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Thread started 10/24/02 9:19am

IceNine

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What do you think about the death penalty in relation to the snipers that were just caught?

So... the snipers have been caught and the rifle has been found in their car... they killed a lot of completely innocent people for no reason...

Would you like to see them get the death penalty for their actions?


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Reply #1 posted 10/24/02 9:22am

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IceNine said:

So... the snipers have been caught and the rifle has been found in their car... they killed a lot of completely innocent people for no reason...

Would you like to see them get the death penalty for their actions?


http://www.cnn.com/2002/U...index.html
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Reply #2 posted 10/24/02 9:26am

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Reply #3 posted 10/24/02 9:27am

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Its a very hot topic bro, I think you and I have discussed it before. I do not believe in death penalty, under no circumstance. I believe any governments duty is to guarantee safety on the streets, so a sniper like that needs to be looked up for security reasons. However, I do not believe that any government has the right to punish.
I dont think there really is an answer to this, because its a non-fact related issue and everybody has got the right to believe if death penalty is right or wrong.
so far two things have been proven:
1. the threat of death penalty does not reduce the crimes rates
2. relatives of murder victims do not feel relieved after the execution of the killer
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Reply #4 posted 10/24/02 9:40am

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I am against the death penalty. It's a easy way out for the criminal. Let them spend the rest of their lives in prison.
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Reply #5 posted 10/24/02 9:46am

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I agree. I think prison is a worse punishment than capital punishment. While i don't think we should have the death penalty for other reasons(our court system and such), i still think prison life is the most fitting punishment for these two if they are convicted of the crime. They are after all, still suspects at this point.
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Reply #6 posted 10/24/02 9:47am

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mrchristian said:

I agree. I think prison is a worse punishment than capital punishment. While i don't think we should have the death penalty for other reasons(our court system and such), i still think prison life is the most fitting punishment for these two if they are convicted of the crime. They are after all, still suspects at this point.


True, they are suspects, but finding the gun, scope and tripod kinda helps the case for the cops.
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Reply #7 posted 10/24/02 9:49am

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IceNine said:

So... the snipers have been caught and the rifle has been found in their car... they killed a lot of completely innocent people for no reason...

Would you like to see them get the death penalty for their actions?


http://www.cnn.com/2002/U...index.html


Sick derranged people, at least they have been detained, the shooting will stop. There is no penalty severe enough fot what they have done.
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Reply #8 posted 10/24/02 9:50am

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No, I would rather they sit in prison for the rest of their lives and enjoy the lovely life the other inmates will surely give them. The death penatly would be too quick of an out.
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Reply #9 posted 10/24/02 9:54am

LaVisHh

Perhaps tie them to a 1 x 12 x 7 board, hang upside-down, so their penis and balls hang down... then, have some sniper shoot each off, one by one...perhaps even a couple toes and/or fingers...then...sew it up, and lock them away in prison til they die...

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Reply #10 posted 10/24/02 9:55am

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IceNine said:

mrchristian said:

I agree. I think prison is a worse punishment than capital punishment. While i don't think we should have the death penalty for other reasons(our court system and such), i still think prison life is the most fitting punishment for these two if they are convicted of the crime. They are after all, still suspects at this point.


True, they are suspects, but finding the gun, scope and tripod kinda helps the case for the cops.


Finding the gun is probably a big red flag in this case. I am sure that fact is making the police say more than just "Hmm, now why in the world would this guy have a gun?"
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Reply #11 posted 10/24/02 9:56am

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LaVisHh said:

Perhaps tie them to a 1 x 12 x 7 board, hang upside-down, so their penis and balls hang down... then, have some sniper shoot each off, one by one...perhaps even a couple toes and/or fingers...then...sew it up, and lock them away in prison til they die...

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omfg omfg omfg omfg

if that don't curb crime, nothin will...
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Reply #12 posted 10/24/02 10:16am

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omfg omfg omfg omfg

if that don't curb crime, nothin will...


I just see it like this, although we are supposedly not barbaric...the death penalty simply does not work because just how much of a punishment is a needle that puts you to sleep? rolleyes

Or any of the other pissy stuff they do to folks? Not to mention it usually takes until the person dies of natural causes before any decision is made due to all the appeals that go on. neutral

I have no doubt in my mind that if they ever catch, and can prove who did this...and the punishment is NOT extreme - what's to stop other public haters from repeating?

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Reply #13 posted 10/24/02 10:32am

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Don't kill em. Study these people's disturbed minds, so that we can find out what makes them tick, in an effort to prevent future tragedies like this from occurring.

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Reply #14 posted 10/24/02 10:37am

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I'm not in favor of the death penalty. If these are the people responsible for the sniper shootings, then the problem is solved, they are captured and detained.

Nothing is going to bring the lives back of those who were killed. The only reasonable thing the family members can do is move on.

If they can't stand America, they're gonna have an even better time sitting in an American jail the rest of their lives.
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Reply #15 posted 10/24/02 10:40am

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LET THE VICTIMS FAMILY B THE JURY AND VOTE ON IT.
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Reply #16 posted 10/24/02 10:53am

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FRY THEIR ASSES!!!
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Reply #17 posted 10/24/02 11:00am

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soulpower said:

Its a very hot topic bro, I think you and I have discussed it before. I do not believe in death penalty, under no circumstance. I believe any governments duty is to guarantee safety on the streets, so a sniper like that needs to be looked up for security reasons. However, I do not believe that any government has the right to punish.
I dont think there really is an answer to this, because its a non-fact related issue and everybody has got the right to believe if death penalty is right or wrong.
so far two things have been proven:
1. the threat of death penalty does not reduce the crimes rates
2. relatives of murder victims do not feel relieved after the execution of the killer


One thing is for sure though...THEY'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO COMMIT A CRIME AGAIN!
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Reply #18 posted 10/24/02 11:08am

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I'm against the death penalty in all cases because it is hypocritical and inhumane.
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Reply #19 posted 10/24/02 11:09am

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savoirfaire said:

Don't kill em. Study these people's disturbed minds, so that we can find out what makes them tick, in an effort to prevent future tragedies like this from occurring.

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Reply #20 posted 10/24/02 11:22am

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AbucahX said:

I am against the death penalty. It's a easy way out for the criminal. Let them spend the rest of their lives in prison.


I agree. I am totally against the death penalty. I dont believe that any human has the right to dictate the end of someones live, no matter what they did. The use of fear to teach...never works. It only creates more fear. I think that the people who commit these crimes, live with that guilt and shame for the rest of their days, and that in itself is a heavy load for someone. Their lives are limited because of what they did, and they know it, and feel its wrath everyday.
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Reply #21 posted 10/24/02 11:25am

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ItalianToy said:

I'm against the death penalty in all cases because it is hypocritical and inhumane.


Nearly as inhumane as the heinousness of the crimes committed by murderers right? Give me a break. I'll never understand sympathy for the rights of psychopathic killers.
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Reply #22 posted 10/24/02 11:27am

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violett said:

AbucahX said:

I am against the death penalty. It's a easy way out for the criminal. Let them spend the rest of their lives in prison.


I agree. I am totally against the death penalty. I dont believe that any human has the right to dictate the end of someones live, no matter what they did. The use of fear to teach...never works. It only creates more fear. I think that the people who commit these crimes, live with that guilt and shame for the rest of their days, and that in itself is a heavy load for someone. Their lives are limited because of what they did, and they know it, and feel its wrath everyday.


This is wrong! Many killers feel NO remorse whatsoever so as far as they're concerned they got the good life being fed and cared for by the state. I'd rather my money go to help the homeless and poor rather than shelter someone who aimlessly kills people left and right or someone who has raped and strangled a 5 year old.

Go ahead and have some more sympathy, it makes me sick.
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

violett said:

AbucahX said:

I am against the death penalty. It's a easy way out for the criminal. Let them spend the rest of their lives in prison.


I agree. I am totally against the death penalty. I dont believe that any human has the right to dictate the end of someones live, no matter what they did. The use of fear to teach...never works. It only creates more fear. I think that the people who commit these crimes, live with that guilt and shame for the rest of their days, and that in itself is a heavy load for someone. Their lives are limited because of what they did, and they know it, and feel its wrath everyday.


This is wrong! Many killers feel NO remorse whatsoever so as far as they're concerned they got the good life being fed and cared for by the state. I'd rather my money go to help the homeless and poor rather than shelter someone who aimlessly kills people left and right or someone who has raped and strangled a 5 year old.

Go ahead and have some more sympathy, it makes me sick.


Who are you to say whats right and what's wrong??? GOD?? rolleyes
And How do you know what someone else feels or doesn't feel?
I am stating my opinion, and have the right to do so.
You stance on this, is yours to have. And it doesnt make me sick. I may not understand it, but thats ok... you dont understand mine either.
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Reply #24 posted 10/24/02 11:45am

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violett said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

violett said:

AbucahX said:

I am against the death penalty. It's a easy way out for the criminal. Let them spend the rest of their lives in prison.


I agree. I am totally against the death penalty. I dont believe that any human has the right to dictate the end of someones live, no matter what they did. The use of fear to teach...never works. It only creates more fear. I think that the people who commit these crimes, live with that guilt and shame for the rest of their days, and that in itself is a heavy load for someone. Their lives are limited because of what they did, and they know it, and feel its wrath everyday.


This is wrong! Many killers feel NO remorse whatsoever so as far as they're concerned they got the good life being fed and cared for by the state. I'd rather my money go to help the homeless and poor rather than shelter someone who aimlessly kills people left and right or someone who has raped and strangled a 5 year old.

Go ahead and have some more sympathy, it makes me sick.


Who are you to say whats right and what's wrong??? GOD?? rolleyes
And How do you know what someone else feels or doesn't feel?
I am stating my opinion, and have the right to do so.
You stance on this, is yours to have. And it doesnt make me sick. I may not understand it, but thats ok... you dont understand mine either.
[This message was edited Thu Oct 24 11:39:46 PDT 2002 by violett]


and who are YOU to say that it's wrong to take the life of someone who kills so violently and with no regret?

I'm not claiming to know what all criminals feel but we all have seen enough criminals who display and express NO GUILT WHATSOEVER.
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Reply #25 posted 10/24/02 11:48am

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LaVisHh said:

Perhaps tie them to a 1 x 12 x 7 board, hang upside-down, so their penis and balls hang down... then, have some sniper shoot each off, one by one...perhaps even a couple toes and/or fingers...then...sew it up, and lock them away in prison til they die...

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LaV, you are allowing yourself some pretty ugly ideas and terrible feelings here... the sniper has reached his goal..
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

soulpower said:

Its a very hot topic bro, I think you and I have discussed it before. I do not believe in death penalty, under no circumstance. I believe any governments duty is to guarantee safety on the streets, so a sniper like that needs to be looked up for security reasons. However, I do not believe that any government has the right to punish.
I dont think there really is an answer to this, because its a non-fact related issue and everybody has got the right to believe if death penalty is right or wrong.
so far two things have been proven:
1. the threat of death penalty does not reduce the crimes rates
2. relatives of murder victims do not feel relieved after the execution of the killer


One thing is for sure though...THEY'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO COMMIT A CRIME AGAIN!



True... but you had to commit a crime to get to that point. you can do that by simply locking him up.
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Reply #27 posted 10/24/02 11:51am

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soulpower said:

LaVisHh said:

Perhaps tie them to a 1 x 12 x 7 board, hang upside-down, so their penis and balls hang down... then, have some sniper shoot each off, one by one...perhaps even a couple toes and/or fingers...then...sew it up, and lock them away in prison til they die...

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LaV, you are allowing yourself some pretty ugly ideas and terrible feelings here... the sniper has reached his goal..


Do you really think the sniper woke up each day and thought to himself...hmmm I think I'll go out and cause people to have ugly ideas and terrible feelings...no he woke up intending to terrorize the area and kill for no reason.
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Reply #29 posted 10/24/02 11:53am

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soulpower said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

soulpower said:

Its a very hot topic bro, I think you and I have discussed it before. I do not believe in death penalty, under no circumstance. I believe any governments duty is to guarantee safety on the streets, so a sniper like that needs to be looked up for security reasons. However, I do not believe that any government has the right to punish.
I dont think there really is an answer to this, because its a non-fact related issue and everybody has got the right to believe if death penalty is right or wrong.
so far two things have been proven:
1. the threat of death penalty does not reduce the crimes rates
2. relatives of murder victims do not feel relieved after the execution of the killer


One thing is for sure though...THEY'LL NEVER BE ABLE TO COMMIT A CRIME AGAIN!



True... but you had to commit a crime to get to that point. you can do that by simply locking him up.


You obviously don't know our very flawed legal system which has seen killers, rapists etc out of jail for good behaviour or on a legal technicality because of the scumbag lawyers only to get out and commit more crime. If you do away with the freak there is no future chance for him/her to do it again.
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