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PrintableVendetta1 said: meow85 said: My sense of self-preservation overrides my sense of romanticism. Sorry. 
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violator said: johnart said: It frustrates me that protection could be so simple, but ignored for convenience and so-called trust.
Why "so-called" trust? Plenty of couples are engaged in monogamous relationships. The fact that someone is not using condoms in their relationship is a conscious choice. As much as yours is to use them. Trust is a vital, I'd even say the most vital component in a relationship. If you don't feel secure in that aspect of yours then I'd say that wearing condoms is an appropriate decision, but lets not act like every couple who chooses not to strap up is doing so out of laziness and misguidance. Yours is a pretty cynical viewpoint, I'd say. Yes, it is very cynical. I lost my mother to the disease. She was a dedicated "trusting wife". I lost 2 of my very best friends. I live with the virus. I know things don't always go as "planned" no matter how strong that trust/bond starts out or how long it lasts. So you see, my choice to wear condoms has nothing to do with not being secure in my relationship, my partner (negative, btw) or myself. There is much MUCH trust in mine. I wouldn't change a thing in my life. I am healthy and happy. In love and in a long-time committed relationship. But I wish people would not leave so much to chance. That's my thing. That's on me. I see people blinded by trust and love and it frustrates me. It indeed IS your conscious choice and you may call chance "trust" or "love" but it's still, at some level...chance. When I say "so-called", I'm not implying it's false trust. I'm just saying that "trust", in this instance is chance. [Edited 2/11/09 18:39pm] | |
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meow85 said: violator said: Or cynicism. My sense of self-preservation overrides my sense of romanticism. Sorry.
No dick is worth dying over. No need to be sorry. 
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johnart said: violator said: Why "so-called" trust? Plenty of couples are engaged in monogamous relationships. The fact that someone is not using condoms in their relationship is a conscious choice. As much as yours is to use them. Trust is a vital, I'd even say the most vital component in a relationship. If you don't feel secure in that aspect of yours then I'd say that wearing condoms is an appropriate decision, but lets not act like every couple who chooses not to strap up is doing so out of laziness and misguidance. Yours is a pretty cynical viewpoint, I'd say. Yes, it is very cynical. I lost my mother to the disease. She was a dedicated "trusting wife". I lost 2 of my very best friends. I live with the virus. I know things don't always go as "planned" no matter how strong that trust/bond starts out or how long it lasts. So you see, my choice to wear condoms has nothing to do with not being secure in my relationship, my partner (negative, btw) or myself. There is much MUCH trust in mine. I wouldn't change a thing in my life. I am healthy and happy. In love and in a long-time committed relationship. But I wish people would not leave so much to chance. That's my thing. That's on me. I see people blinded by trust and love and it frustrates me. It indeed IS your conscious choice and you may call chance "trust" or "love" but it's still, at some level...chance. When I say "so-called", I'm not implying it's false trust. I'm just saying that "trust", in this instance is chance. [Edited 2/11/09 18:39pm] I'm sorry to hear that. I genuinely am. And its obvious that your feelings about this subject have been painfully reinforced. And I certainly didn't mean to infer anything about your relationship. My stance is that trust is very real in plenty of committed relationships and that in being with someone in that capacity will always involve risk. It's like I said earlier, who's to say that the person you're with isn't a psychopath who'd cut your throat as you sleep? But it goes without saying that you wouldn't spend your nights sleeping with an open eye. That's trust. On whatever level, it's still trust. | |
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JerseyKRS said: Mr. Alomar was notorious for his promiscuity with women while he was playing. He wasn't raped, he just fucked women everywhere.
So, not only was he a cheater, he's also now a liar. I have zero compassion for him. How do YOU know he wasn't raped? I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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SCNDLS said: johnart said: That's just the ones that outright say it in their ads. Many of them even bluntly looking for unprotected fun. But in any case, their spouses have no clue. I'm not trying to say no one should have unprotected sex ever. I'm HAEDLY the Moral Police  That's a totally personal choice.
All I'm trying to get across (yes I know I can be wordy) is that one should make that choice accepting responsibility of the risks. Not to act like it was totally someone else's fault should you catch something. I agree that we're all responsible for our own health, BUT if my husband, whom I've committed to being with for the rest of my life and supposedly know and trust, KNOWINGLY exposes or infects me with ANY disease I'ma put MOST of the blame on his triflin' ass . . . and then I'ma fuck his ass up.  But aren't you willingly having unprotected sex? But it's all HIS fault. I don't want you to think like me. I just want you to think. |
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violator said: johnart said: Yes, it is very cynical. I lost my mother to the disease. She was a dedicated "trusting wife". I lost 2 of my very best friends. I live with the virus. I know things don't always go as "planned" no matter how strong that trust/bond starts out or how long it lasts. So you see, my choice to wear condoms has nothing to do with not being secure in my relationship, my partner (negative, btw) or myself. There is much MUCH trust in mine. I wouldn't change a thing in my life. I am healthy and happy. In love and in a long-time committed relationship. But I wish people would not leave so much to chance. That's my thing. That's on me. I see people blinded by trust and love and it frustrates me. It indeed IS your conscious choice and you may call chance "trust" or "love" but it's still, at some level...chance. When I say "so-called", I'm not implying it's false trust. I'm just saying that "trust", in this instance is chance. [Edited 2/11/09 18:39pm] I'm sorry to hear that. I genuinely am. And its obvious that your feelings about this subject have been painfully reinforced. And I certainly didn't mean to infer anything about your relationship. My stance is that trust is very real in plenty of committed relationships and that in being with someone in that capacity will always involve risk. It's like I said earlier, who's to say that the person you're with isn't a psychopath who'd cut your throat as you sleep? But it goes without saying that you wouldn't spend your nights sleeping with an open eye. That's trust. On whatever level, it's still trust. Thanks. Oddly enough, I really don't think of my situation as anything out of the ordinary. It sucks a little more sometimes, but mostly by ways of worrying over things like meds or stupid stigmas. I've watched many folk go from things like Cancer or even unforeseen events just the same. I only mentioned it because I want folk on this thread to understand why I feel so strongly about what I'm saying. And that I'm not just trynna be argumentative, or a dick or shit on the concept of love and trust. If it weren't for the love and trust I share with my partner I might not be here today. I do see the points you are making as well. My only rebuttal to what you said on comparing the risk to one's partner going nuts and killing them in their sleep is that, one's partner need not go nuts (or even out of love) in order to have an indiscretion that might come back to bite both parties in the ass. Overall, I'm just passionate on the subject. Not trying to ruffle anyone's feathers. I do have a tendency to "go on". | |
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This thread is fucking BIZARRE 
& I'll be damned if I fuck my HUSBAND w/ a condom. Hell, if I ever do get married it'll be the first unprotected sex I've EVER HAD - gimme a break w/ this condom/husband shit! No offense to anyone here who chooses to do that, but don't act like people are ridiculous to EXPECT some level of commitment from a SPOUSE   I never met you, but I LOVE you & I will forever!! Thank you for being YOU - my little Princey, the best to EVER do it | |
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CalhounSq said: This thread is fucking BIZARRE
& I'll be damned if I fuck my HUSBAND w/ a condom. Hell, if I ever do get married it'll be the first unprotected sex I've EVER HAD - gimme a break w/ this condom/husband shit! No offense to anyone here who chooses to do that, but don't act like people are ridiculous to EXPECT some level of commitment from a SPOUSE No one's saying it's ridiculous, just that it's really naive to think all spouses will be faithful, and that only the nasty ones are cheaters. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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I feel awful for her.  What a scumbucket lying sack of gumshoe whore mongering piece of shit. In this day and age you would think, especially someone of his stature, would protect themselves at all cost. Especially if they have kids. Of course it only takes one time but dayum, is it that hard for dudes to slip on a rubber? Who the hell was he fucking? Midnight crack trannies?
And if he was a constant cheater then getting tested regularly should have been on the menu along with a healthy dose of "kick his ass to the curb." Aids or no aids, he broke his vows and endangered her life. You do what you want with your life but when you start fucking around with someone elses you have crossed the line and you deserve whatever they choose to do or sue. I hope she gets every dime and let that be a lesson to the other fucktards doing the same thing. Shit fuck the money, give me aids on purpose and don't see if I get mideval on your azz!  | |
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and i don't know if i believe that raped by two mexicans story especially when he can't remember the location. unless this was some kinda drug deal gone bad, cuz they do that kind of maniac shit, i doubt it happened. also, he coulda used a condom and it could have broke but given the behavior of many atheletes my guess is he was fucking anything that moved , not using protection and probably used intravenous drugs like steroids and further exposed himself to the disease. | |
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DesireeNevermind said: I feel awful for her.
What a scumbucket lying sack of gumshoe whore mongering piece of shit. In this day and age you would think, especially someone of his stature, would protect themselves at all cost. Especially if they have kids. Of course it only takes one time but dayum, is it that hard for dudes to slip on a rubber? Who the hell was he fucking? Midnight crack trannies?
And if he was a constant cheater then getting tested regularly should have been on the menu along with a healthy dose of "kick his ass to the curb." Aids or no aids, he broke his vows and endangered her life. You do what you want with your life but when you start fucking around with someone elses you have crossed the line and you deserve whatever they choose to do or sue. I hope she gets every dime and let that be a lesson to the other fucktards doing the same thing. Shit fuck the money, give me aids on purpose and don't see if I get mideval on your azz! You tell em!  Some of these dudes need a good ass kicking.This ain't the 70s anymore.Unprotected casual sex is a no-no.People gotta be smart and protect themselves.
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You know, as for this particular case, it seems she had enough wanring signs and such that she was in flat out denial if she was having unprotected sex with him. Especially if she asked him repeatedly to be tested and he refused. That's a red flag waving in front of your face a million times over.
But in general, while I think the only way to protect yourself is to wear a condom every single time you have sex, married or not, I DO think you have a right to expect your spouse to be faithful. In the sense that, if they DO cheat and DO bring something back to you, it's their fault. Not yours(!!) for not wearing a condom. It's like walking down a dark alley at night alone. You should be able to have a reasonable expectation to walk down the street at night and be safe. But we all know common sense says you probably shouldn't be walking down that alley. But if you DO get mugged, it's not your fault. It's still the asshole that mugged you's fault. |
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DesireeNevermind said: I feel awful for her.
What a scumbucket lying sack of gumshoe whore mongering piece of shit. In this day and age you would think, especially someone of his stature, would protect themselves at all cost. Especially if they have kids. Of course it only takes one time but dayum, is it that hard for dudes to slip on a rubber? Who the hell was he fucking? Midnight crack trannies?  I hear ya, BUT...
Remember, if he was screwing around to the degree that some suggest, it very well likely began years before he was with this woman and her children. Nonetheless, yes, unprotected sex is stupid... and it certainly is no less precarious with an ostensibly healthy, heterosexual blond suburban co-ed or professional than, say, a "midnight crack tranny." The assumption otherwise is, in fact, what probably makes folk like professional athletes and celebs think they can safely screw 1000 such groupies -- in one night -- unprotected.
And if he was a constant cheater then getting tested regularly should have been on the menu along with a healthy dose of "kick his ass to the curb."
Aids or no aids, he broke his vows and endangered her life. You do what you want with your life but when you start fucking around with someone elses you have crossed the line and you deserve whatever they choose to do or sue. I hope she gets every dime and let that be a lesson to the other fucktards doing the same thing.
I don't think they were ever married. But, yeah, I'd say he had some expectation to be upfront about his health. Unfortunately (and this is one very prevalent factor in HIV transmission), many HIV+ folk honestly don't know they have the virus... and either may actually be afraid to get tested out of fear of having their poz status confirmed or they deny their risk because they imagine they've been with relatively "safe" people (i.e., not fags, druggies... or "midnight crack trannies.") That sort of problematic thinking probably puts TONS of people in the grave. The solution? He shouldn't have been screwing around, of course -- ever! And when he did, he should have worn condoms. But only Alomar could've controlled that, eh? Which brings us to Dall: While she may or may not share significant ethical culpability in exposing herself, there was inarguably a practical culpability. Barring rape (which hasn't been alleged), she simply would not have arrived in this situation unless she willingly engaged in unprotected sex with Alomar -- and athletes are sketchy sexual partners... especially ones with persistent coughs, chronic fatigue, shingles, thrombocytopenia purpura, thrush, a vague recollection of rape at the hands of two Mexican guys and a refusal to be transparently tested for HIV.  [Edited 2/12/09 7:47am] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Here is Roberto Alomar's new girlfriend Maripily Rivera:
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DesireeNevermind said: I feel awful for her.
What a scumbucket lying sack of gumshoe whore mongering piece of shit. In this day and age you would think, especially someone of his stature, would protect themselves at all cost. Especially if they have kids. Of course it only takes one time but dayum, is it that hard for dudes to slip on a rubber? Who the hell was he fucking? Midnight crack trannies?
And if he was a constant cheater then getting tested regularly should have been on the menu along with a healthy dose of "kick his ass to the curb." Aids or no aids, he broke his vows and endangered her life. You do what you want with your life but when you start fucking around with someone elses you have crossed the line and you deserve whatever they choose to do or sue. I hope she gets every dime and let that be a lesson to the other fucktards doing the same thing. Shit fuck the money, give me aids on purpose and don't see if I get mideval on your azz! the ignorance and the stigma attached to HIV/AIDS is just as bad as it has ever been just more benenath the surface. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Sowhat said: Here is Roberto Alomar's new girlfriend Maripily Rivera:
Proof that $$$lust blinds people. Maybe some silicone wandered into her brain? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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Sowhat said: Here is Roberto Alomar's new girlfriend Maripily Rivera:
she looks like a transvestite.  | |
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JerseyKRS said: Sowhat said: Here is Roberto Alomar's new girlfriend Maripily Rivera:
she looks like a transvestite. transexual. transvestites are mostly straight men who wear women's clothing as a sexual fetish You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: JerseyKRS said: she looks like a transvestite. transexual. transvestites are mostly straight men who wear women's clothing as a sexual fetish  | |
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I wonder how his new girlfriend feels about these allegations  | |
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SoulAlive said: I wonder how his new girlfriend feels about these allegations
From the NY Daily News: New girlfriend says Roberto Alomar's ex-girlfriend's AIDS claims a 'lie'
By Erica Pearson In Salinas, Puerto Rico and John Marzulli and Tracy Connor In New York DAILY NEWS STAFF WRITERS Updated Wednesday, February 11th 2009, 10:05 PM Roberto Alomar's new squeeze Wednesday denounced a claim by his ex-lover that the baseball great insisted on having unprotected sex while he was HIV-positive. "A vile lie," voluptuous model Maripily Rivera told a Puerto Rico TV station, the newspaper Primera Hora reported. "It's not true. It's a very delicate case." Rivera, who has been dating Alomar for six months, lashed out at Ilya Dall, the Queens woman who has filed a $15 million suit against the former Met. She claimed that when Dall broke up with Alomar in October, she told him: "I will destroy you." Dall, 31, has accused Alomar, 41, of exposing her to the AIDS virus during their six-year romance. In court papers, she charges that he repeatedly told her he was HIV-negative until 2006, when he tested positive after becoming ill. Dall claims the 12-time All-Star was soon diagnosed with full-blown AIDS - and she fears she could have gotten the virus. Alomar, who retired from baseball in 2005, has not commented. His lawyer said he wants to keep his "health status" private. His new girlfriend said she's standing by him. "When you're on the side of truth, you have nothing to hide," the dark-haired bombshell said. "I support him and I love him more than ever." She said Alomar, who played for the Mets in 2002 and 2003, betrayed no sign of illness. "He has never gotten sick on me. We train together. And he has those beautiful, well-defined arms," she said. "They want to destroy him, but they won't be able to." Alomar's father, Mets coach Sandy Alomar Sr., said he hasn't talked to his son since the story broke. "We just don't know the whole story," the elder Alomar said outside his home in Salinas, Puerto Rico. "We know our kids, but sometimes we just don't know what they do. "I haven't seen him sick. As a matter of fact, he's doing exercise daily." As for Dall, Alomar Sr. said: "Whether she can be trusted, only he can say that. She has a reason, and only she knows what that reason is." Dall declined to comment at her home in Whitestone, Queens - a $5 million mansion bought by a trust set up by Alomar. The grandiose three-story yellow stucco house has a pool, a marble portico and 12-foot windows. Neighbors said Dall - a competitive arm wrestler and spa owner who got divorced in 2007 - lives there with her two kids. In legal papers, she said she tested negative for HIV in 2006, when she says that Alomar was suffering from a mass in his chest, a blood disorder, purple skin and a foaming mouth. The suit does not say what treatment Alomar sought, but medical experts say retroviral drugs can work miracles with even advanced cases of AIDS. "Within months, you can drop the levels of virus in bloodstream to undetectable levels," said Dr. Antonio Urbina, medical director of the HIV/AIDS Education and Training Center at the city's St. Vincent Catholic Medical Centers. Urbina said patients who wait until they are sick to get on the drugs don't live as long as those who get tested and treated early. http://www.nydailynews.co..._exgi.html | |
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So, she's been with him for 6 months? He surely doesn't look as ill as the ex is claiming, in these pics. Maybe he was having a good day 
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Wow, his new girlfriend sounds like a freakin' idiot. | |
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MsMisha319 said: So, she's been with him for 6 months?
He surely doesn't look as ill as the ex is claiming, in these pics. Maybe he was having a good day
Smooches;) A healthy appearance don't have nothing to with being HIV+. Matter fact in the early days of the disease folks was hitting the gym extra hard to "prove" they weren't positive. And the new girlfriend is just as dumb as the one if she has not gone with him to be tested and seen the results with her own eyes. The new girlfriend seems like a front.  [Edited 2/12/09 19:15pm] | |
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SCNDLS said: MsMisha319 said: So, she's been with him for 6 months?
He surely doesn't look as ill as the ex is claiming, in these pics. Maybe he was having a good day
Smooches;) A healthy appearance don't have nothing to with being HIV+. Matter fact in the early days of the disease folks was hitting the gym extra hard to "prove" they weren't positive. And the new girlfriend is just as dumb as the one if she has not gone with him to be tested and seen the results with her own eyes. The new girlfriend seems like a front.
[Edited 2/12/09 19:15pm] It doesn't sound like the new girlfriend is disputing Alomar's HIV+ status. Her position (at least as articulated in the above article) seems simply that he's not as sick as the lawsuit might imply and that he hadn't insisted on unprotected sex with Dall. If, in fact, Alomar isn't HIV+, the case wouldn't be at all "very delicate," as Rivera characterizes; it'd be easy as pie to take on, and Rivera must know that.[Edited 2/12/09 20:02pm] Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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Lammastide said: SCNDLS said: A healthy appearance don't have nothing to with being HIV+. Matter fact in the early days of the disease folks was hitting the gym extra hard to "prove" they weren't positive. And the new girlfriend is just as dumb as the one if she has not gone with him to be tested and seen the results with her own eyes. The new girlfriend seems like a front.
[Edited 2/12/09 19:15pm] It doesn't sound like the new girlfriend is disputing Alomar's HIV+ status. Her position (at least as articulated in the above article) seems simply that he's not as sick as the lawsuit might imply and that he hadn't insisted on unprotected sex with Dall.
[Edited 2/12/09 19:55pm] Comments like: "He has never gotten sick on me. We train together. And he has those beautiful, well-defined arms," she said. "They want to destroy him, but they won't be able to." Shows that this chick's brains are obviously in her boobs. [Edited 2/12/09 19:57pm] | |
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SCNDLS said: Lammastide said: It doesn't sound like the new girlfriend is disputing Alomar's HIV+ status. Her position (at least as articulated in the above article) seems simply that he's not as sick as the lawsuit might imply and that he hadn't insisted on unprotected sex with Dall.
[Edited 2/12/09 19:55pm] Comments like: "He has never gotten sick on me. We train together. And he has those beautiful, well-defined arms," she said. "They want to destroy him, but they won't be able to." Shows that this chick's brains are obviously in her boobs.
[Edited 2/12/09 19:57pm] Well, I definitely agree with THAT. Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
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JerseyKRS said: SCNDLS said: I wonder how many women he's infected? Regardless of her wacky motives, if what she says is true, it's obvious he wasn't forthcoming about his status. If he didn't tell her, his longtime girlfriend, you know he wasn't telling his jump offs. I tell you what though, if he and I were in a committed relationship and he knowingly exposed me to AIDS I'd seriously fuck his ass up.  That heffa needs to say a prayer, light a candle, and kill a rooster to give thanks that she didn't come up positive. 
[Edited 2/11/09 8:51am] listen, if some girl that was positive, and knowingly infected me, it'd be pretty tough to convince me not to shoot her. That's the god honest truth. Y'all need some got-damned anger management classes or somthin'..... He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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SCNDLS said: Lammastide said: It doesn't sound like the new girlfriend is disputing Alomar's HIV+ status. Her position (at least as articulated in the above article) seems simply that he's not as sick as the lawsuit might imply and that he hadn't insisted on unprotected sex with Dall.
Comments like: "He has never gotten sick on me. We train together. And he has those beautiful, well-defined arms," she said. "They want to destroy him, but they won't be able to." Shows that this chick's brains are obviously in her boobs.
Yeah,his new lady sounds really,really dumb....and totally clueless. "He has never gotten sick on me" | |
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