for you gays who are married and faithful to straights, do you get any hassle from other gays who are strictly gay? like are you ever acccused of being in denial or not representing? do they understand and resepct your relationships or do they give you a hard time? or do they even know?

I ask this b/c i think that former preacher Ted Haggart falls into this category. He said he was a straight man with homosexual tendencies which I interpret to mean that he's a gay guy who chooses to live a straight lifestyle. He's been married a long time to his wife and is faithful to her and use to preach to men about how to be good husbands. he got a lot of flack from gays who said he was in denial. I mean the straights forgave him after a time but I don't think the gays did. He appears to be content and in this HBO documentary I saw, his focus is strictly on his family. I just don't see him chasing dick ever again but gays i know swear he's gonna slip up.

interesting topic. I can honestly say I have vagina envy(not as far as womb envy) I love my penis but there's something about the thought of taking a guy from the front that's really erotic and stimulating to me... I'm a total bottom so maybe there's a connection? I've shared too much

matthewgrant said:

yeah you have

DesireeNevermind said:

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matthewgrant said:

so take him from the front!

matthewgrant said:

P.S. Ass and pussy have about as much in common as ears and ass. just cuz its a hole don't mean it feel the same or work the same. ima just sayin'

DesireeNevermind said:

oh well yeah i could have guessed just as much and feeling that difference is exactly what I want to experience. I was thinking more of a connection along the lines of strictly recieving being a result of vagina envy. workin' with what I got...
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Ottensen said:

Though marriage is, IMO, an outdated and backwards social tradition, I do fancy the idea of one day having a long term partner. As far of the issue of monogamy goes, I think that really comes down to the individuals involved and the situation. Sexual exclusivity is a nice idea, but it's not something that can work for all people at all times -and that's okay.

I've been in monogamous relationships before and it worked out fine at that time with that person. Right now I'm the "third" for a nonmonogamous but beautifully trusting and loving boy/girl couple, and it's working out just dandy for all of us.

DesireeNevermind said:

Sure I get crap from some LGBTs for not living within their conception of what a real gay man is. But this to no more a degree -- and certainly to not nearly as intrusive a degree from a policy standpoint -- than the crap I get from some heteros for simply existing beyond their conception of what a real man is.

I dare say Haggard doesn't catch criticism and doubt merely because he's married to a woman. He does because while he championed doctrine and political efforts that make the sexual prerogative of other thinking and perhaps far more faithful and law-abiding LGBTs fodder for public debate and condemnation, he enjoyed living out his own philandering sexuality in private. THEN when gay sex allegations highlighted his hypocrisy, he insulted the nation's intelligence with a succession of absurd denials. THEN when he realized no one was buying his spiel, he begrudgingly gave up some vague half-confession/half-denial, characterizing the encounter as a one-time slip-up and painting his accuser as a liar. THEN he proved so desperate to show how "straight" he'd become (despite the fact he'd never actually admitted to being anything other than straight), that he claimed "restoration" to a "completely heterosexual" state after only 3 weeks of therapy! THEN he was permanently released from ministry at his church when his restoration was later considered mysteriously incomplete?!? THEN not only did subsequent confessions come out confirming pretty much all of the known allegations... and their ongoing nature, but other reports surfaced by his own church that he engaged in an ongoing sexual relationship -- maybe even a non-consensual one -- with another male, one of his own young parishioners, who was paid off not to sue.

So... who knows? Maybe Haggard is over men these days. If he needs to be to remain faithful to his wife and quit making an ass of himself, I certainly pray the brother is. But I think you see why some folk, gay and straight, might not be willing to bet their lunch money on the strength of his word.

meow85 said:

Noooooww I understand where all these Sexy Time After Glow threads are coming from lately, it's almost like we can literally see you glowing and grinning off of the page

I have yet to watch this show. If my mate told me this I wouldn't be surprised,but if I wanted a woman well I would go with one. I'm not into Men who change to become FEMALE. I'm into MEN.

Ottensen said:

Oh, those are only for the really spectacular occasions.

If I was to start up a thread for every time I got nookie lately the forum would be flooded.

Lammastide said:

aahhh!!! so basically both herteros and homos got boxes they want people to fit into. As for Haggard, his name ultimately suited his circumstance. All kinds of sad there. Hell yeah those denials were absurd, and might I add humorous. "I went there for a massage"