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Printablepaintedlady said: Genesia said: I'm sorry...but as a lifelong follower of professional golf, I have to call bullshit on that. Chi Chi Rodriguez didn't come close to what Tiger's done. Chi Chi won 8 PGA titles - not one major. Tiger Woods, on the other hand, had 8 PGA victories in 1999 alone. He'e won a total of 65 PGA events - including won 14 majors. He's won more majors than any other player except Jack Nicklaus. You wanna talk about Tiger's real forebears? Talk about Charlie Sifford - the first black PGA tour player. Or Lee Elder - the first black player to play the Masters in 1975. Tiger pays homage to these men often, knowing the very real discrimination they faced (not being able to play certain events because of course restrictions, for example), threats they endured, and sacrifices they made. Tiger himself was unable to play certain courses while growing up. He knows where he comes from - and has talked about it. I stand corrected, still, evenmore so why she should be proud of where he came from and not say that he is "Caublasian" its not about color, but a rich heritage that many white and black people have fought for. I just don't understand the insistence that he be only black. Cablinasian (or whatever the term he uses) at least attempts to acknowledge all the things he is. If he is only black, he denies his Thai mother. He denies the Native American, white and Chinese aspects of his father's side. Frankly, nearly all of his forebears were of races that were treated horribly at one time or another. Some clubs could just as easily have denied him membership on the basis of his Chinese heritage as for the black part of it. The man is a great golfer. He has talked about his heritage a lot in those terms. He is not interested in being a political figure (at least, not at the moment). Why should he be compelled to be? We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: paintedlady said: I stand corrected, still, evenmore so why she should be proud of where he came from and not say that he is "Caublasian" its not about color, but a rich heritage that many white and black people have fought for. I just don't understand the insistence that he be only black. Cablinasian (or whatever the term he uses) at least attempts to acknowledge all the things he is. If he is only black, he denies his Thai mother. He denies the Native American, white and Chinese aspects of his father's side. Frankly, nearly all of his forebears were of races that were treated horribly at one time or another. Some clubs could just as easily have denied him membership on the basis of his Chinese heritage as for the black part of it. The man is a great golfer. He has talked about his heritage a lot in those terms. He is not interested in being a political figure (at least, not at the moment). Why should he be compelled to be? No it's not that he is only black to me.... its that he is benefiting from people who see him as being black and he accepts the rewards but then takes this stance as NOT black. I don't care what he calls himself, as long as it isn't written in a history book as "The first black man to win..... Tiger Woods". If he were where white he would would not be as famous and have all of these endorsements that comes along with that fame. Shit, let someone else have a chance at it, and he can market himself to all the Caublasians he wants to. Its a slap in the face to black people what he's done. | |
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paintedlady said: Genesia said: I just don't understand the insistence that he be only black. Cablinasian (or whatever the term he uses) at least attempts to acknowledge all the things he is. If he is only black, he denies his Thai mother. He denies the Native American, white and Chinese aspects of his father's side. Frankly, nearly all of his forebears were of races that were treated horribly at one time or another. Some clubs could just as easily have denied him membership on the basis of his Chinese heritage as for the black part of it. The man is a great golfer. He has talked about his heritage a lot in those terms. He is not interested in being a political figure (at least, not at the moment). Why should he be compelled to be? No it's not that he is only black to me.... its that he is benefiting from people who see him as being black and he accepts the rewards but then takes this stance as NOT black. I don't care what he calls himself, as long as it isn't written in a history book as "The first black man to win..... Tiger Woods". If he were where white he would would not be as famous and have all of these endorsements that comes along with that fame. Shit, let someone else have a chance at it, and he can market himself to all the Caublasians he wants to. Its a slap in the face to black people what he's done. Again, I don't see him as being rewarded for "being black." He is awarded and rewarded for being a great golfer and a telegenic representative of his sport. "Let someone else have a chance at it"? You seem to think that if there were no Tiger Woods, his sponsors would just give that money to someone else. That's laughable. Tiger has brought money to the PGA Tour (money that was never there before) because he has charisma and captures the imagination in a way other mere mortals (not to mention golfers) don't. His sponsors pay him because he makes money for them, pure and simple. "It's a slap in the face to black people what he's done." It always comes back to the same argument, doesn't it? He has never said he is not black - only that black is one part of his racial heritage. Again, you are insisting that he only be black. And I would love for you to tell me how getting paid is an insult to black people. [Edited 2/9/09 7:54am] We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: It always comes back to the same argument, doesn't it? He has never said he is not black -
[Edited 2/9/09 7:54am] That would be INCORRECT. | |
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Graycap23 said: Genesia said: It always comes back to the same argument, doesn't it? He has never said he is not black -
[Edited 2/9/09 7:54am] That would be INCORRECT. Prove it. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: paintedlady said: No it's not that he is only black to me.... its that he is benefiting from people who see him as being black and he accepts the rewards but then takes this stance as NOT black. I don't care what he calls himself, as long as it isn't written in a history book as "The first black man to win..... Tiger Woods". If he were where white he would would not be as famous and have all of these endorsements that comes along with that fame. Shit, let someone else have a chance at it, and he can market himself to all the Caublasians he wants to. Its a slap in the face to black people what he's done. Again, I don't see him as being rewarded for "being black." He is awarded and rewarded for being a great golfer and a telegenic representative of his sport. "Let someone else have a chance at it"? You seem to think that if there were no Tiger Woods, his sponsors would just give that money to someone else. That's laughable. Tiger has brought money to the PGA Tour (money that was never there before) because he has charisma and captures the imagination in a way other mere mortals (not to mention golfers) don't. His sponsors pay him because he makes money for them, pure and simple. "It's a slap in the face to black people what he's done." It always comes back to the same argument, doesn't it? He has never said he is not black - only that black is one part of his racial heritage. Again, you are insisting that he only be black. And I would love for you to tell me how getting paid is an insult to black people. [Edited 2/9/09 7:54am] Getting paid for being black and not claiming it is the problem. You make valid points of him being a great golfer, but me and you both know that the endorsements are to sell the image, and his image is sold in Cadillac, Nike ads and the like that these companies target consumer is the black consumer. Tiger appeals to many Black people because of his skin color. Yes he's earned his titles by playing well, its the fame that came after that is the issue. Black people spend lots of money on the products he endorses, simple as that. The companies know it, that is why they put his black looking face up there, not a white man's face. Its his LOOK not his talents. | |
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Genesia said: Graycap23 said: That would be INCORRECT. Prove it. How would I "prove" a personal encounter with the man? | |
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Graycap23 said: Genesia said: Prove it. How would I "prove" a personal encounter with the man? thanks for totally undermining your own allegation then.....  | |
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abierman said: Graycap23 said: How would I "prove" a personal encounter with the man? thanks for totally undermining your own allegation then..... If u say so..... | |
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paintedlady said: Genesia said: Again, I don't see him as being rewarded for "being black." He is awarded and rewarded for being a great golfer and a telegenic representative of his sport. "Let someone else have a chance at it"? You seem to think that if there were no Tiger Woods, his sponsors would just give that money to someone else. That's laughable. Tiger has brought money to the PGA Tour (money that was never there before) because he has charisma and captures the imagination in a way other mere mortals (not to mention golfers) don't. His sponsors pay him because he makes money for them, pure and simple. "It's a slap in the face to black people what he's done." It always comes back to the same argument, doesn't it? He has never said he is not black - only that black is one part of his racial heritage. Again, you are insisting that he only be black. And I would love for you to tell me how getting paid is an insult to black people. [Edited 2/9/09 7:54am] Getting paid for being black and not claiming it is the problem. You make valid points of him being a great golfer, but me and you both know that the endorsements are to sell the image, and his image is sold in Cadillac, Nike ads and the like that these companies target consumer is the black consumer. Tiger appeals to many Black people because of his skin color. Yes he's earned his titles by playing well, its the fame that came after that is the issue. Black people spend lots of money on the products he endorses, simple as that. The companies know it, that is why they put his black looking face up there, not a white man's face. Its his LOOK not his talents. Jesus. He is not paid to be black. I can't believe you keep coming back to that nonsense. Tiger is not sponsored by Cadillac. And do you really think Accenture - which according to its own website is a "global management consulting, technology services and outsourcing company" has average black (or white) folks as its target audience? How many average black (or white) folks can afford a Tag Heuer wristwatch (another of his endorsements)? I'm not surprised Tiger appeals to black people because of his skin color. Barack Obama appeals to black people because of his skin color, too. But that doesn't mean either man has to be about "being black" (whatever that means) 24/7. Frankly, if they were, they wouldn't have risen to the heights they have. Quite simply, they have bigger fish to fry. Come to think of it...white folks probably spend more on the products Tiger endorses than black folks. So maybe he should play up his Caucasian background more. I mean...follow the money. Y'know? We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Graycap23 said: Genesia said: Prove it. How would I "prove" a personal encounter with the man? A personal encounter? Was that before or after Prince gave you the tracklists to his upcoming three albums?  We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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Genesia said: Graycap23 said: How would I "prove" a personal encounter with the man? A personal encounter? Was that before or after Prince gave you the tracklists to his upcoming three albums? Brilliant response. Note 2 self: Do NOT feed the trolls. [Edited 2/9/09 18:40pm] | |
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Graycap23 said: Genesia said: A personal encounter? Was that before or after Prince gave you the tracklists to his upcoming three albums? Brilliant response. Note 2 self: Do NOT feed the trolls. [Edited 2/9/09 18:40pm] Dawg, I already made that same damn mistake! nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: Graycap23 said: Brilliant response. Note 2 self: Do NOT feed the trolls. [Edited 2/9/09 18:40pm] Dawg, I already made that same damn mistake! He/she is on the LIST. It's all good. I'm weeding them out slowyly but surely. | |
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Graycap23 said: MuthaFunka said: Dawg, I already made that same damn mistake! He/she is on the LIST. It's all good. I'm weeding them out slowyly but surely. On the "list?"
However shall I go on. 
<--- tries to imagine the "personal encounter" Graycap to Tiger: Yo, man. What are you, anyway? Tiger to Graycap: Well I'm not black, that's for damn sure. But don't tell anyone...cuz I make a lot off money of folks who think I am.  We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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paintedlady said: I was grossed out watching tongues wagging for some reason. The William's sister tried to be as neat about it as possible, but those commercials gross me out.
I think I just never got over the "older woman" commercial like that, racing with her granddaughter. me either  To make a thief, make an owner; to create crime, create laws. | |
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Graycap23 said: MuthaFunka said: Dawg, I already made that same damn mistake! He/she is on the LIST. It's all good. I'm weeding them out slowyly but surely. My list grows daily. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Cookies are so much better than golf.  | |
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MuthaFunka said: Graycap23 said: He/she is on the LIST. It's all good. I'm weeding them out slowyly but surely. My list grows daily.  Weeding out is fun. | |
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Graycap23 said: MuthaFunka said: My list grows daily. Weeding out is fun.Weed is fun. Oh! My bad! nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: Graycap23 said: Weeding out is fun.Weed is fun. Oh! My bad! lol.....Know u know damn well I don't smoke or do drugs.....music is my drug of choice. | |
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Graycap23 said: MuthaFunka said: Weed is fun. Oh! My bad! lol.....Know u know damn well I don't smoke or do drugs.....music is my drug of choice. I've never inhaled.  nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Tiger Woods is a legend in the game, a true professional and an ambassador for the game. His comments taken out of context are made to look derogatory when in fact his statement was meant to acknowledge all of his make-up rather than one part. In actuality his genetic background is equally Asian and Black. If his attitude is one of trying to forge a new way ahead where he is not defined by his skin colour then i say that makes him a great role model.
If a bunch of people who can't see beyond the colour of his skin want to make a big deal about his description of himself then they are the ones with an issue. Not Tiger. [Edited 2/11/09 4:03am] | |
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Why do people always want to over analyse and pick fault at everything.. ???
Its an advert!! Does it work? Yes.. cos it gets you talking about it..
Oh and Oreos.. I like the black and the white bitsI will love you forever and you will never be forgotten - L.A.F.  | |
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mdiver said: Tiger Woods is a legend in the game, a true professional and an ambassador for the game. His comments taken out of context are made to look derogatory when in fact his statement was meant to acknowledge all of his make-up rather than one part. In actuality his genetic background is equally Asian and Black. If his attitude is one of trying to forge a new way ahead where he is not defined by his skin colour then i say that makes him a great role model.
If a bunch of people who can't see beyond the colour of his skin want to make a big deal about his description of himself then they are the ones with an issue. Not Tiger.   | |
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