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Printablepeacenlovealways said: she was 13...some people don't know the damage that does to the victim...physically and emotionally.
Wtf? Why even say this? Not one person dismissed the effect this kind of thing does to a person - of any age. | |
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PurpleJedi said: mdiver said:  Civilisation is fuckedAbsolutely, and mainly because people no longer fear there being any consequences to their actions. You can say "lock him away for life" and feel good about yourself, but the truth is that these pervs get a slap on the wrist and are sent out on the street to start anew. So a scumbag rapes a f*cking THIRTEEN YEAR OLD, and her kin give him an old fashion ass-whoopin'. So what?! It's a consequence of his actions. Like throwing a bowling ball up in the air and not moving out of the way when it comes down. Like getting shit-faced drunk and falling onto a subway track and losing a limb. Like a 130-lb computer geek picking a fight with a 300-lb NFL linebacker and losing most his teeth. CONSEQUENCES. Was the family of the rape victim acting irrationally, vengeful and un-Christianlike? Yup. But some of us think that the rape of a child is a heinous enough act that the consequence of that action call for more than just an inconvenient incarceration. You people seem to be very confused here. 
Saying that one finds vengeance and street justice disgusting does not mean that they feel the current justice system is appropriate either. Changes need to be made within the system, not taken into the hands of vigilantes. | |
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PurpleJedi said: mdiver said: Civilisation is fuckedAbsolutely, and mainly because people no longer fear there being any consequences to their actions. You can say "lock him away for life" and feel good about yourself, but the truth is that these pervs get a slap on the wrist and are sent out on the street to start anew. So a scumbag rapes a f*cking THIRTEEN YEAR OLD, and her kin give him an old fashion ass-whoopin'. So what?! It's a consequence of his actions. Like throwing a bowling ball up in the air and not moving out of the way when it comes down. Like getting shit-faced drunk and falling onto a subway track and losing a limb. Like a 130-lb computer geek picking a fight with a 300-lb NFL linebacker and losing most his teeth. CONSEQUENCES. Was the family of the rape victim acting irrationally, vengeful and un-Christianlike? Yup. But some of us think that the rape of a child is a heinous enough act that the consequence of that action call for more than just an inconvenient incarceration. Yup, and now THEY will have consequences, jail hopefully and the list of consequences will grow because of this heinous act | |
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DesireeNevermind said: coolcat said: Too many innocent men in prison today also. How many have been exonerated after spending years in prison... If the justice system is so incompetent in finding the right guy... then I'm really not going to trust vigilantes to be able to... [Edited 3/6/09 20:28pm] you tell me how many men have been exonerated. and tell me how many of them were sentenced to prison for raping a child and they turned out to be innocent. the justice system is incompetent when it comes to protecting children. why do you think the statistics for child rape and murder and all other abuse is so high. I think ur focusing on the wrong topic- either that or you been watching too much CNN. Even one wrong conviction is one too many. If you want examples of child rape convictions that turned out wrong just do a google search. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mcmeekle said: Set the vigilantes onto the rapist, his friends and his family? Are you joking?  Um...No. You'd be surprised how many people have child molesting child abusing family members and friends but choose to ignore the issue. Also, there is the fact that many child molesters associate with other child molesters. Its a club of sorts. So every family member and every friend of every rapist are always in on it? If not, how do you decide who gets the `pipe treatment` and who doesn't? |
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PurpleJedi said: mdiver said: Civilisation is fuckedAbsolutely, and mainly because people no longer fear there being any consequences to their actions. You can say "lock him away for life" and feel good about yourself, but the truth is that these pervs get a slap on the wrist and are sent out on the street to start anew. So a scumbag rapes a f*cking THIRTEEN YEAR OLD, and her kin give him an old fashion ass-whoopin'. So what?! It's a consequence of his actions. Like throwing a bowling ball up in the air and not moving out of the way when it comes down. Like getting shit-faced drunk and falling onto a subway track and losing a limb. Like a 130-lb computer geek picking a fight with a 300-lb NFL linebacker and losing most his teeth. CONSEQUENCES. Was the family of the rape victim acting irrationally, vengeful and un-Christianlike? Yup. But some of us think that the rape of a child is a heinous enough act that the consequence of that action call for more than just an inconvenient incarceration. It's not about "consequences", it's about allowing Joe Bloggs and his mate/s to decide on who is guilty and what the punishment should be. You're late for the doctors, knowingly park illegally to make your appointment, me and my mate decide to take sledge hammers to your car as a punishment for doing so. Happy with those consequences? |
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mdiver said: PurpleJedi said: Absolutely, and mainly because people no longer fear there being any consequences to their actions. You can say "lock him away for life" and feel good about yourself, but the truth is that these pervs get a slap on the wrist and are sent out on the street to start anew. So a scumbag rapes a f*cking THIRTEEN YEAR OLD, and her kin give him an old fashion ass-whoopin'. So what?! It's a consequence of his actions. Like throwing a bowling ball up in the air and not moving out of the way when it comes down. Like getting shit-faced drunk and falling onto a subway track and losing a limb. Like a 130-lb computer geek picking a fight with a 300-lb NFL linebacker and losing most his teeth. CONSEQUENCES. Was the family of the rape victim acting irrationally, vengeful and un-Christianlike? Yup. But some of us think that the rape of a child is a heinous enough act that the consequence of that action call for more than just an inconvenient incarceration. Yup, and now THEY will have consequences, jail hopefully and the list of consequences will grow because of this heinous act Now let's have the pipe beaten guy's family retaliate against those who beat him! Consequences! | |
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mcmeekle said: DesireeNevermind said: Um...No. You'd be surprised how many people have child molesting child abusing family members and friends but choose to ignore the issue. Also, there is the fact that many child molesters associate with other child molesters. Its a club of sorts. So every family member and every friend of every rapist are always in on it? If not, how do you decide who gets the `pipe treatment` and who doesn't? I would say 95% of the time they know and either out of love or fear or denial they do nothing. so um...yeah hit them over the head with the pipe too or charge them with aiding and abetting (sp). I mean is this news to you? why do you think with all criminals, not just the child pervs, law enforcement STARTS with the friends and family - questioning them, searching their homes etc. History has shown us that there is such a thing as enabling, complicity and co-conspiracy. We all know who the losers are in our family/circle of friends. | |
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JustErin said: mdiver said: Yup, and now THEY will have consequences, jail hopefully and the list of consequences will grow because of this heinous act Now let's have the pipe beaten guy's family retaliate against those who beat him! Consequences! Retaliate in support of child rape? The ole "he didnt' mean it" song and dance? That will never happen. The rapist friends and family will lay low until he's released, they will pretend like they had not a clue, all the while sending him money for commissary and having a nice warm bed waiting for him when he arrives...that's unless one of his neices/nephews comes forward and says they were assaulted as well. Fuck these perves and anybody whose got their back. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: JustErin said: Now let's have the pipe beaten guy's family retaliate against those who beat him! Consequences! Retaliate in support of child rape? The ole "he didnt' mean it" song and dance? That will never happen. The rapist friends and family will lay low until he's released, they will pretend like they had not a clue, all the while sending him money for commissary and having a nice warm bed waiting for him when he arrives...that's unless one of his neices/nephews comes forward and says they were assaulted as well. Fuck these perves and anybody whose got their back. Man, you're just not getting it. Too bad a lot of people seem to just not get it. | |
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JustErin said: DesireeNevermind said: Retaliate in support of child rape? The ole "he didnt' mean it" song and dance? That will never happen. The rapist friends and family will lay low until he's released, they will pretend like they had not a clue, all the while sending him money for commissary and having a nice warm bed waiting for him when he arrives...that's unless one of his neices/nephews comes forward and says they were assaulted as well. Fuck these perves and anybody whose got their back. Man, you're just not getting it. Too bad a lot of people seem to just not get it. You're the one who doesn't get it. You don't get the seroiusness of these types of crimes, the recidivism rates, the trauma to the victims and their families. Sheesh what planet you living on? Amazing how some folk look so lightly upon this issue. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: JustErin said: Man, you're just not getting it. Too bad a lot of people seem to just not get it. You're the one who doesn't get it. You don't get the seroiusness of these types of crimes, the recidivism rates, the trauma to the victims and their families. Sheesh what planet you living on? Amazing how some folk look so lightly upon this issue. Again, you're clueless here. I've never once downplayed the seriousness of these crimes. I know first hand how serious rape is, so I suggest you stop with trying to lay that "looks at this lightly" label on me. But for the 3rd (or is it 4th time) I'm not even discussing the crime itself here. I'm talking about street justice. | |
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JustErin said: peacenlovealways said: she was 13...some people don't know the damage that does to the victim...physically and emotionally.
Wtf? Why even say this? Not one person dismissed the effect this kind of thing does to a person - of any age. yeah, I wasn't really replying to anyone in this thread...I was just saying....yeah.... unlucky7 reincarnated | |
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wow, this thread is heating up.... unlucky7 reincarnated | |
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JustErin said: DesireeNevermind said: You're the one who doesn't get it. You don't get the seroiusness of these types of crimes, the recidivism rates, the trauma to the victims and their families. Sheesh what planet you living on? Amazing how some folk look so lightly upon this issue. Again, you're clueless here. I've never once downplayed the seriousness of these crimes. I know first hand how serious rape is, so I suggest you stop with trying to lay that "looks at this lightly" label on me. But for the 3rd (or is it 4th time) I'm not even discussing the crime itself here. I'm talking about street justice. Im not counting how many times you've posted to other orgers so whuteva! Seems to me most on this thread ARE discussing the crime. Street Justice, Natural Law, vigilantism, devine right of parents to protect their offspring, whatever you want to call it. That piece of shit had it coming and more! Im sad that you feel sorry or sympathy for him but to each his own. You know first hand? Well so do I, so now what. We will just agree to disagree. I'm sure we disagree on a lot of things where crimes against the defenseless are concerned. ~Peace | |
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mcmeekle said: PurpleJedi said: Absolutely, and mainly because people no longer fear there being any consequences to their actions. You can say "lock him away for life" and feel good about yourself, but the truth is that these pervs get a slap on the wrist and are sent out on the street to start anew. So a scumbag rapes a f*cking THIRTEEN YEAR OLD, and her kin give him an old fashion ass-whoopin'. So what?! It's a consequence of his actions. Like throwing a bowling ball up in the air and not moving out of the way when it comes down. Like getting shit-faced drunk and falling onto a subway track and losing a limb. Like a 130-lb computer geek picking a fight with a 300-lb NFL linebacker and losing most his teeth. CONSEQUENCES. Was the family of the rape victim acting irrationally, vengeful and un-Christianlike? Yup. But some of us think that the rape of a child is a heinous enough act that the consequence of that action call for more than just an inconvenient incarceration. It's not about "consequences", it's about allowing Joe Bloggs and his mate/s to decide on who is guilty and what the punishment should be. Is the guy innocent? If so, then the girl needs to pay for her lying. You're late for the doctors, knowingly park illegally to make your appointment, me and my mate decide to take sledge hammers to your car as a punishment for doing so. Happy with those consequences?
Did I block your driveway when I parked illegally and inconvenience you? Then yeah, I would accept that consequence. I wouldn't be HAPPY about it (did I ever mention the work "happy"?) but it would be the consequence of my action. Late or not, I shouldn't have blocked your driveway. My tardiness should not compromise your personal space. Same way that people who park illegally in front of fire hydrants get their windows smashed in by the fire department if they need to access the hydrant and your stupid ass was bold enough to park there. If either of these scenarios frighten you, then don't drive a car in the New York tri-state area! By St. Boogar and all the saints at the backside door of Purgatory! | |
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DesireeNevermind said: JustErin said: Again, you're clueless here. I've never once downplayed the seriousness of these crimes. I know first hand how serious rape is, so I suggest you stop with trying to lay that "looks at this lightly" label on me. But for the 3rd (or is it 4th time) I'm not even discussing the crime itself here. I'm talking about street justice. Im not counting how many times you've posted to other orgers so whuteva! Seems to me most on this thread ARE discussing the crime. Street Justice, Natural Law, vigilantism, devine right of parents to protect their offspring, whatever you want to call it. That piece of shit had it coming and more! Im sad that you feel sorry or sympathy for him but to each his own. You know first hand? Well so do I, so now what. We will just agree to disagree. I'm sure we disagree on a lot of things where crimes against the defenseless are concerned. ~Peace Again, you're off in the wrong direction. I never said I feel sympathy for the dude and your direct implication that I am somehow unsympathetic and do not care about the 'defenseless' is a perfect example of the kind of response that I said I find gross in the first place. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mcmeekle said: So every family member and every friend of every rapist are always in on it? If not, how do you decide who gets the `pipe treatment` and who doesn't? I would say 95% of the time they know and either out of love or fear or denial they do nothing. so um...yeah hit them over the head with the pipe too or charge them with aiding and abetting (sp). I mean is this news to you? why do you think with all criminals, not just the child pervs, law enforcement STARTS with the friends and family - questioning them, searching their homes etc. History has shown us that there is such a thing as enabling, complicity and co-conspiracy. We all know who the losers are in our family/circle of friends. 95% you say, not 94% or 96%? 
Why not just indiscriminately beat everyone with a pipe. That way you're bound to hit someone guilty. That's the way to do it! |
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PurpleJedi said:[quote] mcmeekle said: Is the guy innocent? If so, then the girl needs to pay for her lying. You're late for the doctors, knowingly park illegally to make your appointment, me and my mate decide to take sledge hammers to your car as a punishment for doing so. Happy with those consequences?
Did I block your driveway when I parked illegally and inconvenience you? Then yeah, I would accept that consequence. I wouldn't be HAPPY about it (did I ever mention the work "happy"?) but it would be the consequence of my action. Late or not, I shouldn't have blocked your driveway. My tardiness should not compromise your personal space. Same way that people who park illegally in front of fire hydrants get their windows smashed in by the fire department if they need to access the hydrant and your stupid ass was bold enough to park there. If either of these scenarios frighten you, then don't drive a car in the New York tri-state area! This thread frightens me! |
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mcmeekle said: DesireeNevermind said: I would say 95% of the time they know and either out of love or fear or denial they do nothing. so um...yeah hit them over the head with the pipe too or charge them with aiding and abetting (sp). I mean is this news to you? why do you think with all criminals, not just the child pervs, law enforcement STARTS with the friends and family - questioning them, searching their homes etc. History has shown us that there is such a thing as enabling, complicity and co-conspiracy. We all know who the losers are in our family/circle of friends. 95% you say, not 94% or 96%?
Why not just indiscriminately beat everyone with a pipe. That way you're bound to hit someone guilty. That's the way to do it! Actually you would be right about finding someone guilty of something but I am specifically talking about child rapist/molesters and I said that 95% of family and friends of child sex offenders know these jerks are menaces to society and have this sick addiction. Im not saying 95% of people ARE child rapists Jeez! If that were true I'd kill all you mofos!  Er uh excuse me 95% of you mofos. The only thing making this crime so prevalent is the silence..from the victims (who have no one looking out for them) and those that protect the offenders (their kin and homies).
Anyways, back to your everyone bound to be guilty theory...Im not into laying pipe to one's head over some misdemeanor drug shit, jaywalking, unpaid parking tickets, calling a cop fuckhead, truancy from kids or any of the other meaningless crap clogging up our jails and court systems. Hope that clears it up for ya  Whooping somebody's ass with a pipe is a special punishment for special crimes. Actually I woulda thrown in some tazing and hungry pit bulls but that's just me. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mcmeekle said: 95% you say, not 94% or 96%?
Why not just indiscriminately beat everyone with a pipe. That way you're bound to hit someone guilty. That's the way to do it! Actually you would be right about finding someone guilty of something but I am specifically talking about child rapist/molesters and I said that 95% of family and friends of child sex offenders know these jerks are menaces to society and have this sick addiction. Im not saying 95% of people ARE child rapists Jeez! If that were true I'd kill all you mofos! Er uh excuse me 95% of you mofos. The only thing making this crime so prevalent is the silence..from the victims (who have no one looking out for them) and those that protect the offenders (their kin and homies).
Anyways, back to your everyone bound to be guilty theory...Im not into laying pipe to one's head over some misdemeanor drug shit, jaywalking, unpaid parking tickets, calling a cop fuckhead, truancy from kids or any of the other meaningless crap clogging up our jails and court systems. Hope that clears it up for ya Whooping somebody's ass with a pipe is a special punishment for special crimes. Actually I woulda thrown in some tazing and hungry pit bulls but that's just me.Do you have a source for your 95% assertion? | |
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DesireeNevermind said: meow85 said: I can get with your overall point, but watch it with the ethnocentrism will you? It's ignorant. before you accuse me of being ethnocentric maybe you ought to point out to me which ethnicity I'm referring to...since you apparently have the power to read my thoughts?  "Some cultures this, some cultures that" "Bottom line is the US will have to be better than other nations" If you don't see what's wrong with those words, I can't help you. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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mdiver said: Rapist, especially of a minor deserves life behind bars. The behavior of these thugs deserves punishment too. I understand why, i just think it is wrong too.
what he said the key words in the article are suspect and alleged. | |
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JustErin said: Aannastesia2 said: I'm thinking life behind bars for Berryhill
and probation for his attackers...her defenders... They weren't defending her. It was payback. [Edited 3/5/09 10:07am] what she said too. Hot and opinionated. :geil: | |
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mdiver said: DesireeNevermind said: Actually you would be right about finding someone guilty of something but I am specifically talking about child rapist/molesters and I said that 95% of family and friends of child sex offenders know these jerks are menaces to society and have this sick addiction. Im not saying 95% of people ARE child rapists Jeez! If that were true I'd kill all you mofos! Er uh excuse me 95% of you mofos. The only thing making this crime so prevalent is the silence..from the victims (who have no one looking out for them) and those that protect the offenders (their kin and homies).
Anyways, back to your everyone bound to be guilty theory...Im not into laying pipe to one's head over some misdemeanor drug shit, jaywalking, unpaid parking tickets, calling a cop fuckhead, truancy from kids or any of the other meaningless crap clogging up our jails and court systems. Hope that clears it up for ya Whooping somebody's ass with a pipe is a special punishment for special crimes. Actually I woulda thrown in some tazing and hungry pit bulls but that's just me.Do you have a source for your 95% assertion? I suggest you google recidivism rates of child molesters/rapists and family and friends of convicted sex offenders and start there with your research unless you have the time to study criminal justice. You might want to contact attorneys who specialize in prosecuting sex crimes and they will tell you often the family and friends know. In many cases those who are predators were preyed upon themselves by someone they know- friend or family member. Having relatives that work in law enforcement and marriage/family counseling provides me with my info and makes me very passionate about this issue. You will find that these parasites are legion in number and their friends and family are aware of their peversion - not saying they condone it but in these special cases I believe in guilt by association. Like I said, either out of denial, fear, love (its still their family/friend) they keep silent. And btw, you don't have a source to counter my assertion.  | |
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DesireeNevermind said: mdiver said: Do you have a source for your 95% assertion? I suggest you google recidivism rates of child molesters/rapists and family and friends of convicted sex offenders and start there with your research unless you have the time to study criminal justice. You might want to contact attorneys who specialize in prosecuting sex crimes and they will tell you often the family and friends know. In many cases those who are predators were preyed upon themselves by someone they know- friend or family member. Having relatives that work in law enforcement and marriage/family counseling provides me with my info and makes me very passionate about this issue. You will find that these parasites are legion in number and their friends and family are aware of their peversion - not saying they condone it but in these special cases I believe in guilt by association. Like I said, either out of denial, fear, love (its still their family/friend) they keep silent. And btw, you don't have a source to counter my assertion. You made the assertion, it is up to YOU to back it up. You can't just claim a number with no backup, otherwise it is just your own personal opinion, fine if it is, just say so and we will know that this is just heresay. | |
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meow85 said: DesireeNevermind said: before you accuse me of being ethnocentric maybe you ought to point out to me which ethnicity I'm referring to...since you apparently have the power to read my thoughts? "Some cultures this, some cultures that" "Bottom line is the US will have to be better than other nations" If you don't see what's wrong with those words, I can't help you. First of all, who asked you for help? You still haven't pointed out what cultures i am targeting. you haven't even bothered to address what culture you think I might be representing. the definition of ethnocentric is to look at the world primarily from one's own cultural view and I don't see how you presume that I am being ethnocentric. America, where this horrible crime and many more like it occurred, is NOT a culture but a nation comprised of many cultures. I simply tried to illustrate that in some cultures, child rape is not a concept for the simple fact that again some cultures engage in marrying children to adults, take India and Congo for example, some cultures engage in open child prostitution, take Thailand, and some cultures had a practice of sex between parent and child as an educational tool , take Germany and Sweden. So excuse me for omitting these minor details. Hope that provides some clarification for you. And btw, you can research all of this on your own. May take some time but its a worthy education. | |
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