Ya'll are REALLY tripping me out.

When you drive, you wear a seatbelt to prevent dying in a car accident.

When you fuck, you wear a condom to prevent getting pregnant or an STD.

So, how does someone fail to apply the same concepts of common sense, safety, precaution, and self-preservation when it comes to going to the hotel room of a strange man with a violent history. (But like I said in THIS case I think she had consensual sex.)

Mutha hasn't said anywhere that any woman is at fault for being raped, however, if you place yourself in an unsafe situation why the surprise and outrage when some unsafe shit happens to you. Sure, anything can happen anywhere but when you knowingly put yourself in a risky situation you do hold some responsibility for being there in the first place when you KNEW there were risks.

I guess all you guys blame the white tiger for chomping down Roy's ass when he was just being a tiger.

MuthaFunka said:

The only way it can be linked to a woman is in the way she raises her son. That is it.

Anyone that thinks a woman needs to prevent rape in any other way is absolutely 100% wrong, wrong, wrong and their attitude is actually contributing towards this kind of violence towards women.

MuthaFunka said:

I stand corrected...

but yes in theory a woman should always be able to say stop and the man should stop, but that only works in theory... this is why date rapes happen in the first place.

It is better to not put yourself in harm's way.

JustErin said:

And maybe that's the problem right there - You feel the responsibility for rape prevention falls SOLELY AND ONLY ON THE MAN.

Sadly, there are people HERE who probably believe that. Wow.

MuthaFunka said:

I stand corrected...

but yes in theory a woman should always be able to say stop and the man should stop, but that only works in theory... this is why date rapes happen in the first place.

It is better to not put yourself in harm's way.

SCNDLS said:

OF GODDAMN COURS SCANDALOUS. JUST PLEASE

Mike tyson aint a wild Tiger, he's a man. And nobody isn't saying to NOT use common sense or what the hell ever but I suppose you didn't get to read his ridiculous answer that he would start yelling at a relative or friend and ridiculing her when she came to him that she was raped.

I mean for godsakes with this crap, for real.

MuthaFunka said:

In other words, she's to blame because she got raped. Blaming the victim, that's all you're doing. And I don't give a shit if you got cheerleaders backing your ass up WRONG!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

With a violent past, acriminal past, domestic violence, a mean streak, and mental issues. You forgot those "little things" but hey, that shouldn't stop a woman from going over to his spot at 3am, right?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Dude, just stop it. Your routine is old now. We get it - You feel ONLY men can prevent a rape and women don't need to take any precautions. Got it.

paintedlady said:

Oh god. This is the blanket response now? This "placing oneself in harms way" business is being applied to all women and all situations that usually do not end up in rape.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Many blanket responses being made here.... but I speak of going to a man's room, that has been flirting with you all day, is horny, and calls your ass in the middle on the night to fuck you and told you so earlier, and still go... you and I both know she wasn't raped.... if she was, she put herself in harms way. Not her fault for being there, but at what point do you trust a drunk man with a throbbing dick when you enter a room-> especially AFTER he sucks your pussy?

paintedlady said:

Well I agree with you on the tyson case It's just all the shit beyond that that's got my craw

SCNDLS said:

OF GODDAMN COURS SCANDALOUS. JUST PLEASE

Mike tyson aint a wild Tiger, he's a man. And nobody isn't saying to NOT use common sense or what the hell ever but I suppose you didn't get to read his ridiculous answer that he would start yelling at a relative or friend and ridiculing her when she came to him that she was raped.

I mean for godsakes with this crap, for real.

I would tell her like this:

"What in the fuck are you doing going to crazy-ass Mike Tyson's room at 3-muthafuckin-AM in the muthafuckin' morning to begin with?"

Why? Because THAT was the part SHE was in control of. The moment she threw out COMMON SENSE AND LOGIC and opted for STUPIDITY is the moment she gave up all her power and put her LIFE in the hands of a man she doesn't even know but knows has a checkered past.

MuthaFunka said:

Is it documented she knew every single detail about his life at the time this happened? Can you provide transcripts of her saying she knew he was violent, criminal, and mental?

Uh, no actually he said:

MuthaFunka said:

Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along. Does it absolve Mike of his actions IF he really raped her? No. BUT going to the room of a man who's profession is violent, is KNOWN for being violent towards women, is definitely not a common, everyday situation and is actually a VERY risky one. So she chose to ignore all of those flashing lights and placed herself in an unpredictable environment with an unstable individual. That to me is being irresponsible. Matter of fact, she's actually more at fault in THIS situation because she KNEW about his past and history and went anyway.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Actually she testified that she knew about his past. She even said so in her Barbara Walters interview. AND she was warned by her fellow contestants after they were introduced to stay the hell away from him. But she didn't.

MuthaFunka said:

Is it documented she knew every single detail about his life at the time this happened? Can you provide transcripts of her saying she knew he was violent, criminal, and mental?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

No. Now, can YOU provide evidence she DIDN'T? Now, here we have a famous boxer, that's been in trouble with the law many times, and has been declared a mani depressive. This was COMMON (There goes that word again - common ) KNOWLEDGE to the public, especially after his high profile marriage to Robin Givens. If you have info that can discount any of that, it's your floor.

Well I think she was a willing participant and cried foul for evil reasons. So we both believe, she wasn't a victim. It's gone so beyond the Tyson case and yeah, it's fucked up that his first response is to blame his sister instead of consoling her and saving the fucking lecture for a more appropriate time.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

So now you're back tracking, because we are talking specifically about the Tyson case.

paintedlady said:

Oh, don't trip. I've figured out that that's the ONLY way they can argue on this - Change the topic to ALL rape cases.

Uh, no actually he said:

MuthaFunka said:

Which is pretty much what I've been saying all along. Does it absolve Mike of his actions IF he really raped her? No. BUT going to the room of a man who's profession is violent, is KNOWN for being violent towards women, is definitely not a common, everyday situation and is actually a VERY risky one. So she chose to ignore all of those flashing lights and placed herself in an unpredictable environment with an unstable individual. That to me is being irresponsible. Matter of fact, she's actually more at fault in THIS situation because she KNEW about his past and history and went anyway.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

But if it's his hypothetical sister why he gotta be hypothetically sensitive???
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MuthaFunka said:

Uh yeah, you were talking about women in general INCLUDING JUSTERIN AND CARRIE. HELLO!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Nice try. But I only "went there" because EVERYONE ELSE - INCLUDING YOU -
went there" and couldn't keep it on topic, and the reason why is because Desiree's shit stank in this case .

SCNDLS said:

OK. I didn't know that. I still don't believe her.

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Okay, so hypothetically speaking, let me pose this scenario to you:

A woman who is fully aware of Mike's past, was warned by others to stay away from him, and he told her when they met he was gonna fuck her. He calls her waking her up out of her sleep at 1:30 am and asks her to come over, she says no. He begs, she asks her roommate to go with her. Her roommate says, Hell Naw! And although she had no sexual interest in him, she decided to meet him in the lobby in her PJs and proceeds to go with him to his hotel room at 3 am. As a result, he rapes her. Do you think she bears ANY responsibility for placing herself in this precarious situation with a nut she knew was a nut in the first place?

Quick question: Who here believes that Desiree would've still been raped had she NOT gone to Mike's room?

There will be people that will avoid this question like the plague, watch .