mdiver said:

pardonme4livin said:

stripper? NO. strip club owner? maybe. Pimp? hellz yeah

meow85 said:

Take what you want from what I said, I am talking about myself and no one else.

I would never sell my body for cash, never have and never will. There are other ways to earn a living, to me stripping and prostitution is NOT one of them.

I also don't associate with strippers/prostitutes/pimps, drug dealers/druggies. ex-cons in general. No one in my family does.

meow85 said:

That's a no brainer, I would starve. Btw this is the USA, there are soup kitchens and free food everywhere. No one needs to starve. People even go dumpster diving to save a few bucks, so there is no need to resort to prostitution.

To me prostitution is demoralizing, I love myself enough not to do it, and ugh I would hate strange men groping me, especially men who frequent prostitutes.
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No, not unless there was no other way to put a roof over my kids head

ocean said:

No one wants to see you dick and balls Kylie

PanthaGirl said:

Co-sign everything you said.

I've known quite a few people -girls and boys -who've been at some point involved with stripping, prostitution, or other sex work. The ones that were addicts/emotionally disturbed/came from bad homes/were abused/etc. were the exceptions, not the rules.

JustErin said:

People who work with social outreach tend to only encounter those who are down and out. Street prostitutes are most likely drug users and involved in survival work. But those who work on the street are only one group. There's also people working out of escort agencies or massage parlours, people working under a madam, (not to be confused with a pimp) and people who work independently. It's very rare for anyone in these groups to be doing survival sex work or to be addicts, and so social workers never see them.

DesireeNevermind said:

So let me get this straight....

You won't take your clothes off for money, or engage in sex work. That's fair. But more than that, as you've made clear with your posts, you actually think less of women who do do that for a living. But you'd actively profit off the exploitation of women by being a pimp?

What. THEEEEE. Fuck.

pplrain said:

So you think you're better than those people who do.

meow85 said:

Um, guess you've never known someone that works for an agency? MAJOR coke scene.

And yes, social workers do see people from all walks of life, not just those that are on the streets all the time.

meow85 said:

co-

MarySharon said:

Ok, so really, what's wrong with her thinking she's better because she doesn't fraternize with people like that?

People have personal standards and I think you're both being naive if you really do think that everyone should feel the same way towards everyone.

For example, I sure as hell think I am a better person that those that resort to physical violence as a solution. I see nothing wrong with thinking that.

And to pplain - no one in your family associates with all those people - that you know of. Let's keep it real here.

pplrain said:

JustErin said:

I do actually. Occasional drug use isn't the same thing as being a full-blown addict.

JustErin said:

Oh, please. Engaging in physical violence and doing sex work are not even in the same ball park.

I have no use or respect for people who look down others.

I suppose if it was the only way to feed my children and provide a home for them then yes I'd do it.

meow85 said:

I don't see occasional.

meow85 said:

To you.

Or are we all supposed to be exactly like you?

JustErin said:

I don't care whether she's fraternizing or not. But generalizing the way she does (considering the fact everyone is likely to have hard times, to sweat blood and fall in the same boat) is disturbing IMO.

JustErin said:

In what universe is using violence to solve a problem or keep another person down even remotely close to the same thing as having sex for money? Unless you mean in terms of legality, there is no similarity.

meow85 said:

Alot of people believe that, they can be as violent as they want and they'd still believe sex workers are 'low lifes', and wouldnt even comprehend that they would be in that category too. But those are probably just sexist men, that view all women as inferior. Although I'm willing to bet more people than just that believe it too.
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meow85 said:

So again, you expect everyone to think just like you do.

I dont know about the U.S but here nobody has to resort to stripping to make ends meet. This is why we pay our taxes.

Just becasue pplrain has a differing opinion, it doesn't make her arrogant. I think telling your child/ or allowing her to think its okay to sell you body for money is wrong. strippers are NOT healthy role models for little girls.


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meow85 said:

Meow ya know i love you and all but can you not see how that comment is an oxymoron?

LleeLlee said:

or little boys

mdiver said:

Oh, believe me, I do see how it is. But how much respect CAN I be expected to have for someone who looks down their nose at another person for doing something like stripping?

You never wondered why it's so easy for serial killers to get away with killing prostitutes and strippers? It's because we've got a whole society full of people who think like that; that think that somehow they're better than whores 'n' pole girls. To them, they aren't really people, they're less than, and so it's easy to turn a blind eye when one goes missing, or dismiss their problems and lives because of what they do.
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meow85 said:

I think you are making a leap to say that people who consider sex industry jobs like stripping or prostitution below them also think it os ok to murder the same people. That is a link that you have assumed upon those and demonstrates (to me) why you said what you said. The oxymoron remains.

mdiver said:

I don't think it's a leap at all. How far does one have to go from thinking those in the sex industry are immoral, bad role models, disturbed, "obviously" on drugs, etc. to disregarding their being at all? I'm not saying most people would approve of murder no matter who the victim was, but what I'm saying is that it's easier to ignore a problem when it's a "bad" person it's happening to,

I'm not just speaking in what-if's either, sadly. Canada's worst known serial killer murdered literally dozens of Vancouver women over the years before he was caught. And the precise reason, as now -FINALLY -acknowledged by the RCMP, was that the majority of missing women, though missing in startling high numbers even for the bad neighbourhood they'd been taken from, had been disregarded by authorities because they were mostly homeless and involved in sex work.

I won't give the killer the grace of typing his name here, but when he was finally caught and human remains found on his property identified as belonging to the missing women, do you want to know what the public's reaction was? Not widespread outcry that the city police and RCMP hadn't even bothered to open a file on what they now admit was an abnormally high number of missing women. Not an apology from the authorities. Not a huge demand (though there were advocates for one) for an inquiry into police action and governmental action on the issue. Not sympathy for the friends and families of the victims. Nope. No, when it was discovered that the killer's property was a pig farm that supplied to rendering plants, people were horrified that they might have fed hookers to their pets.


You have no idea how it feels to see the faces of the more intact bodies broadcast on the news in an attempt to identify some of the women and see a face that looks just like your cousin who works as a prostitute, and have to scramble all over to try to contact her and not calm down until you manage eventually track her down a month later, all the while having to listen to rich bitches suffer hysterics because Fluffy and Princess just may have eaten part of some filthy whore.

Tell me again how big that leap I'm making is.