochran (when he was alive), he would not serve a day in jail. Cochran knew how to manuver the legal system, and not only that, the whole case seems to be in his favor.
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Reply #370 posted 04/23/09 7:12pm

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

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No, those are YOUR words I did not say that. BUT do you not take precautions to avoid KNOWN dangerous situations?

what does bearing responsibility mean to you? I take responsibility for my actions is an admission that i am the person in the wrong. A rape victim is the one who is wronged regardless.

I'm not disputing that the rapist is at fault or in the wrong BUT I still believe that if you KNOWINGLY put yourself in a risky situation there is some amount of responsibility that you bear for even being there when you know the odds are that some shit might go down. shrug
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Reply #371 posted 04/23/09 7:13pm

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SCNDLS said:

MuthaFunka said:



lol I can't WAIT to read THAT answer.

Something tells me them Orgnotes is on FIYAH!!! lol


lol Like a bonfire on the sun!
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Reply #372 posted 04/23/09 7:16pm

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SCNDLS said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


what does bearing responsibility mean to you? I take responsibility for my actions is an admission that i am the person in the wrong. A rape victim is the one who is wronged regardless.

I'm not disputing that the rapist is at fault or in the wrong BUT I still believe that if you KNOWINGLY put yourself in a risky situation there is some amount of responsibility that you bear for even being there when you know the odds are that some shit might go down. shrug


Exactly. And that's exactly why no one answered my OTHER question: Why does SHE get a pass for NOT using common sense and instead putting herself in a bad situation but Mike doesn't that same pass for the SAME reasons? confuse

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Reply #373 posted 04/23/09 7:23pm

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The only way it can be linked to a woman is in the way she raises her son. That is it.

Anyone that thinks a woman needs to prevent rape in any other way is absolutely 100% wrong, wrong, wrong and their attitude is actually contributing towards this kind of violence towards women.


And maybe that's the problem right there - You feel the responsibility for rape prevention falls SOLELY AND ONLY ON THE MAN.

Sadly, there are people HERE who probably believe that. Wow.


So what role do you feel woman should play in preventing rape?
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Reply #374 posted 04/23/09 7:28pm

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JustErin said:

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And maybe that's the problem right there - You feel the responsibility for rape prevention falls SOLELY AND ONLY ON THE MAN.

Sadly, there are people HERE who probably believe that. Wow.


So what role do you feel woman should play in preventing rape?


She should take the proper and necessary precautions that would lessen her chances of being a victim. It's ALWAYS about precautionary measures when dealing with crime.

Take it like this, if your house gets robbed, are you just gonna blame the robbers and then NOT take necessary precautions to protect your house? You aren't gonna leave your windows and doors unlocked, right? Well, hell, your body is the ULTIMATE house and should ALWAYS be job 1 in terms of protection.

In Desiree's case, she left her doors unlocked and a robber saw opportunity and robbed her house.
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Reply #375 posted 04/23/09 7:31pm

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What did I start?! eek
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Reply #376 posted 04/23/09 7:33pm

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MuthaFunka said:

JustErin said:



So what role do you feel woman should play in preventing rape?


She should take the proper and necessary precautions that would lessen her chances of being a victim. It's ALWAYS about precautionary measures when dealing with crime.

Take it like this, if your house gets robbed, are you just gonna blame the robbers and then NOT take necessary precautions to protect your house? You aren't gonna leave your windows and doors unlocked, right? Well, hell, your body is the ULTIMATE house and should ALWAYS be job 1 in terms of protection.

In Desiree's case, she left her doors unlocked and a robber saw opportunity and robbed her house.


What role do you feel men should play in preventing rape?
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Reply #377 posted 04/23/09 7:39pm

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bboy87 said:

What did I start?! eek

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Reply #378 posted 04/23/09 7:46pm

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What did I start?! eek

rolleyes Whatevah, I know this was all in your plan. lol
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Reply #379 posted 04/23/09 7:47pm

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JustErin said:

MuthaFunka said:



She should take the proper and necessary precautions that would lessen her chances of being a victim. It's ALWAYS about precautionary measures when dealing with crime.

Take it like this, if your house gets robbed, are you just gonna blame the robbers and then NOT take necessary precautions to protect your house? You aren't gonna leave your windows and doors unlocked, right? Well, hell, your body is the ULTIMATE house and should ALWAYS be job 1 in terms of protection.

In Desiree's case, she left her doors unlocked and a robber saw opportunity and robbed her house.


What role do you feel men should play in preventing rape?


That's hard. Because rape is a crime of power and men and power go hand in hand. To get into a rapist's head is hard to do. Castration for offenders is always a good route. But to prevent men from raping...It's more so on that man to show restraint and resist that need for that particular power. Education is really the other alternative, especially on young men. Once they see the end result of their violation, hopefully it'll turn them off from that shit.
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Reply #380 posted 04/23/09 7:53pm

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MuthaFunka said:

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What role do you feel men should play in preventing rape?


That's hard. Because rape is a crime of power and men and power go hand in hand. To get into a rapist's head is hard to do. Castration for offenders is always a good route. But to prevent men from raping...It's more so on that man to show restraint and resist that need for that particular power. Education is really the other alternative, especially on young men. Once they see the end result of their violation, hopefully it'll turn them off from that shit.


What kind of education? What is it that they should learn when it comes to rape and preventing it?
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Reply #381 posted 04/23/09 7:57pm

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JustErin said:

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That's hard. Because rape is a crime of power and men and power go hand in hand. To get into a rapist's head is hard to do. Castration for offenders is always a good route. But to prevent men from raping...It's more so on that man to show restraint and resist that need for that particular power. Education is really the other alternative, especially on young men. Once they see the end result of their violation, hopefully it'll turn them off from that shit.


What kind of education? What is it that they should learn when it comes to rape and preventing it?


Respect for females. And they need to learn they gonna do some time if they DO go that route.
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Reply #382 posted 04/23/09 7:58pm

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Exactly. And that's exactly why no one answered my OTHER question: Why does SHE get a pass for NOT using common sense and instead putting herself in a bad situation but Mike doesn't that same pass for the SAME reasons? confuse

(And y'all gon' make me run outta posts, watch! lol)


Well, not using common sense in not illegal (unfortunately), but raping someone -- even if they are a grade A idiot -- is.
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Reply #383 posted 04/23/09 7:59pm

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SCNDLS said:

bboy87 said:

What did I start?! eek

rolleyes Whatevah, I know this was all in your plan. lol

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honestly, it wasn't





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Reply #384 posted 04/23/09 8:00pm

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jone70 said:

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Exactly. And that's exactly why no one answered my OTHER question: Why does SHE get a pass for NOT using common sense and instead putting herself in a bad situation but Mike doesn't that same pass for the SAME reasons? confuse

(And y'all gon' make me run outta posts, watch! lol)


Well, not using common sense in not illegal (unfortunately), but raping someone -- even if they are a grade A idiot -- is.


Agreed. But she still doesn't get a "pass" for it.
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Reply #385 posted 04/23/09 8:10pm

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MuthaFunka said:

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What kind of education? What is it that they should learn when it comes to rape and preventing it?


Respect for females. And they need to learn they gonna do some time if they DO go that route.


What does 'respect for females' exactly mean when discussing rape? In other words, what exactly do men need to learn when it comes to them being in that kind of situation?
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Reply #386 posted 04/23/09 8:27pm

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JustErin said:

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Respect for females. And they need to learn they gonna do some time if they DO go that route.


What does 'respect for females' exactly mean when discussing rape? In other words, what exactly do men need to learn when it comes to them being in that kind of situation?


What else could respect for females mean? Respect doesn't come in variety that I know of, unless you can tell me? Respect is respect. Respect her. Period. That covers everything including rape. Where's Aretha when I need her? lol

But if there's something in particular that you're getting at, go ahead and drop it on us.
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Reply #387 posted 04/23/09 8:32pm

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MuthaFunka said:

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What does 'respect for females' exactly mean when discussing rape? In other words, what exactly do men need to learn when it comes to them being in that kind of situation?


What else could respect for females mean? Respect doesn't come in variety that I know of, unless you can tell me? Respect is respect. Respect her. Period. That covers everything including rape. Where's Aretha when I need her? lol

But if there's something in particular that you're getting at, go ahead and drop it on us.


Just that respect her is pretty vague. Like how do you respect a woman when it comes to rape? Say please and thank you? Or respect meaning that no matter what position you're in with a woman, no means no.
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Reply #388 posted 04/23/09 8:39pm

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Pretty much. Booty Calls: After 11PM. Fact. cool


So what? Dude starts acting rough with her, wanting to do some shit she doesn't want to do and she has no right to then say 'no'?

Even if a woman has the intention to have sex with someone and then changes her mind (for whatever reason) her 'no' must stand. If it doesn't. It's rape.

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Reply #389 posted 04/23/09 11:56pm

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No wonder women are still getting abused and raped with this kind of attitude going on in the world. neutral
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