johnart said:

I dunno. Maybe because you're saying that a woman who scrapes small knives across her skin, or slathers them with corrosive chemicals is more attractive than a women who doesn't inflict damage to her skin? That the natural female state is not only inferior, but ugly, compared to an artificially enhanced state?

meow85 said:

Jesus. He didn't say that.

Vendetta1 said:

I'll admit this is an area where my actions don't match up with my philosophy on the matter. I shave everything almost daily, in spite of having in my head more reasons not to than to. But I just haven't gotten to the point where I'd feel confident enough to let it all grow out, and my body hair is mostly blonde. I don't know if I'm at a place yet where I could accept the nasty looks and harsh comments I know I'd be getting from people.

On the other hand, I suppose I could just move out to The Drive and live with the hippies, and even if anyone did notice, no one would care.


Though once, for about a month in the winter a few years back, I didn't shave at all. It's strange saying it, but it felt so liberating in a way. And showers took less than 2 minutes.

meow85 said:

I would shave if a guy asked me to and that's it. Everybody else, I don't give a fuck what they think.

Mysterioso said:

You could perm it and dye the tips purple

Genesia said:

He didn't need to say it in as many words, but it was there loud and clear, and he's not the only one saying it, either.

Care to count how many times the word ugly is used in this thread? How about messy, unladylike, etc.? How many times is the emote used? Take a tally and get back to me on who's not saying what.

Vendetta1 said:

It's not what people think that bothers me per se, it's when they choose to make it known to me that my confidence takes a hit. Like I said, I'm just not able to completely let go of other peoples' opinions yet, no matter how stupid I know it is.

I'm a work in progress.

meow85 said:

Listen. I don't care how many times the word ugly has been used - John never used it. And to try to pin it on him is despicable.

He expressed a personal preference (as has everyone else in this thread) with regards to grooming. He hasn't disparaged anyone for their choices.

You need to back up.

my god, the negativity round here

Genesia said:

You sure you don't want to go back up and read some of his posts? He compared her to a Yeti in drag and made a reference to PETA. Not exactly complimentary language.

meow85 said:

That I can understand because being call ugly for 30 years definitely hit my confidence but on this one thing, I reufse to be bothered because people have a problem with nature.

meow85 said:

He didn't call her (or anyone else) ugly, is my point.

And the Yeti in drag comment was made specifically to get up your nose. Mission accomplished, I'd say.

its getting a bit hairy in here

sammij said:

Let me say it: God loves Monique... fur and all!

Some women can pull that shit off! Just as long as you don't turn into Chewbacca/Ron Jeremy with it. I mean, that's just in my view. Like I said, I know a few mofos that would love to rub up on brillo pads for flesh. I myself wouldn't mind hair in a few places, as long as it's only a little bit. I don't want to feel like I'm sleepin' with Scott Hall. YIKES!

Vendetta1 said:

To me the line is between expressincing a preference for softy-smooth legs, and actually being disgusted by what comes naturally.

Genesia said:

The Org is just full of class acts today.

this one woman i worked with had a giant patch of thick corse hair just on the inside of each shin.


and she had the nerve enough to sit and talk about what people wore an if they stank, that was her MO

its still quite hairy in here

dont get your tingles in a tangle

sammij said:

"When Harry Met Sally, he wanted to taste her Hidden Valley."

Mysterioso said:

...

I said "gross" and "yuck" and I'll stand by those. In case it's not clear, I'm specifically and only referring to her legs. I'm not saying anything about anything else on, in, around, or near her face or body. Or about her personality, which I'm sure is wonderful.

Efan said:

Love the damage control

sammij said:

Mysterioso said:

I'm sorry, I'm not really well versed in popular culture (i know, right?)
I can recognize the reference, but I just don't know where you're goin'...




that was an I'm to you're edit there.
[Edited 2/24/09 17:44pm]

sammij said:

I'm going AWOL!

Mysterioso said:

Ohhh...

I like you. You kind of talk like a piece of art I just don't get yet.