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Thread started 02/07/09 5:09am

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John Elroy Sanford/Redd Foxx



How do we feel about the guy? I don't hear much about the guy, anymore. You hear about George Carlin and Richard Pryor, but what about this guy? Underrated, wouldn't you say?
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Reply #1 posted 02/07/09 10:32am

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Mysterioso said:



How do we feel about the guy? I don't hear much about the guy, anymore. You hear about George Carlin and Richard Pryor, but what about this guy? Underrated, wouldn't you say?


You know, I never cared much for Redd Foxx's standup. I always thought he was just filthy for filthy's sake. I didn't see much insight or brilliance in it. And offstage he had this kind of, smarmy Vegas personality. Shirts unbuttoned, gaudy gold necklaces, cigarette in one hand and a drink in the other. But, man, his portrayal of Fred Sanford was just gold. Besides maybe Jackie Gleason's 'Ralph Kramden', I don't think there's ever been a more true portrayal of any character in American sitcom. From much of what I've read, he ad-libbed a lot of that 'Sanford & Son' material. He created a character who's mannerisms were so true to dozens of older black men almost all of us know. And it was so contrary to how he was offstage. It was true acting.

Underappreciated and underrated, I'd say. Another St. Louis treasure.
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Reply #2 posted 02/07/09 3:50pm

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Mysterioso said:



How do we feel about the guy? I don't hear much about the guy, anymore. You hear about George Carlin and Richard Pryor, but what about this guy? Underrated, wouldn't you say?


You know, I never cared much for Redd Foxx's standup. I always thought he was just filthy for filthy's sake. I didn't see much insight or brilliance in it. And offstage he had this kind of, smarmy Vegas personality. Shirts unbuttoned, gaudy gold necklaces, cigarette in one hand and a drink in the other. But, man, his portrayal of Fred Sanford was just gold. Besides maybe Jackie Gleason's 'Ralph Kramden', I don't think there's ever been a more true portrayal of any character in American sitcom. From much of what I've read, he ad-libbed a lot of that 'Sanford & Son' material. He created a character who's mannerisms were so true to dozens of older black men almost all of us know. And it was so contrary to how he was offstage. It was true acting.

Underappreciated and underrated, I'd say. Another St. Louis treasure.

Loved him in Sanford and Son, that's the only show I've ever seen of his.
I didn't know he ad-libbed, but I know that you could see in the show parts where they
were holding in their laugh,
guess now that you mention the ad-lib part,
I guess some of the punchlines were so unexpected that they wanted to laugh.

Love that show.

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Reply #3 posted 02/08/09 1:32pm

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Reply #4 posted 02/08/09 5:20pm

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I always thought he was just filthy for filthy's sake

Yea that would have been the point of what he was doing. eek -----


violator said:

Mysterioso said:



How do we feel about the guy? I don't hear much about the guy, anymore. You hear about George Carlin and Richard Pryor, but what about this guy? Underrated, wouldn't you say?


You know, I never cared much for Redd Foxx's standup. I always thought he was just filthy for filthy's sake. I didn't see much insight or brilliance in it. And offstage he had this kind of, smarmy Vegas personality. Shirts unbuttoned, gaudy gold necklaces, cigarette in one hand and a drink in the other. But, man, his portrayal of Fred Sanford was just gold. Besides maybe Jackie Gleason's 'Ralph Kramden', I don't think there's ever been a more true portrayal of any character in American sitcom. From much of what I've read, he ad-libbed a lot of that 'Sanford & Son' material. He created a character who's mannerisms were so true to dozens of older black men almost all of us know. And it was so contrary to how he was offstage. It was true acting.

Underappreciated and underrated, I'd say. Another St. Louis treasure.
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Reply #5 posted 02/08/09 9:15pm

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Yea that would have been the point of what he was doing. eek -----




Yeah, but it's not what everyone does with filthy. So what's your point?
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Reply #6 posted 02/09/09 10:27am

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laurarichardson said:


Yea that would have been the point of what he was doing. eek -----




Yeah, but it's not what everyone does with filthy. So what's your point?

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My point is Redd’s type of comedy was not meant to be intellectual or political he tailored his humor to the chillin circuit audiences of post WW II America. I think you need to put Redd’s comedy in the time that he came along.

You can find the same type of humor from the Bosch Belt circuit that was popular with Jewish Americans.
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Reply #7 posted 02/09/09 10:37am

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violator said:



Yeah, but it's not what everyone does with filthy. So what's your point?

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My point is Redd’s type of comedy was not meant to be intellectual or political he tailored his humor to the chillin circuit audiences of post WW II America. I think you need to put Redd’s comedy in the time that he came along.

You can find the same type of humor from the Bosch Belt circuit that was popular with Jewish Americans.


I understand.
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