I remember the story....

1.Desiree was warned by co-contestants about Mr. Tyson because he frequented pageants looking for ass. She was warned by at least three other women all who showed up at the trial.

2. Mike took her and a few other ladies sight seeing that day in a limo... wined and dined her. She said she had a blast, they kissed and flirted and was seen doing this by witnesses.... left her camera in his possession (I think in said limo).

3. He calls he later, she claims she goes to retrieve her camera only at 3am. in the hotel room. Where she says she was raped.

Problem with her story was that she was NOT raped by Tyson... but but his enterage (sp?) of body guards that she had to fuck on her way to the camera or the door. I don't remember which, still it was a free for all on Desiree's coochie when she decided to stay at his room. At 3am... to get her camera in a room full of men that had too many cocktails and champagne.

Oh and yeah, I think she had sex with Tyson too (or maybe he just sucked her ). She left feeling humiliated and in torn clothes, no panties. But she couldn't prove who tore them off.
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paintedlady said:

No! You're getting this all wrong. She bears no responsibility because it's a normal occurence for women to go to strange men's rooms. Warnings don't matter. His history doesn't matter. She made a VERY SOUND JUDGMENT that night to which ALL women would've done - Go to Mike Tyson's hotel room at 3AM.

paintedlady said:

No! You're getting this all wrong. She bears no responsibility because it's a normal occurence for women to go to strange men's rooms. Warnings don't matter. His history doesn't matter. She made a VERY SOUND JUDGMENT that night to which ALL women would've done - Go to Mike Tyson's hotel room at 3AM.

MuthaFunka said:

You so don't get it.

No one is arguing that showing up to a strange man's hotel room in the middle of the night is the best idea in the world.

We are simply saying that does nto mean she is responsible for getting raped.

A victim is not responsible for being a victim.

that sounds reasonable enuf

here's the B side

For Any man to expect that a woman coming to see him at any time of day and in any place is interested in and therefore offering sex need to really slow his roll. And I hope they aren't passing or planning to pass this nonsense thinking on to their sons. Y'all are playing with fire and putting yourselves at risk for being accused of rape and being convicted of rape.

Any man thinking a woman can't be interested in sex with you when she walks thru the door and then uninterested 5 minutes later is delusional. Men, just like women have to protect themselves when dealing with someone they don't know. Just cuz you want it doesn't mean you get to have it. Even if ur about to stick it in there...if ol gal has a change of heart or suddenly sobers up then you need to respect that for your own safety and let her get her ass out yo crib or you get out of hers. The moment sex becomes un-consensual, both parties are at risk of something very bad happening. And to all the fellas, aint no ass worth doing hard time in prison. And to all the ladies, aint no dick or money worth ruining your own reputation or ruining another woman's chance to seek justice when she's honestly been attacked.

Agreed. In these cases - BOTH PARTIES bear responsibility and accountability.

MuthaFunka said:

So if your mother/sister/cousin/daughter went to a man's room at 3am and came back crying rape you would tell her, "well, you know you're responsble, right"? That would be your thought on the matter?

CarrieMpls said:

No, you guys STILL aren't getting it even AFTER admitting you guys FINALLY got it, and now you guys are BACK to "NOT GETTING IT".

She needs to accept HER RESPONSIBILITY in THIS PARTICULAR CASEcase. Now, who here DOESN'T understand what case is being discussed? It's the MIKE TYSON RAPE CASE. Not ANY other rape case. Now, this is one rape THAT COULD'VE BEEN AVOIDED BY ONE PERSON'S USE OF COMMON SENSE - Hers. And that common sense application would've been "Hey, I have NO IDEA what this man is capable of doing. I don't know him AT ALL. I'm by myself. He's a MASSIVE MAN that has been known to be violent, especially towards women. Maybe I should PASS this time".

Now, ANYONE who doesn't feel that that was HER MISTAKE IN THE FIRST PLACE really shouldn't be holding a discussion on this.

DesireeNevermind said:

Excellent points.

MuthaFunka said:

Hypothetical question for you:

You are invited, and accept to go to a woman's room (hotel, apartment, house, doesn't matter) whom you met only a few hours prior. She rapes you. Are you responsible for her raping you?

(Please do not answer with something like, "I'm too big/tall/muscular, whatever for a woman to rape me." This is hypothetical

Now, ANYONE who doesn't feel that that was HER MISTAKE IN THE FIRST PLACE really shouldn't be holding a discussion on this.

MuthaFunka said:

You're putting it right back on her. You are saying she - the victim - is responsible for being a victim. That is never the case.

MuthaFunka said:

You're putting it right back on her. You are saying she - the victim - is responsible for being a victim. That is never the case.

jone70 said:

Um, your whole hypothetical falls apart the moment you said "only a few hours". Nope. I'm not foolish enough to fall for the "oky doke" and pussy ain't worth THAT much.

MuthaFunka said:

whatEVER her previous mistakes were, being raped was not one of them.

the poor decisions she made are not the point. whether she has the right to say no once she's there is ENTIRELY the point

MuthaFunka said:

Hmm, but earlier in the thread you admitted to having one night stand(s). How long had you known the one night stand(s)?

CarrieMpls said:

Then you haven't been reading my points. At all. You're treating THIS RAPE CASE as if it's the SAME AS EVERY OTHER RAPE CASE and that's your error right there.

CarrieMpls said:

He will never, ever concede...pretty much with anything he's ever discussed.

There is no point, Carrie.

jone70 said:

How many have I had? Quick, answer.

MuthaFunka said:

Yes it is the same because a rape victim should not be made to feel like it was their fault if they were raped, regardless of whether the (alleged) rapist was a serial rapist or a virgin.

CarrieMpls said:

He will never, ever concede...pretty much with anything he's ever discussed.

There is no point, Carrie.

emm said:

Why is it some women don't feel that women need to be responsible? Where does this come from? SHE'S responsible for putting herself in a DUMB SITUATION. NO ONE can argue against that yet here some of you guys are just jumping SOLELY to the rape, as if nothing else before that even matters. No accountability. Wrong.

MuthaFunka said:

Not the point. That's why I put (s) behind it. I don't know (or care) how many you've had. The question was how long had you known said one night stand before having sex.

MuthaFunka said:

because if she hadn't been raped she'd be accountable for going to his room at 3am. tyson doesn't get a pass on rape just because of who he is. so no matter what he does for the rest of his life we say "oh, well... it's tyson. of course you should have known better" no. he is responsible for his actions. in this case his action was forcible non consensual sex.

CarrieMpls said:

I would tell her like this:

"What in the fuck are you doing going to crazy-ass Mike Tyson's room at 3-muthafuckin-AM in the muthafuckin' morning to begin with?"

So if she went there with JUST panties and a bra on and then said "No" but got raped anyway, you still don't beleive she should be held accountable for her actions? That makes sense to you? The ONLY thing that matters is that she got raped? How about discussing the PREVENTABLE ACTIONS NEXT TIME TO LESSEN THE CHANCE OF BEING RAPED?

JustErin said:

I don't concede when I'm right. Sorry, that's not something I practice, especially when I have yet to be shut down by anyone in this debate.

MuthaFunka said:

How infinitely sad for all the women in your life that THIS IS WHAT YOU SAY TO A WOMAN WHO HAS JUST BEEN RAPED. What a disgrace.

Quick question: Who here believes that Desiree would've still been raped had she NOT gone to Mike's room?

There will be people that will avoid this question like the plague, watch .

MuthaFunka said:

I can go to your room naked under a trench coat looking for non stop sex but if after I get there I decide I no longer want sex and tell you so but you force yourself on me, then you have RAPED me.

MuthaFunka said:

You were shut down long ago, you just fail to see it.