2elijah said:

Exactly! DS or not

Vendetta1 said:

That would have been 2 hits from "team DS" though, that's not fair.

Cinnie said:

So the fair reaction in that case was a kick in the leg from the dad that didnt even put the kid with DS down....if that is your yard stick.

Vendetta1 said:

True, but...when you bring a child out in the public with DS or any other disability if that is a politically correct term to use, not everyone will understand their actions. My Ex has an autistic brother. I used to babysit him years ago. There were times when he was out in public and people were not aware of his condition. There were times when he got extremely excited over something he liked and people would react shocked, surprised not realizing his condition. So his brother and parents always kept him close in case something got him excited or scared him forcing him to react a certain way.

I'm sorry, Vendetta, but the one thing in my family..."You do not touch our children" that would set me off completely, and I'd be willing to go to jail for it too. I don't play that BS.


Years ago, my son was attacked and a boy stole his bike and hurt my son when he threw him off of it. Guess what, I bet that boy was sorry his ass picked on the wrong man's son, because my son's Dad and his Grandfather made sure of that, even the police agreed with them, and that's all I'll say about that.
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mdiver said:

Except the difference between THAT "kid with DS" and "toddler" is different in height, weight, force

purplemansionFL said:

He got KTFO! Classic!!

Cinnie said:

Precisely, the kid with DS didn't even put the 4 year old down...see how little he did or touched him, so the "fair" reaction by your yard stick is a touch equal to one that could not put a 4 year old down and yet he god KO'd .....hmmmm thanks for the heads up on your core tenets

mdiver said:

the "threat" was literally larger, so that's the difference

nice to know you let 4 year olds catch random beatdowns as long as it is from unprovoked grown-ass DS guys

Cinnie said:

Damn right, now what if he decided to smash that little kid's head across the counter or pick up something and throw it at him? You mean to tell me people would still think the guy with DS was right? His mother should have kept her eye on his ass, point blank. No excuses. It amazes me how some folks think it's ok for some 150 pound adult to kick a 4-year old. Cheers to the father of the 4 year old for protecting his child. The fact is, all he saw was some adult figure kicking his kid, and sprung into action. If after it was discovered the individual that did it, had a mental disability, then I'm sure sometime after he and the mother of the son with DS talked about it later. We only saw what was on the tape.

It was an unfortunate situation, and like I said, this is not the first time a parent reacts quickly to protect their child in situations like this from an individual or another child with a mental disability. Their first reaction is "protect." I'm pretty sure no one would intentionally attack a child/adult with a mental disability for no apparent reason, unless they are just someone who doesn't care about people in the first place.
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Cinnie said:

Ok then so the Dad should have kicked the DS kid with more force but not enough to put him down.....i your world, which he didn't...so it still isn't equal.


That was a beatdown in your world? I suggest that you maybe take your Mom out with you next time if that kick=a beatdown
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NO ONE is saying the kid with DS is right.

I am so fucking done with this subject.

Matter of fact there used to be this russian guy that lived in the same building as my nieces, about 5 years ago, that would just randomly touch females. Now, if you have your daughter with you, and some man in an elevator reached out and touched your daughter on her body...what would you do? Would you know immediately that this guy has a mental disability or would you think he's a pervert and bust his ass? You figure out.

My nieces pointed him out to me when I was visiting them, and stated that this guy would roam the hallways, and just reach out and try to touch females. They knew he had a mental disability, only because they knew what apartment he lived in, and often saw him with family members, but his family would still allow him to go for walks in the hallway by himself. Now a stranger or other residents, may not have known of this, and I guarantee you, they've reacted in defense when he tried to reach out and touch them (no pun intended). Anyway, I believe there were a lot of complaints from the residents, and apparently the family moved out.

Cinnie said:

Exactly! But instead of orgers coming to an understanding that the DS guy was THE real villain in this controversy, some of them want to blame the black father for defending his son against the DS guy that kick him first.

So the little boy was too loud while the DS guy was on the cell phone. So what? THAT is no excuse for kicking on a little child. Period. Point blank.

And if it was all about the noise, why in the hell didn't the DS guy just go outside the building to talk on his cell phone? IMHO, that would have been the only peaceful solution needed.

mdiver said:

And you keep saying that the kick wasn't anything. "It didn't put the kid down" like that makes a difference to the threat that was posed.

Cinnie said:

Co-sign.

Cinnie said:

The PRIME thing on the fathers mind SHOULD have been his child's welfare, short and long term. Are you telling me that the danger posed in THAT situation warranted that reaction, from a balanced member of society?

I love the caring way the father checked his son first, made sure he was cool before the decked the guy. I love the way that this "caring" father was actually far enough away to be out of shot and was not able to prevent the "attack" in the first place.

you guys are looking at this as someone with a disability that can't help their outbursts, I understand that.

i'm looking at it as some grown-ass person with no business coming near a 4-year-old with a kicking leg

obviously a 4-year-old can't push a grown-ass DS guy back, so someone better step in... obviously it's not going to be the mom at the cashier who is all "duhduhduh" during the whole incident

mdiver said:

he wasn't even that far behind! it's his fault that he is out of the video's shot? obviously the door is right there, and the toddler entered first.

Cinnie said:

Nice avoidance

mdiver said:

Well, "nice" making it the dad's fault somehow, when there was no reason for an attack from a stranger to happen in the first place.

TonyVanDam said:

What else is new Tony? It was an unfortunate situation, but the father had the right to defend his son. The guy with DS' mom should have been paying attention to her son. What if the guy with DS picked up a large object and smashed it on the kid? I guess some think that would have been okay too.
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mdiver said:

IrresistibleB1tch said:

Do i really want to move to the US?

Cinnie said:

Still no reply

mdiver said:

i'd like to think that the percentage of pro-KOing-the-disabled is somewhat skewed on this thread. if it isn't, i might as well put my head in the oven right now.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

I keep trying to remind him that the American org opinion is NOT the majority.
Thank fuck for that.

mdiver said:

That was another thing that you said that bugged me! Like the kicking incident was resolved as soon as the DS guy decided he was done. What?

And yes, you are taking the benefit of hindsight AND a sideways profile camera angle! How about seeing it from your scared toddler backing up from a grown-ass kicking leg?

IrresistibleB1tch said:

I sincerely hope so because judging by this thread then the US is FUCKED with a capital F, then again the "shoot first, ask questions later" ideal is nothing new now is it?

Hey Tony and Cinnie,

I'm glad the father of the 4-year old jumped into action and protected his kid against some 150 pound dude, but I'm beginning to believe there's another reason behind why some folks here, as usual, are trying to make the father of the 4-year old look like the bad guy. What else is new?

Fact is, the mother of the disabled son should have known her son's actions when she takes him out in public. I've seen parents with mentally-disabled children hold tight on their kids, because they know they are not in the mindset where they understand everything. Same thing with the people that work in residential homes of the mentally-disabled and take them out in the public for some fresh air. They hold tightly onto them to make sure they don't do things they are curious about. The mother should have kept her eye on him period then this incident would never have happened. I'm betting this is not the first time, but of course the father of the 4-year old will get the blame.
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mdiver said:

while it's not new, i really have not encountered many who would be so callous in real life.