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PrintableBSOD said: mdiver said: Bottom line from someone that integrates large networks, if you are a loner get a mac, if you want interoperability ....don't Graycap, the Mac is better in every way that matters to YOU. That is not the same for everyone. What networks managers always fail to realize is a true inter operational business model should be built on Linux with Novell zenworks running on it, which supports macs, pcs, linux, unix, and PDAs seemlessly. The current 'inter operational' Microsoft/Citrix/solutions is a joke. I agree, but the fact is that they are not | |
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i just bought a Sony Z and  it.
Took me a while to adjust to the smaller screen, but i'm liking that too. i can always pick up a monitor if it starts to bug me. | |
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BSOD said: It cost several hundred bucks for new version of Windows OSs.
And the cost of sending a laptop to a pc tech aren't cheap either. And PC owners always have to do that. Always. The only reason my PCs ran relatively smoothly and were low cost was that I knew how to support and build them. I can't imagine being in Carrie's position and owning the PCs I owned. It would be costly. You can indeed get cheap PCs. I don't know if I'd call that 'value' though 
Most of the mac owners here who , from what I can tell , love their macs were driven away from PCS. I doubt many of them are lifetime mac users. I certainly am not. I mean, 400 bucks for the office suite, 200-300 for the OS, 100 a year for the anti-virus.... these things add up if unless you can torrent them. I'm not saying mac's arent' pricey. But the idea the value is not there is silly to a mac owner. It's the best computer purchase I've ever made. If you get a custom PC built from Dell or a mom-and-pop PC shop, you don't have to pay for anything except the Windows OS and labor (unless you ask for a Linux OS install  , then you're only paying for parts and labor). Instead of shelling out tons of money for the Microsoft Office suite, just go to sourceforge.net and download Open Office. It does everything that Microsoft Office does (Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Access, etc.) but it is completely free!  BTW, Sourceforge have tons of free anti-virus programs for Windows users, and it is a veritable warehouse for Linux developers. They also have free sound editing programs on there so if you want to create that nee techno mix on your computer, you can do so.
If you're a PC user who just wants a fairly reliable laptop which will run all of your Windows PC programs, get a Dell or Sony Vaio but try to dump all of the unnecessary programs from the system and reload them with Open Office and the free anti-virus stuff. If you are a techno geek  and you want the reliability and security of a Mac but don't have the funds to buy one, buy a cheap PC laptop but make sure it doesn't have an OS installed and do a clean install of Ubuntu Linux or whatever Linux distribution you like. If you have the money to shell out, then definitely get a Mac. 
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ZK, for Xmas I got my wife this here...
The HP HDX16t Premium and it is BADASS! best PC she's EVER owned! GO HERE: http://www.shopping.hp.co...16t_series A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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We have 1 Dell laptop and one regular Dell PC and one HP laptop
No complaints or major troubles over the past 5 yrs 
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All major manufacturers will have decent laptops that will work.
But it really depends on your needs. I found that the Tablet PC works for me because I can use Photoshop with a graphic pen right on the screen. I found that MacBook worked for me because it's so user friendly and stable. Plus some of the Pro Audio companies are concentrating on developing for Mac, first. Apogee, one of the top quality manufacturer of audio interfaces has recently moved to developing for Mac only. ProTools started with Mac, though now it's both for Mac and PC, to allow more sales for PC users. Mac is more expensive, but I find it worth it. It makes the use of the computer more comfortable and friendly. Less dealing with the system and more concentrating on the work itself. | |
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BSOD said: mdiver said: Or people that want to use them in a business environment and want apps to work without fannying around I've supported your supposed business environments for software integrations and maintenance (180, 000 cliens). The apps don't just 'work' ... like, ever.
God forbid a company wants to upgrade Java, Oracle, Informix, Nice, Attachmate or the like. That argument is often levied by PC owners---and it's true, much more software for business is written for PCs in a corporate environment. Which is both tragic, and rather comedic considering the cost to maintain that software. Which of course is no real value to Zombiekitten. Zombie, get a mac. Like I said, I can't justify the expense, I need to spend AUS$1500 or under For my work I have a macpro with 2 x 22" screens. I got all the mac I want already
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Cuddles said: ZombieKitten said: (AND before anyone says it, I can't afford a mac
 )you can afford a mac I have this already: 
so no, I can't afford ANOTHER mac | |
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Cuddles said: BSOD said: I like Linux. It should be the new corporate OS standard. Microsoft has screwed the pooch and cost business so damned much money this last 10 years. As far as Zombiekittens usage or need for a new laptop, mac is the way to go. 
she will be VERY happy, even with the lowest end mac book of course I would  but we aren't looking at macs  | |
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BSOD said: Cuddles said:
she will be VERY happy, even with the lowest end mac book She's already a mac owner. Unless I'm mistaken she also once posted that they[her family] would never use the PC they own to connect to the Internet. I could be wrong if it wasn't her that stated it.  that's right actually - it's got all of the masters music stuff, he keeps that totally separate from the internet. However this new laptop is a different story, it will be pretty much only for internet use and dumping photos from cards whilst travelling, but not really to do any work on. | |
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squirrelgrease said: Buy a refurbed Mac from Apple. They're under full warranty, and from my experience, will be defect free out of the box.
Cost-wise, the so-called "Apple Tax" is actually a slight premium for better R&D, more reliable vendors, longer lasting hard drives, faster hardware/OS interactivity, & better plug and play connectivity. You'll literally save hundreds of dollars, hundreds of Mbs of space and hundreds of hours of precious time by not having to run Anti-Malware software. When a Mac trojan is found in the wild (which is quite rare), it is almost always immediately fixed via an update. In 22 years of running Macs, I have never had a single Malware issue. I've been using PCs for just as long, I'm not even going to go there. Installs are as easy as they could ever be. Uninstalls are as simple as dragging the app to the trash. Your FAT32 formatted external Hard Drives will plug into your new Mac and be available in seconds. Peripheral drivers are a non-issue. Plus, An Intel chip Mac is a Microsoft OS bootable machine. Your current PC software will install and work on the Mac using the Bootcamp interface provided with all new Macs. Mac obsolescence is generally less an issue than a Wintel machine of comparable speed. So, you may end up keeping the Mac longer, thus saving money. omg! I can't believe you posted on my thread!!!!! 
I might go have a look for a refurbished one just to see  | |
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BSOD said: CarrieMpls said: Perhaps, but I’ve not had those problems with a PC, I’ve only had them with the mac I had. And I find nothing “clumsy” about my OS for what I use my laptop for; everything works just fine. 
So the added expense for buying an apple (which is considerable) is absolutely not worth it. For me, anyway. I just saw that Zombie said she can't afford a mac. Scratch everything I wrote 
It's great you've never had problems with a PC--you're not the norm. I got a virus after just 2 weeks of casual use with my last PC. 2 fucking weeks. I almost had to swipe the OS. I know what PC owners always say to defend that, and I agree to some extent. But that still doesn't change that PCs are just a mess of trouble with little or no benefit to me.  |
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BSOD said: but who wants to date a guy in painters pants wearing crocs?
wait, gay men DON'T wear crocs? 
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Cuddles said: this was my first mac:
 this was mine 
It had 10mB or Ram and an 80mB hard drive | |
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BSOD said: CarrieMpls said: Actually when I went to the new hard drive I moved to OS X. I think. I know I had the disks for both of them. And when the second one went that was it for me. It was too expensive to replace. Again, the value simply isn't there. like horatio said, even low end macs are nice. The value is very much there for me. Again, mac owners today never complain about macs. The growing number of mac users even on this board love their macs, and for good reason. The only complaint I have about my MacBook is how FUCKING loud the CD unit is 
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Cuddles said: fact:
Artists use macs photographers musicians video editors web designers architects interior designers PC's are for people who calculate numbers and symbols  and graphic designers  | |
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ZombieKitten said: Cuddles said: you can afford a mac I have this already:
so no, I can't afford ANOTHER mac That fucking shit scares me  |
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728huey said: BSOD said:
It cost several hundred bucks for new version of Windows OSs.
And the cost of sending a laptop to a pc tech aren't cheap either. And PC owners always have to do that. Always. The only reason my PCs ran relatively smoothly and were low cost was that I knew how to support and build them. I can't imagine being in Carrie's position and owning the PCs I owned. It would be costly. You can indeed get cheap PCs. I don't know if I'd call that 'value' though
Most of the mac owners here who , from what I can tell , love their macs were driven away from PCS. I doubt many of them are lifetime mac users. I certainly am not. I mean, 400 bucks for the office suite, 200-300 for the OS, 100 a year for the anti-virus.... these things add up if unless you can torrent them. I'm not saying mac's arent' pricey. But the idea the value is not there is silly to a mac owner. It's the best computer purchase I've ever made. If you get a custom PC built from Dell or a mom-and-pop PC shop, you don't have to pay for anything except the Windows OS and labor (unless you ask for a Linux OS install , then you're only paying for parts and labor). Instead of shelling out tons of money for the Microsoft Office suite, just go to sourceforge.net and download Open Office. It does everything that Microsoft Office does (Word, Excel, Powerpoint, Access, etc.) but it is completely free! BTW, Sourceforge have tons of free anti-virus programs for Windows users, and it is a veritable warehouse for Linux developers. They also have free sound editing programs on there so if you want to create that nee techno mix on your computer, you can do so.
If you're a PC user who just wants a fairly reliable laptop which will run all of your Windows PC programs, get a Dell or Sony Vaio but try to dump all of the unnecessary programs from the system and reload them with Open Office and the free anti-virus stuff. If you are a techno geek and you want the reliability and security of a Mac but don't have the funds to buy one, buy a cheap PC laptop but make sure it doesn't have an OS installed and do a clean install of Ubuntu Linux or whatever Linux distribution you like. If you have the money to shell out, then definitely get a Mac.
that's the path I'm looking into right now | |
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Alej said: ZombieKitten said: I have this already:
so no, I can't afford ANOTHER mac That fucking shit scares me
 it's a magnificent creature | |
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ZombieKitten said: Cuddles said: this was my first mac:
this was mine
It had 10mB or Ram and an 80mB hard drive that thing above has a sony trinitron tv for its screen which was cutting edge then and it was supposed to tune in cable TV.
But i dont remember using it for anything other than typing up book reports and printing them out for high school. a fancy typewriterTo make a thief, make an owner; to create crime, create laws. | |
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ZombieKitten said: Alej said: That fucking shit scares me
it's a magnificent creatureThat's wHY it scares me
It's too amessing  |
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Cuddles said: that thing above has a sony trinitron tv for its screen which was cutting edge then
and it was supposed to tune in cable TV.
But i dont remember using it for anything other than typing up book reports and printing them out for high school. a fancy typewriteryes!! mine too, and the way you could tell it was a trinitron was a black line that ran through it  | |
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ZombieKitten said: squirrelgrease said: Buy a refurbed Mac from Apple. They're under full warranty, and from my experience, will be defect free out of the box.
Cost-wise, the so-called "Apple Tax" is actually a slight premium for better R&D, more reliable vendors, longer lasting hard drives, faster hardware/OS interactivity, & better plug and play connectivity. You'll literally save hundreds of dollars, hundreds of Mbs of space and hundreds of hours of precious time by not having to run Anti-Malware software. When a Mac trojan is found in the wild (which is quite rare), it is almost always immediately fixed via an update. In 22 years of running Macs, I have never had a single Malware issue. I've been using PCs for just as long, I'm not even going to go there. Installs are as easy as they could ever be. Uninstalls are as simple as dragging the app to the trash. Your FAT32 formatted external Hard Drives will plug into your new Mac and be available in seconds. Peripheral drivers are a non-issue. Plus, An Intel chip Mac is a Microsoft OS bootable machine. Your current PC software will install and work on the Mac using the Bootcamp interface provided with all new Macs. Mac obsolescence is generally less an issue than a Wintel machine of comparable speed. So, you may end up keeping the Mac longer, thus saving money. omg! I can't believe you posted on my thread!!!!!
I might go have a look for a refurbished one just to see http://store.apple.com/au...w#overview this fits all my criteria  | |
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ZombieKitten said: ZombieKitten said: omg! I can't believe you posted on my thread!!!!!
I might go have a look for a refurbished one just to see http://store.apple.com/au...w#overview this fits all my criteria That's what I have, only mine is black. The only problem I see is that there's no FireWire and no expansion slots. If you don't need them, I highly recommend it. it works really fast and flawless. | |
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ArielB said: ZombieKitten said: That's what I have, only mine is black. The only problem I see is that there's no FireWire and no expansion slots. If you don't need them, I highly recommend it. it works really fast and flawless. FireWire One FireWire 400 port (up to 400 Mbps)
Memory 1GB (two 512MB SO-DIMMs) of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM; two SO-DIMM slots support up to 4GB otherwise what expansions would I need?  | |
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ZombieKitten said: ZombieKitten said: omg! I can't believe you posted on my thread!!!!!
I might go have a look for a refurbished one just to see http://store.apple.com/au...w#overview this fits all my criteria You'll probably want more memory than 1Gb (cheap to purchase from third-party vendors, Apple is notoriously stingy on RAM) if you're going to run multiple Adobe CS apps. But, excellent choice if you go with it. If prince.org were to be made idiot proof, someone would just invent a better idiot. | |
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ZombieKitten said: ArielB said: That's what I have, only mine is black. The only problem I see is that there's no FireWire and no expansion slots. If you don't need them, I highly recommend it. it works really fast and flawless. FireWire One FireWire 400 port (up to 400 Mbps)
Memory 1GB (two 512MB SO-DIMMs) of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM; two SO-DIMM slots support up to 4GB otherwise what expansions would I need?
Oops. Yes. My mistake. there's one FireWire. 
Mine has 2 GB RAM and 160GB hard drive. Expansion slots are for all kinds of external hardware you might want. I used expansion slots in the past to add FireWire and USB 2.0 and Wi-Fi to an old laptop I had. | |
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squirrelgrease said: ZombieKitten said: You'll probably want more memory than 1Gb (cheap to purchase from third-party vendors, Apple is notoriously stingy on RAM) if you're going to run multiple Adobe CS apps. But, excellent choice if you go with it. I'm not using it for much other than internet and to dump photos from cards whilst on the move, I have a mac pro tower for CS work. the laptop is just for leisure | |
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ArielB said: ZombieKitten said: FireWire One FireWire 400 port (up to 400 Mbps)
Memory 1GB (two 512MB SO-DIMMs) of 667MHz DDR2 SDRAM; two SO-DIMM slots support up to 4GB otherwise what expansions would I need?
Oops. Yes. My mistake. there's one FireWire.
Mine has 2 GB RAM and 160GB hard drive. Expansion slots are for all kinds of external hardware you might want. I used expansion slots in the past to add FireWire and USB 2.0 and Wi-Fi to an old laptop I had. the dslr is ordinary usb I don't know what else I'd plug into it really | |
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