Graycap23 said:

That's what an "oreo" was considered as being in my neighborhood/school district as well. It had nothing to do with the use of proper speech or a high level of intellect. I remember the few who were called "oreos" when I was younger weren't even very intelligent, and spoke poorly/ignorantly.

MuthaFunka said:

why would Tiger Woods be considered white? because he plays golf? He is probably the best golf player in the history, do black people consider such a thing to be 'unblack'?

About Woods' ethnicity:


Woods was born in Cypress, California to Earl (1932-2006) and Kultida (Tida) Woods (1944). He is the only child of their marriage but has two half-brothers, Earl Jr. (born 1955) and Kevin (born 1957), and one half-sister, Royce (born 1958) from the 18-year marriage of Earl Woods and his first wife, Barbara Woods Gray. Earl, a retired United States Army lieutenant colonel and Vietnam War veteran, was of mixed African American (50 percent), Chinese (25 percent) and Native American (25 percent) ancestry. Kultida (nee Punsawad), originally from Thailand, is of mixed Thai (50 percent), Chinese (25 percent), and Dutch (25 percent) ancestry. This makes Woods himself one-quarter Chinese, one-quarter Thai, one-quarter African American, one-eighth Native American, and one-eighth Dutch.[5] He refers to his ethnic make-up as “Cablinasian” (a portmanteau he coined from Caucasian, Black, (American) Indian, and Asian) - Wikipedia

To me, he is the perfect world-citizen. Can't see black or white here....

ThreadCula said:

That was a hard thing to look at... glad I am not the only one that felt that way.
So, I never even notice the race thing in the commercial, I'm too busy trying NOT to look at the tongues flapping.

abierman said:

For me, he accepts titles and accolades for being the "1st Black _____ "

and gets endorsements because of it that are lucrative but yet turns around and says... "don't call me black" and "I see myself as this or that but not a black man".... then don't take money for being black. Only take deals and accept awards for being a a great golfer and do not allow someone to place you in a history book or accept recognition for advancing people of a certain race.
[Edited 2/6/09 14:44pm]

abierman said:

You're the only one that brought up the golf angle, so what made you go there?

paintedlady said:

lol I know.
You're not the only one. Trust me

abierman said:

No. Tennis was in the same "generally non-Black sport" category as golf in the US, but I've never heard anyone call the Williams sisters "oreos."

If anyone calls Tiger that, it's not because of his occupation or status as the greatest professional golfer, nor his education history....

hokie said:

yep !!!!!

paintedlady said:

Yeah, it's almost as if Tiger shuns being Black at times. Like he thinks of it as some sort of hindrance or unnecessary truth.

WaterInYourBath said:

Exactly.

MuthaFunka said:

You mentioned three names, I don't know enough about Thomas or Smith. I do know about Woods, I follow his career, the guy is an absolute phenomenon. I also know that golf is still being considered to be a 'white' sport, and therefore I cheer Woods accomplishments even more. However, I am also aware of the stigma that surrounds golf as a sport in general, and that is certainly not a racial thing.Same thing goes indeed for tennis and the Williams-sisters. Why not cheer for them and their accomplishments, leave the race-/oreo-thing beside? These are awesome sports people!

i didn't see anything wrong with it

hokie said:

I'm with you on that, I looooove Oreos.

MuthaFunka said:

Well, Tiger just happens to be the first non-white person to reach these levels in the golf sport.....I think you should just look at it like that, not necessarily him being the 'first black' person.....if you look at his ethnicity, he father was only half black, and a lot of other racial backgrounds are in the mix. I think he's inspiring, a great model for many kids, regardless what race.
The deals, they come with the sport.....just like in any sport and not because he happens to be of color or not.

MuthaFunka said:

paintedlady said:

That might well be the dumbest thing I ever heard.

Tiger Woods doesn't get anything for "being black." He has incredible endorsement deals because he is the undisputed champion of the world at what he does - and presents an flawless image for the companies who pay him to represent them.

If Tiger Woods were merely "black" - ie, had done nothing but live an average life - nobody'd be paying him shit for the privilege.

Do you honestly think people who are part of history (and Tiger Woods is a part of history already) get to decide who writes about them? If he's in the history books, it's because of what he's done - not because of what he is.

"Do not allow someone to place you in a history book." What a preposterous statement. Like he can stop them.

Genesia said:

so true

abierman said:

Wrong. I didn't. Read that post you're referring to and direct your questions to the author of that post.

abierman said:

So because he's the first minority to reach those heights that means he needs to shun his Black heritage and then make it a point to point that out about himself? I have no problem with his other ancestry, most Blacks come with a few flavas, but he VERY RARELY mans-up and takes any socio-political stance for his Black ancestry.

MuthaFunka said:

ok, so you didn't, my bad....I was quoting the both of you, it doesn't really mather since I answered YOUR question, am I wrong??

abierman said:

No, it matters that you get the author right.

MuthaFunka said:

Apparently he's of Dutch ancestry as well, I never knew that until I read his wiki just now.....so, he never talks about that either, it really can not piss me off though....

abierman said:

MuthaFunka said:

so, I made the mistake about the names.....I was just mentioning that because I wanted to make clear that I don't know much about Thomas or Smith....big effing deal. You asked me why I mentioned the golf angle, I explained.....what's the issue, Mutha?????

abierman said:

It's simple: The issue was, you confused me with another Orger. I don't know of any other way I can make that any clearer, unless you know of one?

MuthaFunka said:

Did it make any difference in my answer to you about the golf angle?????

abierman said:

Your response to the golf angle isn't what we're discussing at this point, so that was never the issue.

MuthaFunka said:

still I answered your question.....fuck it, I'll rest my case.....sick & tired of your [snip -Mars23] trolling, always the same!

abierman said:

You never had a case. Ever. You were just trying to stir some shit up and it didn't work. And now look at how you went out - all pissed off about it and shit. Sad. .

MuthaFunka said:

you must be the biggest [Name calling snip - luv4u] around.....I was not stirring up anything.....but, have it your way, bro.....it's all good with me!