keyiemo said: I don't post often but I have an issue and wanted to get another opinion.
My daughter is a senior and has recently came to me and said that she likes girls. I admit that I wasn't too happy about it at first but I'm slowly coming to terms with it. The prom is coming up and she says that she wants to ask a girl and also wear a tuxedo. I've been very adamant and have told her that she will NOT wear a tuxedo and will NOT take a girl or she will not go. Needless to say things haven't been too happy around our house. She's very upset with me and keeps telling me that it's her prom and she should be able to wear what she wants. My question is this: What would you do if you were in the same situation? Suck it up. Let her go wearing what she pleases and with whom she pleases. She'll appreciate the support. I went to two proms.(long story ) One year I went by myself, the other year I brought a girl as my date. [Edited 3/15/09 17:20pm] "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Genesia said: Vendetta1 said: they look amazing in those tuxes.
I think the whole key to making that work is to find a tux that fits well. (The women in the photos above had the luxury of having their custom made.) The curvier she is, the less likely it is she'll be able to wear an actual men's tuxedo. Does she (or one of her friends) sew? Or would she be open to adapting to a tuxedo-ish look if she can't find an actual tux? it needs to be done right or not at all. To make a thief, make an owner; to create crime, create laws. | |
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Genesia said: Vendetta1 said: they look amazing in those tuxes.
I think the whole key to making that work is to find a tux that fits well. (The women in the photos above had the luxury of having their custom made.) The curvier she is, the less likely it is she'll be able to wear an actual men's tuxedo. Does she (or one of her friends) sew? Or would she be open to adapting to a tuxedo-ish look if she can't find an actual tux? No, no one sews around here. | |
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keyiemo said: Genesia said: I think the whole key to making that work is to find a tux that fits well. (The women in the photos above had the luxury of having their custom made.) The curvier she is, the less likely it is she'll be able to wear an actual men's tuxedo. Does she (or one of her friends) sew? Or would she be open to adapting to a tuxedo-ish look if she can't find an actual tux? No, no one sews around here. a tailor, a dry-cleaner tailor. something or giving up would be a nice place to start To make a thief, make an owner; to create crime, create laws. | |
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Cinnie said: ress, maybe she can wear a satin pant suit like all the tomboys (Ellen Degeneres, Janet Jackson) wear to award ceremonies.
that shit is hot. | |
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Christopher said: Cinnie said: maybe she can wear a satin pant suit like all the tomboys (Ellen Degeneres, Janet Jackson) wear to award ceremonies.
that shit is hot. I think it is a perfect idea. The crazy thing is after a few pages I opened keyiemo's profile to orgnote her, and it said Favorite (other)
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FunkMistress said: keyiemo said: I guess I just don't want her to be hurt. Kids are cruel and I don't want her to have a memory of being taunted at her prom.
Wouldn't you prefer that she had a memory of a mom who supported her and loved her no matter what? Your support matters more than a bunch of asshole kids. Take her to rent the tux, meet her date, and thank God that your daughter is healthy, strong, and self-aware. There were gay couples at my high school proms and dances, and I'm 30 now. They really didn't run into much bullshit. Very well said!!! Proud Memaw to Seyhan Olivia Christine ,Zoey Cirilo Jaylee & Ellie Abigail Lillian | |
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Cinnie said:[quote] Christopher said: I think it is a perfect idea. The crazy thing is after a few pages I opened keyiemo's profile to orgnote her, and it said Favorite (other)
artists: janet jackson blame it on the goose gotcha feelin loose? :shrugs: | |
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Christopher said: Cinnie said: blame it on the goose gotcha feelin loose? :shrugs: blame it on the ah ah/ah/ah | |
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let her go on her terms or she'll pull away from you. [Edited 3/16/09 19:53pm] 12/05/2011
P*$$y so bad, if u throw it into da air, it would turn into sunshine!!! | |
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keyiemo said: coolcat said: What worries me about the prom is how the other students will treat her if she goes with another girl... It worries me, too. She had medium length hair and cut it to start dreads. Almost everyday she comes home saying someone called her a boy or worse. I told her if this is the lifestyle she chooses, then ok..but don't flaunt it. I have this horrible image of that scene from the movie "Carrie" that keeps flashing everytime she says prom/tuxedo. Mama, it's not a lifestyle, it's a life AND she didn't choose it. It really shows what a great mother you are if she came up to you and opened up about her true self. As long as she's safe, she should wear what she wants and take who she wants to take. It's going to be a growing experience for both of you. MyeternalgrattitudetoPhil&Val.Herman said "We want sweaty truckers at the truck stop! We want cigar puffing men that look like they wanna beat the living daylights out of us" Val"sporking is spooning with benefits" | |
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I'd let her go but I'd seriously try 2 talk her out of the tux idea.
Not a good idea. Maybe offer some alternative outfits. | |
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she is and will always be your daughter, no matter what. you're not going to be around for ever, and she's going to need to have someone love her for who she is.
thank god she's found someone to give and receive love from. maybe this is not her life partner, but she's found someone to accept her for who she is, inside and out. let her go to the prom as she wants, not as you want. be happy for her. it's her life and more than anything else, she needs your acceptance and love. | |
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keyiemo said: I don't post often but I have an issue and wanted to get another opinion.
My daughter is a senior and has recently came to me and said that she likes girls. I admit that I wasn't too happy about it at first but I'm slowly coming to terms with it. The prom is coming up and she says that she wants to ask a girl and also wear a tuxedo. I've been very adamant and have told her that she will NOT wear a tuxedo and will NOT take a girl or she will not go. Needless to say things haven't been too happy around our house. She's very upset with me and keeps telling me that it's her prom and she should be able to wear what she wants. My question is this: What would you do if you were in the same situation? Let her Go. Let her be herself. Look at having a gay daughter as a blessing and not a curse. God saw you as special enough to give one of his unique creations. Treat it that way 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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keyiemo said: I guess I just don't want her to be hurt. Kids are cruel and I don't want her to have a memory of being taunted at her prom.
She probably already deals with it. Even if kids get crazy and stupid she will have done it her way. She will always be proud of that. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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FunkMistress said: Tell that mother to go fuck herself.
Or start quoting scripture to her about how you're not supposed to wear certain fabrics together, or how she must sacrifice a bull on Fridays, or any other arbitrary stuff that can be pulled from scripture as people see fit. . or how she SHOULD NOT JUDGE 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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keyiemo said: FunkMistress said: Tell that mother to go fuck herself. Or start quoting scripture to her about how you're not supposed to wear certain fabrics together, or how she must sacrifice a bull on Fridays, or any other arbitrary stuff that can be pulled from scripture as people see fit. Don't let people's narrow-mindedness and fear keep you from being a strong, loving, supportive mother to your baby. She gets on my everlasting nerves...she even tried to get us to go to kingdom hall with her last Sunday. And then she asked us to come over so we could sit and discuss this but I didn't go. Later her daughter told my daughter that she'd invited someone from church to talk to us. If they show up at your door, make sure you tell them to wait a sec before entering then strip naked and see if they want to preach to your breasts 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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Lammastide said: Vendetta1 said: Can we make love down by the fire, Lamma?
I don't think Bill would appreciate that. NEITHER WOULD I 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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i feel we all gave good advice.....none of which was appreciated.
just sayin. | |
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BlackAdder7 said: i feel we all gave good advice.....none of which was appreciated.
just sayin. you're trippin' the bulk of the discussion took place in the first two hours from the time the OP started the thread. she also responded 24 times to that discussion and repeatedly thanked (aka appreciated) people for their input! you come along a day later with your post and just because you didn't get a response you feel slighted? for all we know the OP hasn't even been back to the org. just sayin, adder. | |
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BlackAdder7 said: i feel we all gave good advice.....none of which was appreciated.
just sayin. I want to apologize to anyone who felt I wasn't appreciative of the advice and comments that they gave to me. I was thankful for all of your advice and also for the private messages that were sent to me. BTW...FloralElephants, I ordered Camp Out and I'm still waiting for it. Should have been here yesterday....guess I better call Amazon.. | |
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keyiemo said: BlackAdder7 said: i feel we all gave good advice.....none of which was appreciated.
just sayin. I want to apologize to anyone who felt I wasn't appreciative of the advice and comments that they gave to me. I was thankful for all of your advice and also for the private messages that were sent to me. BTW...FloralElephants, I ordered Camp Out and I'm still waiting for it. Should have been here yesterday....guess I better call Amazon.. Sorry to you Keyiemo, and to Emm....I was wrong you were right...just hug your daughter and tell her the org loves her. | |
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BlackAdder7 said: i feel we all gave good advice.....none of which was appreciated.
just sayin. You better just CALM DOWN! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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keyiemo said: BlackAdder7 said: i feel we all gave good advice.....none of which was appreciated.
just sayin. I want to apologize to anyone who felt I wasn't appreciative of the advice and comments that they gave to me. I was thankful for all of your advice and also for the private messages that were sent to me. BTW...FloralElephants, I ordered Camp Out and I'm still waiting for it. Should have been here yesterday....guess I better call Amazon.. Ever heard of PFLAG? Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays. Your daughter isn't going to change in this lifetime so a support group, if you feel you need it, might be a good thing But there's always the org. It's full of homos and lezzies and you can always ask us ANYTHING. We aint shy All the best Keyiemo 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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emm said: BlackAdder7 said: i feel we all gave good advice.....none of which was appreciated.
just sayin. you're trippin' the bulk of the discussion took place in the first two hours from the time the OP started the thread. she also responded 24 times to that discussion and repeatedly thanked (aka appreciated) people for their input! you come along a day later with your post and just because you didn't get a response you feel slighted? for all we know the OP hasn't even been back to the org. just sayin, adder. Just to give a long (crazy) update...I was only able to get online for a quick second yesterday before all hell broke loose. I received a phone call from the mother of the girl my daughter wanted to take to the prom. She said that her daughter had left home crying because they got into it about my daughter/prom. She wanted to know if her daughter was at my house. I went downstairs and omg, she was there with my daughter crying her eyes out. I told her mom I would bring her home and hung up the phone. I was trying to ask the girls what was going on and what happened and so forth. My daughter was crying by this time and I kept telling them to calm down and tell me what was going on. I could not calm them down and I felt so freaking helpless.....I guess I was taking too long because the mom showed up. She came in (didn't knock on my door just came in!)and started cursing out her daughter and telling her that she was not going to the prom with a girl dressed in a tux and telling her that she was crazy if she thought she was going to let her have a girlfriend.She said that they were not acting natural and God didn't make women to be together. She said they were both going to hell..She then started on me, saying people were not born with these feelings..that they learned them. She said that I was wrong for entertaining my daughter's whims. No matter how I really feel about the situation..I wasn't going to let her talk about my child or me in MY house. I ended up cursing her out and telling them to GET THE *UCK OUT OF MY *UCKING HOUSE WITH YOUR DUMB ASS!! They finally left with her telling my daughter to stay away from her child. It was so crazy. I actually at one point felt myself walking towards this lady to punch her in the face! I was SO mad! After they left, I made the mistake of telling my daughter this is the type of *hit I'd been telling her about. She started talking crazy talk saying she was moving out and her and the girl were going to live together and she was just spewing a whole bunch of nonsense. We were arguing and it was just really bad...I didn't sleep last night. I dozed off around 6am and got up around 1. Got online to check a few things and then decided to look on here to see what was new..... Anyway, that's what's going on in my crazy world..... | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: keyiemo said: I want to apologize to anyone who felt I wasn't appreciative of the advice and comments that they gave to me. I was thankful for all of your advice and also for the private messages that were sent to me. BTW...FloralElephants, I ordered Camp Out and I'm still waiting for it. Should have been here yesterday....guess I better call Amazon.. Ever heard of PFLAG? Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays. Your daughter isn't going to change in this lifetime so a support group, if you feel you need it, might be a good thing But there's always the org. It's full of homos and lezzies and you can always ask us ANYTHING. We aint shy All the best Keyiemo I haven't heard of it but will certainly look into it... Thanks. | |
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keyiemo said: emm said: you're trippin' the bulk of the discussion took place in the first two hours from the time the OP started the thread. she also responded 24 times to that discussion and repeatedly thanked (aka appreciated) people for their input! you come along a day later with your post and just because you didn't get a response you feel slighted? for all we know the OP hasn't even been back to the org. just sayin, adder. Just to give a long (crazy) update...I was only able to get online for a quick second yesterday before all hell broke loose. I received a phone call from the mother of the girl my daughter wanted to take to the prom. She said that her daughter had left home crying because they got into it about my daughter/prom. She wanted to know if her daughter was at my house. I went downstairs and omg, she was there with my daughter crying her eyes out. I told her mom I would bring her home and hung up the phone. I was trying to ask the girls what was going on and what happened and so forth. My daughter was crying by this time and I kept telling them to calm down and tell me what was going on. I could not calm them down and I felt so freaking helpless.....I guess I was taking too long because the mom showed up. She came in (didn't knock on my door just came in!)and started cursing out her daughter and telling her that she was not going to the prom with a girl dressed in a tux and telling her that she was crazy if she thought she was going to let her have a girlfriend.She said that they were not acting natural and God didn't make women to be together. She said they were both going to hell..She then started on me, saying people were not born with these feelings..that they learned them. She said that I was wrong for entertaining my daughter's whims. No matter how I really feel about the situation..I wasn't going to let her talk about my child or me in MY house. I ended up cursing her out and telling them to GET THE *UCK OUT OF MY *UCKING HOUSE WITH YOUR DUMB ASS!! They finally left with her telling my daughter to stay away from her child. It was so crazy. I actually at one point felt myself walking towards this lady to punch her in the face! I was SO mad! After they left, I made the mistake of telling my daughter this is the type of *hit I'd been telling her about. She started talking crazy talk saying she was moving out and her and the girl were going to live together and she was just spewing a whole bunch of nonsense. We were arguing and it was just really bad...I didn't sleep last night. I dozed off around 6am and got up around 1. Got online to check a few things and then decided to look on here to see what was new..... Anyway, that's what's going on in my crazy world..... Hang in there, i said nasty shit to my folks too when we fought but with discussion and understanding all can be worked out. Support,care and understanding are the way forward. It sounds like your daughter reacted to the "you cant" attitude of the other mother, now is your chance to demonstrate that you are not like that. I wish you well and hope for for you and your daughter. Oh and i woulda punched the fuck out of her too | |
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keyiemo said: She then started on me, saying people were not born with these feelings..that they learned them. She said that I was wrong for entertaining my daughter's whims.
SHE. IS. DEAD. WRONG Every gay and lesbian person will tell you we are born this way and anybody doing the whole "I chose" routine always has religious hangups. 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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keyiemo said: emm said: you're trippin' the bulk of the discussion took place in the first two hours from the time the OP started the thread. she also responded 24 times to that discussion and repeatedly thanked (aka appreciated) people for their input! you come along a day later with your post and just because you didn't get a response you feel slighted? for all we know the OP hasn't even been back to the org. just sayin, adder. Just to give a long (crazy) update...I was only able to get online for a quick second yesterday before all hell broke loose. I received a phone call from the mother of the girl my daughter wanted to take to the prom. She said that her daughter had left home crying because they got into it about my daughter/prom. She wanted to know if her daughter was at my house. I went downstairs and omg, she was there with my daughter crying her eyes out. I told her mom I would bring her home and hung up the phone. I was trying to ask the girls what was going on and what happened and so forth. My daughter was crying by this time and I kept telling them to calm down and tell me what was going on. I could not calm them down and I felt so freaking helpless.....I guess I was taking too long because the mom showed up. She came in (didn't knock on my door just came in!)and started cursing out her daughter and telling her that she was not going to the prom with a girl dressed in a tux and telling her that she was crazy if she thought she was going to let her have a girlfriend.She said that they were not acting natural and God didn't make women to be together. She said they were both going to hell..She then started on me, saying people were not born with these feelings..that they learned them. She said that I was wrong for entertaining my daughter's whims. No matter how I really feel about the situation..I wasn't going to let her talk about my child or me in MY house. I ended up cursing her out and telling them to GET THE *UCK OUT OF MY *UCKING HOUSE WITH YOUR DUMB ASS!! They finally left with her telling my daughter to stay away from her child. It was so crazy. I actually at one point felt myself walking towards this lady to punch her in the face! I was SO mad! After they left, I made the mistake of telling my daughter this is the type of *hit I'd been telling her about. She started talking crazy talk saying she was moving out and her and the girl were going to live together and she was just spewing a whole bunch of nonsense. We were arguing and it was just really bad...I didn't sleep last night. I dozed off around 6am and got up around 1. Got online to check a few things and then decided to look on here to see what was new..... Anyway, that's what's going on in my crazy world..... BLACK ADDER SHAME ON YOU! Next time take a before dadding out on someone! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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keyiemo said: emm said: you're trippin' the bulk of the discussion took place in the first two hours from the time the OP started the thread. she also responded 24 times to that discussion and repeatedly thanked (aka appreciated) people for their input! you come along a day later with your post and just because you didn't get a response you feel slighted? for all we know the OP hasn't even been back to the org. just sayin, adder. Just to give a long (crazy) update...I was only able to get online for a quick second yesterday before all hell broke loose. I received a phone call from the mother of the girl my daughter wanted to take to the prom. She said that her daughter had left home crying because they got into it about my daughter/prom. She wanted to know if her daughter was at my house. I went downstairs and omg, she was there with my daughter crying her eyes out. I told her mom I would bring her home and hung up the phone. I was trying to ask the girls what was going on and what happened and so forth. My daughter was crying by this time and I kept telling them to calm down and tell me what was going on. I could not calm them down and I felt so freaking helpless.....I guess I was taking too long because the mom showed up. She came in (didn't knock on my door just came in!)and started cursing out her daughter and telling her that she was not going to the prom with a girl dressed in a tux and telling her that she was crazy if she thought she was going to let her have a girlfriend.She said that they were not acting natural and God didn't make women to be together. She said they were both going to hell..She then started on me, saying people were not born with these feelings..that they learned them. She said that I was wrong for entertaining my daughter's whims. No matter how I really feel about the situation..I wasn't going to let her talk about my child or me in MY house. I ended up cursing her out and telling them to GET THE *UCK OUT OF MY *UCKING HOUSE WITH YOUR DUMB ASS!! They finally left with her telling my daughter to stay away from her child. It was so crazy. I actually at one point felt myself walking towards this lady to punch her in the face! I was SO mad! After they left, I made the mistake of telling my daughter this is the type of *hit I'd been telling her about. She started talking crazy talk saying she was moving out and her and the girl were going to live together and she was just spewing a whole bunch of nonsense. We were arguing and it was just really bad...I didn't sleep last night. I dozed off around 6am and got up around 1. Got online to check a few things and then decided to look on here to see what was new..... Anyway, that's what's going on in my crazy world..... One day you're actually going to look back on this and think wow, that entertaiment was cheaper than cable! Crazy times but your daughter is on the verge, if not already, in womanhood. She is your child and she will always be that to you but she is becoming herself and believe me, confronting this about ourselves is the hardest thing EVER. Straight people never have to actually question their own existence in the way that many of us are forced to do. I too came from a religous household and the religion aspect made things so much harder. I've been out for 21 years now, I'm happy, my family is happy and we're living and loving the best we can. This life is short, don't miss out on or lose your daughter because of something that is not in her control. If God didn't want us here, we would never have been born. I always feel that God chooses special people to raise gay kids. It aint easy for anyone but the alternative for gay kids can be horrifying. We support her, we support you. I wish you all the best and if you need to talk, just give a shout! 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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