I only ask because someone called me "white boy" in an orgnote and I found it amusing as this person claims not to be a racist.

What do you think, is it racist or not?

It was used in this way:

"I knew you were just a fucking Texas white boy..."
"You are just a pussy white boy..."

That sort of thing... would you say that the person who said this was a racist?

Edited...
[This message was edited Sun Dec 8 13:30:46 PST 2002 by IceNine]

Depends on my position. If its just a friend saying it - no problem. If I had a boss who was black and we had a professional distance - I'd find it offensive and disrespectful But mote the "boy" than the "white".

IceNine said:

OF COURSE NOT!!!
UNLEEESS:
he calls you a 'whiteboy' them punches you in the mouth.
cos any racist black man knows a whiteboy can't fight.
OR...
if he calls the 'whiteboy' a HONKY!!!
now that's RACIST.
OR,
if in the middle of the argument, he looks around
for a group of blacks, get their attention the yells.
"YOU HERE WHUT THIS 'WHITEBOY JUST SAID TO ME."
if you're white and you hear this... RUN!!!
[This message was edited Sun Dec 8 22:37:02 PST 2002 by 00769BAD]

soulpower said:

It was certainly not a friend and the person used it as a derogatory term multiple times in the same orgnote... I think that the person is a racist.

IceNine said:

If said jokingly... no. Otherwise, yes, I would take it as a racist comment.

What other reason would there be to call someone "white boy" while arguing?

I remember when I lived in LA I was invited to a friends house (he was black) in the hood. There was a Foreman fight on that night and all family and neighbours were there, Mama cooked some Gumbo and we all sank out teeth in some homefried chicken.
We were watching the opening fight, some african american against an italian dude. People in the room got really excited. Its so funny, but it happened more than once that brothers watching the fight would shout out:" Dayum, white boy's gonna get his ass kicked!" They'd realize what they just said, look at me and repeat: "I mean, that ITALIAN dude's gonna get his ass kicked..."
Obviously there gotta be something wrong with that term. But honestly, it did not bother me

IceNine said:

tell the PUNKMOTHAFUCKA that you may be a 'whiteboy'
but you 'DOWN WITH' too many CONNECTED folks to be
hearin that shit...

soulpower said:

It wouldn't bother me at all among friends, but this was from someone who is decidedly not a friend. You know what I'm saying?

Yes it is.

I tend to stay out of these types of discussions, mostly because the point is moot.

Any time something other than a person's name is used to communicate to, with, or about that person is racist. It may not be I hate you racist...but racist nevertheless.

The name the person goes by is the name that should be addressed.

The only time this is a difficult situation is when describing the appearance of a person. White/Yellow/Red/Black? Nobody is any of those things...but how would you describe a person's skin tone? I tend to say on the darker side, or medium skinned, or light-skinned...but I have been known to use white or black as a short-cut (although I don't feel good about it).

To summarize, I think it is whenever a name other than the person's name/handle/nick - of which is agreed upon by that person - is used, that makes it wrong - racist if color is used.

Thank you.

Only if the "white" part is a reflection on something other than your being white.

You are white, after all.

teller said:

It was used in this way:

"I knew you were just a fucking Texas white boy..."
"You are just a pussy white boy..."

That sort of thing... would you say that the person who said this was a racist?

IceNine said:

Yep. No question.

IceNine said:

Hi, IceNine...

My opinion is that it's 'prejudiced' as opposed to 'racist'.

IceNine said:

Well, sometimes it might come from an ignorant person, like in the case I have mentioned above.
But when the term is used for provocation it surely is racist.
[This message was edited Sun Dec 8 12:56:54 PST 2002 by soulpower]

IceNine said:

Hell yeah, it was racist in that context...
But I'd be even more offended being called "Texan"

It's sad how people are so quick to point out the color of ones skin when they are arguing.

What was wrong with just calling you a "Pussy Texan"?

I think SP is George Bush's illegitimate son!

IceNine said:

yes

AnotherLover2 said:

How?

That's what I thought... this person is clearly a racist although he/she claims not to be a racist.

The way I see it is this:

If you are a racist, just come out and admit it. What's the problem? You have the right to be a racist if you want to be one... it takes all kinds in this world... sweet, sour, mean, nice, etc.

Come on, confess.

Lleena said:

Because racism implies action taken to prevent a person from obtaining priviledges, whereas prejudice is a state of mind and a way of thinking that may or may not involve action.

AnotherLover2 said:

racist

adj 1: based on racial intolerance; "racist remarks" 2: discriminatory especially on the basis of race or religion

soulpower said:

Calling you "whiteboy" isn't such a problem.If he calls you "cracka" he's looking for some chin music.But i guess
it would still depend on the situation.

4LOVE said:

"chin music!" I like it.

I thought that "fucking Texas white boy" was going a bit too far into racist territory, as was "white pussy."

AnotherLover2 said:

racism - belief in innate superiority of partucular race; antagonism towards members of different race based on this belief- Collins dictionary.

I don't hold the view that racism implies only action, racism can manifest itself in a multitude of ways, including verbal.

IceNine said:

Guess you're ignoring my greeting from before? Hell, ya go away for a coupla months and... anyway--it was my opinion based on attending conferences on racism, and the so-called "professionals" definitions of the difference between racism and prejudice.

AnotherLover2 said:

I guess I missed the greeting...

Are you the REAL AnotherLover or another imitation?

Anyway, HELLO!



BTW: the person who sent those orgnotes was a racist.

IceNine said:

Yes, I'm the "real" one. But based on the rumors and things I'm hearing, I'm tempted to disappear again. Geez!

Obviously, your Org Note admirer was using race to attempt to humiliate you.

White IS actually a colour of the spectrum!

"Nigga", "Wigga", "Honkey" or "Nonkey" are not.

'dre


There is no intent on behalf of the DreZone 2 apply any of the a4mentioned in a malicious or racist context.