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rnljs

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My step son is 24 years old. Pretty much the entire family is thinking he is gay or bi. That's fine. It is an open and supportive family. But my step son has not come out and has never discussed it with anyone. He sneaks around in secret. No one can talk with him about what is going in his life. He has other issues we are concerned about-alcohol/prescription drugs/lack of motivation to work/weight/serious asthma.
My question is, should we ask? Bring it up ourselves?
I am really concerned, but don't want to overstep boundries. He is grown, but depending on a lot of family right now.I don't even know that him being open with anyone would help anything.
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Reply #1 posted 02/10/09 11:04am

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He'll tell you when he's ready to tell you.
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Reply #2 posted 02/10/09 11:07am

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Tell his father and let him handle it nod
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Genesia said:

He'll tell you when he's ready to tell you.

I more or less agree with this. Just remember one thing, that this is a hard line to cross. I was born gay and still couldn't bring myself to tell anyone even though my birthday suit was a pink tutu with fairy wings, and a wand full of pixie dust lol

Just let him know you support him and love him whatever's going on in his life and if he ever wants to talk about any issues he's having there is an open door. that let's him know he has the option to tell you and you didn't ask.
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Reply #4 posted 02/10/09 11:07am

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The sexuality is something that he will reveal when he is ready. Just make sure that he knows that you love him and that you always be there for him but the lack of motivation to work and substance abuse is unacceptable. Do whatever you can to work with him to get job skills/education/employment and to get sobered up ASAP whether he is motivated right now or not.
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Reply #5 posted 02/10/09 11:08am

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Harlepolis said:

Tell his father and let him handle it nod

Unless the father is going to be a real prick about it exclaim
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Reply #6 posted 02/10/09 11:12am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Harlepolis said:

Tell his father and let him handle it nod

Unless the father is going to be a real prick about it exclaim


I meant the substance abuse thing nod the sexuality will be revealed in time.

But the drugs/booze thing gotta be dealt with,,,and if it requires some TOUGH love(which in most cases, they do) then go ahead and be the bad guy.

I'd rather be the bad guy than end up outliving my child sad that will - literaly - kill me.
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Reply #7 posted 02/10/09 11:14am

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It has been my experience with gay men who have just or are about to come out that they often go through a rather reckless stage - drinking, drugging, etc. It's part of the process and is usually temporary.
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Reply #8 posted 02/10/09 11:14am

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Harlepolis said:

Tell his father and let him handle it nod

His father (my husband) is not the best communicator. He just avoids difficult situations. He and I have talked about this for the 8 years we have been together. It's sad to think the step son has to keep everything so secretive. I wonder if any of the alcohol/drug issues play into that.
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Reply #9 posted 02/10/09 11:18am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Genesia said:

He'll tell you when he's ready to tell you.

I more or less agree with this. Just remember one thing, that this is a hard line to cross. I was born gay and still couldn't bring myself to tell anyone even though my birthday suit was a pink tutu with fairy wings, and a wand full of pixie dust lol

Just let him know you support him and love him whatever's going on in his life and if he ever wants to talk about any issues he's having there is an open door. that let's him know he has the option to tell you and you didn't ask.

I can't imagine how hard it is. We have tried to have public discussions around him about our support for gay marriage rights and our anger at the prejudice.
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Reply #10 posted 02/10/09 11:19am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Harlepolis said:

Tell his father and let him handle it nod

Unless the father is going to be a real prick about it exclaim




no pun intended there Supa?
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Reply #11 posted 02/10/09 11:22am

rnljs

Harlepolis said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


Unless the father is going to be a real prick about it exclaim


I meant the substance abuse thing nod the sexuality will be revealed in time.

But the drugs/booze thing gotta be dealt with,,,and if it requires some TOUGH love(which in most cases, they do) then go ahead and be the bad guy.

I'd rather be the bad guy than end up outliving my child sad that will - literaly - kill me.
[Edited 2/10/09 11:13am]

There is one more complicated situation in this. He was raised by, and stills lives with his maternal grandmother. She is a complete enabler. We (myself, my husband, his mother) all agree that we need to do a little tough love. But he is getting money, a car to drive, a place to live, and a cell phone from his grandma. She is doing more harm than good. I think that is why I considered whether or not to try and get him to open up to us.
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Reply #12 posted 02/10/09 11:22am

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Genesia said:

It has been my experience with gay men who have just or are about to come out that they often go through a rather reckless stage - drinking, drugging, etc. It's part of the process and is usually temporary.
[Edited 2/10/09 11:16am]

Yes. I think all of us will tell you we had our party days. Just like straight sons though. Since there is the whole secrecy and double life, some gay men and women can overdo things because they are running. I think the best thing to do is have a straightforward conversation about partying. If it's a hangover once in a while, not such a big deal but if he's doing hardcore drugs all the time and loaded constantly it should be dealt with.

In my personal experience, the height of my alcohol abuse came when I was still in my abusive relationship. Once I left that relationship and moved back into my apartment by myself, I had the realization that I didn't need to drink so much because the drinking was a means of escape. I was free and therefore didn't need it as much.

Conveying an open door to him is at least a step in easing his mind and once he can come to terms with it and can be honest about it then the abuse of substances might just reconcile itself naturally.

Good luck honey hug
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Reply #13 posted 02/10/09 11:22am

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rnljs said:

Harlepolis said:

Tell his father and let him handle it nod

His father (my husband) is not the best communicator. He just avoids difficult situations. He and I have talked about this for the 8 years we have been together. It's sad to think the step son has to keep everything so secretive. I wonder if any of the alcohol/drug issues play into that.

Does your husband have shame issues about possibly having a gay son?
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Reply #14 posted 02/10/09 11:24am

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Genesia said:

It has been my experience with gay men who have just or are about to come out that they often go through a rather reckless stage - drinking, drugging, etc. It's part of the process and is usually temporary.
[Edited 2/10/09 11:16am]

I certainly hope it's temporary, and there are no lasting effects from it. I find parenting adult children much harder than little kids. I always thought that you just let them go to do their own thing. That what my mom did with me. I forgot though that she was a crappy parent.
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Reply #15 posted 02/10/09 11:24am

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rnljs said:

Harlepolis said:

Tell his father and let him handle it nod

His father (my husband) is not the best communicator. He just avoids difficult situations. He and I have talked about this for the 8 years we have been together. It's sad to think the step son has to keep everything so secretive. I wonder if any of the alcohol/drug issues play into that.


That is a messy situation sigh

But like I said, if he's harming himself and nobody says a damn,,,,maybe you have to overstep your boundries. Its for HIS SAKE, right?

Me & my sister-in-law haven't been in good terms untill recently. I did something reckless when I saw that nobody wanted to "butt in",,,,,it was either she ends up dead or live to hate me,,,I choose the latter because I already know that she'll come to her sense and realize that what I did was for her own good.

Your experience and mine are different, but the AIM is the same as far as I'm concern nod its a tough burden when you're the ONLY one who notices something wrong in a certain situation while everybody else stay in denial.

I sincerely hope you work it out.
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Reply #16 posted 02/10/09 11:26am

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Here's a "checklist"
1. It's NOBODY'S fault.
2. He's still the same person
3. He doesn't automatically have AIDS
4. When he does tell you, don't bullshit and say you couldn't tell.
5. Just love him unconditionally.
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Reply #17 posted 02/10/09 11:26am

rnljs

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Genesia said:

It has been my experience with gay men who have just or are about to come out that they often go through a rather reckless stage - drinking, drugging, etc. It's part of the process and is usually temporary.
[Edited 2/10/09 11:16am]

Yes. I think all of us will tell you we had our party days. Just like straight sons though. Since there is the whole secrecy and double life, some gay men and women can overdo things because they are running. I think the best thing to do is have a straightforward conversation about partying. If it's a hangover once in a while, not such a big deal but if he's doing hardcore drugs all the time and loaded constantly it should be dealt with.

In my personal experience, the height of my alcohol abuse came when I was still in my abusive relationship. Once I left that relationship and moved back into my apartment by myself, I had the realization that I didn't need to drink so much because the drinking was a means of escape. I was free and therefore didn't need it as much.

Conveying an open door to him is at least a step in easing his mind and once he can come to terms with it and can be honest about it then the abuse of substances might just reconcile itself naturally.

Good luck honey hug

I so appreciate all the support. All I think about is in the end will I have any regrets for what I did or didn't do.
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Reply #18 posted 02/10/09 11:26am

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...and how do people come out as "bi"? whofarted
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Reply #19 posted 02/10/09 11:27am

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Is this about making you more comfortable with the situation or him?

I think you should just ask him. I see nothing wrong with asking your son about it. He'll either answer honestly or not and you'll have to just deal with what he decides to tells you.
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Reply #20 posted 02/10/09 11:28am

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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

rnljs said:


His father (my husband) is not the best communicator. He just avoids difficult situations. He and I have talked about this for the 8 years we have been together. It's sad to think the step son has to keep everything so secretive. I wonder if any of the alcohol/drug issues play into that.

Does your husband have shame issues about possibly having a gay son?

No. He is very open minded. He just doesn't like situations that he might have to deal with other people's emotions.That's my job.
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Reply #21 posted 02/10/09 11:34am

rnljs

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...and how do people come out as "bi"? whofarted

I don't know.
I am 100% sure about relationships with men, but he has also had some shallow public hook ups with women. So, I really don't know.

I don't have any close friendships with anyone gay or lesbian. I really don't have any idea about how he feels or what to do. I know there are several ogers thah could help.
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Reply #22 posted 02/10/09 11:35am

rnljs

JustErin said:

Is this about making you more comfortable with the situation or him?

I think you should just ask him. I see nothing wrong with asking your son about it. He'll either answer honestly or not and you'll have to just deal with what he decides to tells you.


True. I just wasn't sure if the secrecy with his love life plays into the other serious issues.
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Reply #23 posted 02/10/09 11:39am

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rnljs said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


I more or less agree with this. Just remember one thing, that this is a hard line to cross. I was born gay and still couldn't bring myself to tell anyone even though my birthday suit was a pink tutu with fairy wings, and a wand full of pixie dust lol

Just let him know you support him and love him whatever's going on in his life and if he ever wants to talk about any issues he's having there is an open door. that let's him know he has the option to tell you and you didn't ask.

I can't imagine how hard it is. We have tried to have public discussions around him about our support for gay marriage rights and our anger at the prejudice.

Well I am 38 (39 next month) and I am barely set to tell my grandmother face to face. I have been out for 21 years lol I only confirmed it to my dad this year. Because of culture issues, my dad is Mexican, I have had to consider the macho shit and that is why it took me so long. But my dad did drop hints along the way that confirmed that he knew I was gay so it made it easier for me to do.

Depending on how hardcore the drug/alcohol use is I think that is the issue that you deal with first. Just keep the doors open because whether you know it or not if you have dropped hints in front of him, he's noticed them. In his own time he'll tell you. Try not to force it because you don't want him feeling caged.
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Reply #24 posted 02/10/09 11:54am

rnljs

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

rnljs said:


I can't imagine how hard it is. We have tried to have public discussions around him about our support for gay marriage rights and our anger at the prejudice.

Well I am 38 (39 next month) and I am barely set to tell my grandmother face to face. I have been out for 21 years lol I only confirmed it to my dad this year. Because of culture issues, my dad is Mexican, I have had to consider the macho shit and that is why it took me so long. But my dad did drop hints along the way that confirmed that he knew I was gay so it made it easier for me to do.

Depending on how hardcore the drug/alcohol use is I think that is the issue that you deal with first. Just keep the doors open because whether you know it or not if you have dropped hints in front of him, he's noticed them. In his own time he'll tell you. Try not to force it because you don't want him feeling caged.

Does not being able to be completely open about it to everyone hurt you? I would think the frustration would come out in other ways. I have never had to hide anything so significant.
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Reply #25 posted 02/10/09 11:57am

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rnljs said:

ScarletScandal said:

...and how do people come out as "bi"? whofarted

I don't know.
I am 100% sure about relationships with men, but he has also had some shallow public hook ups with women. So, I really don't know.

I don't have any close friendships with anyone gay or lesbian. I really don't have any idea about how he feels or what to do. I know there are several ogers thah could help.

His hook ups with women could be him trying to see if he really is gay. A LOT of men coming to terms with their sexuality do that, to convince themselves they aren't gay or to see if they really are. I for one have NEVER touched a va....thing.
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Reply #26 posted 02/10/09 12:01pm

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rnljs said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:


Well I am 38 (39 next month) and I am barely set to tell my grandmother face to face. I have been out for 21 years lol I only confirmed it to my dad this year. Because of culture issues, my dad is Mexican, I have had to consider the macho shit and that is why it took me so long. But my dad did drop hints along the way that confirmed that he knew I was gay so it made it easier for me to do.

Depending on how hardcore the drug/alcohol use is I think that is the issue that you deal with first. Just keep the doors open because whether you know it or not if you have dropped hints in front of him, he's noticed them. In his own time he'll tell you. Try not to force it because you don't want him feeling caged.

Does not being able to be completely open about it to everyone hurt you? I would think the frustration would come out in other ways. I have never had to hide anything so significant.


Well yes and no. In many ways you just deal with things and move on. If someone is still in the closet at my age they have massive issues that you can't even begin to quantify. I have never had one of my boyfriends as part of the family. I have had a 3 year relationship and a 5 year relationship, neither of which my parents met the man I was involved with. It just seemed easier that way.

Not until the other day when we were talking about my brother breaking up with his girlfriend who we all loved did I really stop to think that I've been cheated in a way. I mean the cretan my sister is involved with is in our family for worse and the men I've been involved with it's just as well that I didn't introduce them because those relationships were fucked up anyway. But even my 15 year old nephew could be open and trumpet the fact he had a girlfriend neutral neutral neutral lol

But I'm set to start school this year which is going to change my life in amazing ways and when I find that man that I know I am destined to be with, this time he will be part of my family. But it's taken a long time to get to this point though. I've been out to my immediate family for 20 years now, my extended family mostly although not everyone because I have religious crazies who it's just better to ignore completely lol

Gosh, I wish I could have a sit down with your son! I wish you all the best and if you need advice, you know the org gay mafia will always be here to assist wink hug
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Reply #27 posted 02/10/09 12:05pm

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Ask him, what can it hurt? He maight want to talk but doesn't know how. smile
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Reply #28 posted 02/10/09 12:08pm

rnljs

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

rnljs said:


Does not being able to be completely open about it to everyone hurt you? I would think the frustration would come out in other ways. I have never had to hide anything so significant.


Well yes and no. In many ways you just deal with things and move on. If someone is still in the closet at my age they have massive issues that you can't even begin to quantify. I have never had one of my boyfriends as part of the family. I have had a 3 year relationship and a 5 year relationship, neither of which my parents met the man I was involved with. It just seemed easier that way.

Not until the other day when we were talking about my brother breaking up with his girlfriend who we all loved did I really stop to think that I've been cheated in a way. I mean the cretan my sister is involved with is in our family for worse and the men I've been involved with it's just as well that I didn't introduce them because those relationships were fucked up anyway. But even my 15 year old nephew could be open and trumpet the fact he had a girlfriend neutral neutral neutral lol

But I'm set to start school this year which is going to change my life in amazing ways and when I find that man that I know I am destined to be with, this time he will be part of my family. But it's taken a long time to get to this point though. I've been out to my immediate family for 20 years now, my extended family mostly although not everyone because I have religious crazies who it's just better to ignore completely lol

Gosh, I wish I could have a sit down with your son! I wish you all the best and if you need advice, you know the org gay mafia will always be here to assist wink hug
[Edited 2/10/09 12:03pm]

I wish you could talk to him too. thumbs up! I think that part about not being able to share that important part of your life is a loss for you and the family. A mom wants to see their child is happy and that they have found someone who brings out the best in them.I wish that holidays were with him and who is important to him. I wonder if it could be that way, would some of his other choices be different.
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Reply #29 posted 02/10/09 12:09pm

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rnljs said:

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:



Well yes and no. In many ways you just deal with things and move on. If someone is still in the closet at my age they have massive issues that you can't even begin to quantify. I have never had one of my boyfriends as part of the family. I have had a 3 year relationship and a 5 year relationship, neither of which my parents met the man I was involved with. It just seemed easier that way.

Not until the other day when we were talking about my brother breaking up with his girlfriend who we all loved did I really stop to think that I've been cheated in a way. I mean the cretan my sister is involved with is in our family for worse and the men I've been involved with it's just as well that I didn't introduce them because those relationships were fucked up anyway. But even my 15 year old nephew could be open and trumpet the fact he had a girlfriend neutral neutral neutral lol

But I'm set to start school this year which is going to change my life in amazing ways and when I find that man that I know I am destined to be with, this time he will be part of my family. But it's taken a long time to get to this point though. I've been out to my immediate family for 20 years now, my extended family mostly although not everyone because I have religious crazies who it's just better to ignore completely lol

Gosh, I wish I could have a sit down with your son! I wish you all the best and if you need advice, you know the org gay mafia will always be here to assist wink hug
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I wish you could talk to him too. thumbs up! I think that part about not being able to share that important part of your life is a loss for you and the family. A mom wants to see their child is happy and that they have found someone who brings out the best in them.I wish that holidays were with him and who is important to him. I wonder if it could be that way, would some of his other choices be different.


Well I have an extremely close relationship with my mom and I get along famously with the rest of my family so I don't think there will be any issues for when I bring my Prince home. Mostly I don't even think about it but I'm getting to the point where I'm gonna do what's right for me and that is to share the love of my life with my family. Just gotta find him first lol
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