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meow85 said: mdiver said: I think you are making a leap to say that people who consider sex industry jobs like stripping or prostitution below them also think it os ok to murder the same people. That is a link that you have assumed upon those and demonstrates (to me) why you said what you said. The oxymoron remains. I don't think it's a leap at all. How far does one have to go from thinking those in the sex industry are immoral, bad role models, disturbed, "obviously" on drugs, etc. to disregarding their being at all? I'm not saying most people would approve of murder no matter who the victim was, but what I'm saying is that it's easier to ignore a problem when it's a "bad" person it's happening to, I'm not just speaking in what-if's either, sadly. Canada's worst known serial killer murdered literally dozens of Vancouver women over the years before he was caught. And the precise reason, as now -FINALLY -acknowledged by the RCMP, was that the majority of missing women, though missing in startling high numbers even for the bad neighbourhood they'd been taken from, had been disregarded by authorities because they were mostly homeless and involved in sex work. I won't give the killer the grace of typing his name here, but when he was finally caught and human remains found on his property identified as belonging to the missing women, do you want to know what the public's reaction was? Not widespread outcry that the city police and RCMP hadn't even bothered to open a file on what they now admit was an abnormally high number of missing women. Not an apology from the authorities. Not a huge demand (though there were advocates for one) for an inquiry into police action and governmental action on the issue. Not sympathy for the friends and families of the victims. Nope. No, when it was discovered that the killer's property was a pig farm that supplied to rendering plants, people were horrified that they might have fed hookers to their pets. 
You have no idea how it feels to see the faces of the more intact bodies broadcast on the news in an attempt to identify some of the women and see a face that looks just like your cousin who works as a prostitute, and have to scramble all over to try to contact her and not calm down until you manage eventually track her down a month later, all the while having to listen to rich bitches suffer hysterics because Fluffy and Princess just may have eaten part of some filthy whore. Tell me again how big that leap I'm making is. I agree that there are people who feel that way, like these ones are disposable. What i said to you was that you seemed to make a leap between people feeling that these jobs were beneath them and that it was ok to murder them. You projected the serial killer mentality on to those whose conscience says that this is something they would not do. Your post does not change my mind that you made that leap it just tells me WHY you did. I hope that your cousin is still well  | |
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mdiver said: I agree that there are people who feel that way, like these ones are disposable. What i said to you was that you seemed to make a leap between people feeling that these jobs were beneath them and that it was ok to murder them. You projected the serial killer mentality on to those whose conscience says that this is something they would not do. Your post does not change my mind that you made that leap it just tells me WHY you did. I hope that your cousin is still well She's doing better these days. No longer in the industry anymore, partly because of the scare she gave everyone. We all thought we saw her on TV and then didn't hear from her for a month... 
I don't think it's a leap, but a tiny, tiny step. Disregard for another person's being starts with thinking they're not as good as you. I didn't say most people would agree that murdering prostitutes is okay, just that I believe many people would -and do -find it easy to ignore when it happens. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: mdiver said: I agree that there are people who feel that way, like these ones are disposable. What i said to you was that you seemed to make a leap between people feeling that these jobs were beneath them and that it was ok to murder them. You projected the serial killer mentality on to those whose conscience says that this is something they would not do. Your post does not change my mind that you made that leap it just tells me WHY you did. I hope that your cousin is still well She's doing better these days. No longer in the industry anymore, partly because of the scare she gave everyone. We all thought we saw her on TV and then didn't hear from her for a month...
I don't think it's a leap, but a tiny, tiny step. Disregard for another person's being starts with thinking they're not as good as you. I didn't say most people would agree that murdering prostitutes is okay, just that I believe many people would -and do -find it easy to ignore when it happens.  | |
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so, have any broads shown their tits on this thread yet? | |
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meow85 said: mdiver said: Meow ya know i love you and all but can you not see how that comment is an oxymoron? Oh, believe me, I do see how it is. But how much respect CAN I be expected to have for someone who looks down their nose at another person for doing something like stripping? You never wondered why it's so easy for serial killers to get away with killing prostitutes and strippers? It's because we've got a whole society full of people who think like that; that think that somehow they're better than whores 'n' pole girls. To them, they aren't really people, they're less than, and so it's easy to turn a blind eye when one goes missing, or dismiss their problems and lives because of what they do. [Edited 3/29/09 2:57am] Wow. First of all, the question for a serial killer is one of access to their victims. Countless serial killers have managed to lure non sex industry workers to their lair and murdered them. Other serial killers have killed women who are walking the streets as prosititues, because they are able to approach these women easier than say a woman sitting in her house. This is why there might be higher proportion of victims who work in the sex industry. Although many serial killers have also broken into houses. Society does not condone the killing of prostitutes, that is an absurd statement to make. These are victims, just because you wouldn't be a prostitute yourself doesn't mean you're nonchalant when another woman is killed In fact lots of people have sympathy for these types of victims because more often than not they have been driven to prostitution due to desperation/poverty/abusive parenting etc. . [Edited 3/29/09 4:38am] | |
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JerseyKRS said: so, have any broads shown their tits on this thread yet?
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ocean said: No, not unless there was no other way to put a roof over my kids head
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LleeLlee said: meow85 said: Oh, believe me, I do see how it is. But how much respect CAN I be expected to have for someone who looks down their nose at another person for doing something like stripping? You never wondered why it's so easy for serial killers to get away with killing prostitutes and strippers? It's because we've got a whole society full of people who think like that; that think that somehow they're better than whores 'n' pole girls. To them, they aren't really people, they're less than, and so it's easy to turn a blind eye when one goes missing, or dismiss their problems and lives because of what they do. [Edited 3/29/09 2:57am] Wow. First of all, the question for a serial killer is one of access to their victims. Countless serial killers have managed to lure non sex industry workers to their lair and murdered them. Other serial killers have killed women who are walking the streets as prosititues, because they are able to approach these women easier than say a woman sitting in her house. This is why there might be higher proportion of victims who work in the sex industry. Although many serial killers have also broken into houses. Society does not condone the killing of prostitutes, that is an absurd statement to make. These are victims, just because you wouldn't be a prostitute yourself doesn't mean you're nonchalant when another woman is killed In fact lots of people have sympathy for these types of victims because more often than not they have been driven to prostitution due to desperation/poverty/abusive parenting etc. . [Edited 3/29/09 4:38am] 
Did I say anywhere that society condones killing prostitutes? Point out to me where I typed those words. No, what I said was that murderers can get away with killing sex workers more easily because their whereabouts and well-being are not a concern to most people, and so when they go missing there's less public outcry. The case of the pig farmer killer was only one example, but just as with each other instance of serial killers targeting women who work in the sex trade, he was able to get away with his crimes as long as he did because no one cared to look into what was happening with these women. And no one cared to look into it because there is a very strong and obvious societal bent toward looking down on people who do sex work, or of thinking of them as lesser. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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I considered it when I was about 19 - but that was before I had 2 babies and my body went out and down :porker: now people would pay me to keep my clothes on and stop blotting out the sun
If I still had a good body then hell yeah, i'd do it - I got kids to feed and clothes and desperate times call for desperate measures. I'm not stopping. I haven't even taken my coat off
C'mon and dance while you, while you still have your cherry babe, cherry babe.. www.KerrysCakes.org.uk | |
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I can't say what I would do if I were about to lose my house and/or couldn't afford to buy groceries. | |
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meow85 said: DesireeNevermind said: stripper? NO. strip club owner? maybe. Pimp? hellz yeah
So let me get this straight.... You won't take your clothes off for money, or engage in sex work. That's fair. But more than that, as you've made clear with your posts, you actually think less of women who do do that for a living. But you'd actively profit off the exploitation of women by being a pimp? What. THEEEEE. Fuck. If a woman is taking off her clothes for money...she is already being exploited in some fashion by some one. I would be a good pimp, make sure they had money in their hand unlike the male pimps who control every dollar, keep the freaks who want to hurt them away, get them top dollar, buy some police protection etc. I wont say I think less of women who strip - that is way too broad a statement - less how? you mean their right to live or something? I just think in this day and age and if you live in a western nation, there is no reason why a woman can't make a living the way a man would and no reason why she can't use her brains over her pussy to make money. This post was directed at female orgers, and most sex industry workers are female, the perception is that women are only valued for their sex parts. I'd like to think women have advanced beyond that but if you think that all women are good for is selling their bodies be it on the pole or on the street corner then that's your deal. And Besides, why is it okay for a man to be a pimp and not a woman? If I'm going to live in a world where money and sexploitation is the rule then why wouldn't I be a pimp in hard economic times? We call them madams which I never understood but wuteva! Bottome line is I hate to see women resort to selling their bodies cuz I think there are too many damn options, noble ways, to make money and too much government assistance for a woman to have to resort to that - plus she feeds the mentality that all we have to offer and all we're worth is what's between our legs. I think the whole stripping thing is actually more about vanity and laziness. I think there are women who want the quick buck and don't really want to work hard for their money- aka use their brains, develop long term goals and skills that will last them well into retirement and beyond. I guess in the end if you would do it for free then why not get paid.  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: meow85 said:
So let me get this straight.... You won't take your clothes off for money, or engage in sex work. That's fair. But more than that, as you've made clear with your posts, you actually think less of women who do do that for a living. But you'd actively profit off the exploitation of women by being a pimp? What. THEEEEE. Fuck. If a woman is taking off her clothes for money...she is already being exploited in some fashion by some one. I would be a good pimp, make sure they had money in their hand unlike the male pimps who control every dollar, keep the freaks who want to hurt them away, get them top dollar, buy some police protection etc. I wont say I think less of women who strip - that is way too broad a statement - less how? you mean their right to live or something? I just think in this day and age and if you live in a western nation, there is no reason why a woman can't make a living the way a man would and no reason why she can't use her brains over her pussy to make money. This post was directed at female orgers, and most sex industry workers are female, the perception is that women are only valued for their sex parts. I'd like to think women have advanced beyond that but if you think that all women are good for is selling their bodies be it on the pole or on the street corner then that's your deal. And Besides, why is it okay for a man to be a pimp and not a woman? If I'm going to live in a world where money and sexploitation is the rule then why wouldn't I be a pimp in hard economic times? We call them madams which I never understood but wuteva! Bottome line is I hate to see women resort to selling their bodies cuz I think there are too many damn options, noble ways, to make money and too much government assistance for a woman to have to resort to that - plus she feeds the mentality that all we have to offer and all we're worth is what's between our legs. I think the whole stripping thing is actually more about vanity and laziness. I think there are women who want the quick buck and don't really want to work hard for their money- aka use their brains, develop long term goals and skills that will last them well into retirement and beyond. I guess in the end if you would do it for free then why not get paid. I don't have the words for how dumb and ill-informed this post is.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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DesireeNevermind said: meow85 said:
So let me get this straight.... You won't take your clothes off for money, or engage in sex work. That's fair. But more than that, as you've made clear with your posts, you actually think less of women who do do that for a living. But you'd actively profit off the exploitation of women by being a pimp? What. THEEEEE. Fuck. If a woman is taking off her clothes for money...she is already being exploited in some fashion by some one. I would be a good pimp, make sure they had money in their hand unlike the male pimps who control every dollar, keep the freaks who want to hurt them away, get them top dollar, buy some police protection etc. I wont say I think less of women who strip - that is way too broad a statement - less how? you mean their right to live or something? I just think in this day and age and if you live in a western nation, there is no reason why a woman can't make a living the way a man would and no reason why she can't use her brains over her pussy to make money. This post was directed at female orgers, and most sex industry workers are female, the perception is that women are only valued for their sex parts. I'd like to think women have advanced beyond that but if you think that all women are good for is selling their bodies be it on the pole or on the street corner then that's your deal. And Besides, why is it okay for a man to be a pimp and not a woman? If I'm going to live in a world where money and sexploitation is the rule then why wouldn't I be a pimp in hard economic times? We call them madams which I never understood but wuteva! Bottome line is I hate to see women resort to selling their bodies cuz I think there are too many damn options, noble ways, to make money and too much government assistance for a woman to have to resort to that - plus she feeds the mentality that all we have to offer and all we're worth is what's between our legs. I think the whole stripping thing is actually more about vanity and laziness. I think there are women who want the quick buck and don't really want to work hard for their money- aka use their brains, develop long term goals and skills that will last them well into retirement and beyond. I guess in the end if you would do it for free then why not get paid. Think twice if someday you're evicted from your house and have to sleep in the street, it could happen anytime to anybody... Is there any place of refuge one can flee from this insanity | |
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meow85 said: pplrain said: Take what you want from what I said, I am talking about myself and no one else. I would never sell my body for cash, never have and never will. There are other ways to earn a living, to me stripping and prostitution is NOT one of them. I also don't associate with strippers/prostitutes/pimps, drug dealers/druggies. ex-cons in general. No one in my family does. So you think you're better than those people who do. YES. I. DO... AND. I. AM. [Edited 4/1/09 7:27am] | |
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JustErin said: MarySharon said: co- Ok, so really, what's wrong with her thinking she's better because she doesn't fraternize with people like that? People have personal standards and I think you're both being naive if you really do think that everyone should feel the same way towards everyone. For example, I sure as hell think I am a better person that those that resort to physical violence as a solution. I see nothing wrong with thinking that. And to pplain - no one in your family associates with all those people - that you know of. Let's keep it real here. Are you talking to me? It's pplrain.. dummy.. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: pplrain said: That's a no brainer, I would starve. Btw this is the USA, there are soup kitchens and free food everywhere. No one needs to starve. People even go dumpster diving to save a few bucks, so there is no need to resort to prostitution. To me prostitution is demoralizing, I love myself enough not to do it, and ugh I would hate strange men groping me, especially men who frequent prostitutes.
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pplrain said: JustErin said: Ok, so really, what's wrong with her thinking she's better because she doesn't fraternize with people like that? People have personal standards and I think you're both being naive if you really do think that everyone should feel the same way towards everyone. For example, I sure as hell think I am a better person that those that resort to physical violence as a solution. I see nothing wrong with thinking that. And to pplain - no one in your family associates with all those people - that you know of. Let's keep it real here. Are you talking to me? It's pplrain.. dummy.. Haha wow, how sad. | |
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meow85 said: mdiver said: Meow ya know i love you and all but can you not see how that comment is an oxymoron? Oh, believe me, I do see how it is. But how much respect CAN I be expected to have for someone who looks down their nose at another person for doing something like stripping? You never wondered why it's so easy for serial killers to get away with killing prostitutes and strippers? It's because we've got a whole society full of people who think like that; that think that somehow they're better than whores 'n' pole girls. To them, they aren't really people, they're less than, and so it's easy to turn a blind eye when one goes missing, or dismiss their problems and lives because of what they do. [Edited 3/29/09 2:57am] I think you are missing the point here. Prostitution is illegal, it is a dangerous profession. It is also criminal. Women have been warned about it and yet if they still go out and put themselves in harms way, do you really expect society to feel sorry if something happens to them? [Edited 4/1/09 7:52am] | |
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pplrain said: meow85 said: Oh, believe me, I do see how it is. But how much respect CAN I be expected to have for someone who looks down their nose at another person for doing something like stripping? You never wondered why it's so easy for serial killers to get away with killing prostitutes and strippers? It's because we've got a whole society full of people who think like that; that think that somehow they're better than whores 'n' pole girls. To them, they aren't really people, they're less than, and so it's easy to turn a blind eye when one goes missing, or dismiss their problems and lives because of what they do. [Edited 3/29/09 2:57am] I think you are missing the point here. Prostitution is illegal, it is a dangerous profession. It is also criminal. Women have been warned about it and yet if they still go out and put themselves in harms way, do you really expect society to feel sorry if something happens to them? [Edited 4/1/09 7:52am] Stripping isn't illegal. I think it's unfair to equate stripping with prostitution. | |
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sextonseven said: pplrain said: I think you are missing the point here. Prostitution is illegal, it is a dangerous profession. It is also criminal. Women have been warned about it and yet if they still go out and put themselves in harms way, do you really expect society to feel sorry if something happens to them? [Edited 4/1/09 7:52am] Stripping isn't illegal. I think it's unfair to equate stripping with prostitution. Well when you have narrow-minded, holier than thou peeps proclaiming how much better of a person they are, they are stupid enough to make that assumption. I'm not even going to quote what ASSUME stands for. | |
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Arnotts said: pplrain said: Are you talking to me? It's pplrain.. dummy.. Haha wow, how sad.  | |
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sextonseven said: pplrain said: I think you are missing the point here. Prostitution is illegal, it is a dangerous profession. It is also criminal. Women have been warned about it and yet if they still go out and put themselves in harms way, do you really expect society to feel sorry if something happens to them? [Edited 4/1/09 7:52am] Stripping isn't illegal. I think it's unfair to equate stripping with prostitution. Prostitution isn't illegal in many parts of this world - including Canada. | |
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1sexymf said: sextonseven said: Stripping isn't illegal. I think it's unfair to equate stripping with prostitution. Well when you have narrow-minded, holier than thou peeps proclaiming how much better of a person they are, they are stupid enough to make that assumption. I'm not even going to quote what ASSUME stands for. I am not narrow minded nor stupid... I just live by a higher standard of morals and I am proud of it. | |
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pplrain said: 1sexymf said: Well when you have narrow-minded, holier than thou peeps proclaiming how much better of a person they are, they are stupid enough to make that assumption. I'm not even going to quote what ASSUME stands for. I am not narrow minded nor stupid... I just live by a higher standard of morals and I am proud of it. I'm sure you've made no mistakes, cursed, drank, smoked and shook your finger at anyone who would even dare to form a thought about any of those things let alone doing a such a "moraless" thing as stripping. Goody for you. | |
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1sexymf said: pplrain said: I am not narrow minded nor stupid... I just live by a higher standard of morals and I am proud of it. I'm sure you've made no mistakes, cursed, drank, smoked and shook your finger at anyone who would even dare to form a thought about any of those things let alone doing a such a "moraless" thing as stripping. Goody for you. There is nothing wrong with being proud of having personal standards or of making certain decisions but whenever I see the word 'moral' I just cringe. | |
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JustErin said: 1sexymf said: I'm sure you've made no mistakes, cursed, drank, smoked and shook your finger at anyone who would even dare to form a thought about any of those things let alone doing a such a "moraless" thing as stripping. Goody for you. There is nothing wrong with being proud of having personal standards or of making certain decisions but whenever I see the word 'moral' I just cringe. I didn't say anything was wrong about having your own personal standards - she has a right to state her opinion and I can state mine - that's all.  | |
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1sexymf said: JustErin said: There is nothing wrong with being proud of having personal standards or of making certain decisions but whenever I see the word 'moral' I just cringe. I didn't say anything was wrong about having your own personal standards - she has a right to state her opinion and I can state mine - that's all. And I didn't say you did either.  | |
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JustErin said: 1sexymf said: I didn't say anything was wrong about having your own personal standards - she has a right to state her opinion and I can state mine - that's all. And I didn't say you did either. Lol, I know. | |
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1sexymf said: JustErin said: And I didn't say you did either. Lol, I know. Now, let's make out. How's that for morals? | |
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