SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

So it's OK for her to protect her child with violence but he is wrong for it?

Sowhat said:

So you see the absurdity of all this cheerleading?

JustErin said:

How so?

Sowhat said:

That's not what he is saying.

JustErin said:

Then what is he saying?

Sowhat said:

They have made the point that this cycle of violence (going by many people's reasoning) can be never ending...and the mother responding violently would have articulated their point perfectly.

Sowhat said:

See reply #331

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

It's not cheerleading. I am not advocating violence. As a parent, I can understand how the Father reacted. I very well might react the same way in the same situation.

Understanding and encouraging are two different things.

JustErin said:

Thank you for your understanding!
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BTW, I being silly. I'm so sorry!

ALL JOKES ASIDE: If the father could do it all over again, knocking the DS guy out wouldn't be a good idea at all. But at the very least, THAT father would have every right to give the DS guy a hard shove AND great telling off about his irresponsible behavior.

JustErin said:

See reply #337

Against my better judgment, I'll put it my two cents. Ready?

The guy is a total fucking idiot and anyone who believes that his reaction was just is as idiotic as he is, and I hope you do not have kids. If you do, stay the FUCK away from me with your violence. I'd have that guys ass thrown in jail so fast it wouldn't even be funny.


He's a criminal, a scumbag...who assaulted what looks to me like a minor child. I cannot believe that a lot of you have this violent mentality, it's really quite pathetic.

Sowhat said:

Ok, cheerleading is not the right word.

But you would then understand if the mom then attacked the father, right?

Sowhat said:

Yes. Perhaps my view comes from not being in a physical position of power. If I could throw my weight around, maybe I would. It's not a playing field that I normally have control over so I see the approach differently.

When I look at that I see a man just flexing his masculinity in a stupid way, which is how many men simply live their lives. Our society is all about act first, question later and people need vindication in their lives for all sorts of shit and others have to pay the price. Sad but true.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I don't see it as throwing his weight around. IMHO I don't think he is flexing his masculinity, he is protecting his child.

I agree that just flexing masculinity in a stupid way is wrong and many men do live their lives that way.

But I look at it from the angle of a parent. It's not about impressing someone. It's not about flexing masculinity. It's not about violence for violence sake.

From my point of view it is a parent protecting their young child. A parent in an unknown situation as far as motives and capabilities of the original aggressor against his very little child.

Sowhat said:

Well then this mother would be totally justified in breaking out a weapon and beating that father with it. She'd only be protecting her child.

THE WHOLE THING WAS STAGED FOR YOUTUBE!

JustErin said:

I could understand if the Mom attacked the Father if she was honestly protecting her child from further harm.

But at that point would she be protecting her son or as you put it getting payback?

Sowhat said:

Instant reaction can only be protection. That's what everyone is saying so why would it be different for her?

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

If she was honestly protecting her son, I could understand it. But at that point, I think it would have been more of a revenge type action than protection type action.

GetAwayFromMe said:

As long as you leave my kids alone we're cool.

Sowhat said:

Witnessing a grown man lunging at your son like a missle with a fist in his face would cause any mom, right or wrong on her son's part, to feel protective.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

The boy kicked the kid and the Father hit him within a split second. If she would have pulled out a weapon and used it with the same type of reaction in a split second, then yes it would be protection.

Sowhat said:

In that split second, the kicker is away from the kid and the mother is adressing the situation. It was an eggagerated overreaction and at no time in that whole segment do you even see the father tending to the kid.

Sowhat said:

Wait a sec, I'm not going by my logic here at all...I'm going by yours. Many of you have said that it's not payback, it's simply protecting their child...so when does it become payback and who gets to decide that?

My point all along is that it's wrong from the very beginning.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Just like if the man had waited, thought about it then attacked the boy, if the woman did the same thing then IMHO it would be very wrong.

If the Mom reacted almost instantly to a grown man lunging at her son like a missle to protecter her own son, then I could understand her reation.

JustErin said:

OK people....I am not an advocate for violence and think it should be avoided whenever possible.

What I am saying is that I understand how the Father reacted in protecting his child from an unprovoked attack on his little son by someone twice the little kids size with an unknown motive or capabilities in real time without the aid of video, discussion or unlimited time to analyze the situation and react accordingly.

We can argue all day about the Mother's reaction, we can bring in additional family members, we can talk about infinite what-ifs, we can make it as ridiculous as you want.

Bottom line I understand the reaction from the man, protecting his son in real time. Right or wrong I understand it and cannot say I would not react the same way in the same situation.

JustErin said:

Again...IMHO the almost instantaneous reaction by the man means he instinctively reacted to a direct threat to his son which means he was protecting him.

Using your logic, she would have been able to pull out and use a weapon AFTER the situation was already under control meaning she had already pushed the Father away and he was backing up, thus it would be payback/revenge for hurting her son, not protecting him.






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Sowhat said:

Using my logic? I have no idea what you're talking about. I never talked about anything you're talking about...

GetAwayFromMe said:

cornfused