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Printablesextonseven said: meow85 said:  I could start a whole 'nother thread on what's wrong with the super-wimmin's footwear..
I get the whack-material factor. And don't get me wrong, I love high heels. I own over 20 pairs. 
But why, oh why, if Batman and Nightwing and the Robin-of-the-week are wearing great big stompin' boots, is Batgirl sporting stilletos? That's just stupid. Every time I watch Batman Returns (around Christmastime), I laugh at how Catwoman's stilletos magically change to flats whenever she does flips or any sort of gymnastics. Something like Prince's shoes magically changing to flats in the Partyman vid... "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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sextonseven said: meow85 said: I could start a whole 'nother thread on what's wrong with the super-wimmin's footwear..
I get the whack-material factor. And don't get me wrong, I love high heels. I own over 20 pairs.
But why, oh why, if Batman and Nightwing and the Robin-of-the-week are wearing great big stompin' boots, is Batgirl sporting stilletos? That's just stupid. The new Batgirl doesn't have stilletos, but she is drawn amazingly thin. I know she's only 15 or something, but it's still a little hard to believe she was raised to be a master assassin looking so frail.  Holy...! That picture illustrates the point of this thread perfectly. Thanks for posting. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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reneGade20 said: applekisses said: Same here. They really don't limit my physical activity, but trying to sleep on my stomach is a trick. I know that other women do have a lot of pain/movement issues, though. I'm just lucky I'm not one - I think it's because I'm a tall girl with a big frame and can handle the boobage. I think more petite women have a bigger challenge. All I know is that I've done hand to hand combat training with female troops who would bust a MFs ass, tits and all...and one of my colleagues in New York was the lead instructor at the Air Assault Course, where they teach us lunkheads how to rappel from a helicopter and down the side of cliffs and shit...and if I remember correctly, she looked pretty well stacked when she was in civvies.... Yeah, but was she fighting and rapelling with magically gravity-defying, solid-as-rock, mostly exposed, be-spandexed titties? Or did she have her sweater puppies safely contained in a bra and practical clothes? That would make quite a lot of difference in how much success she had. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: reneGade20 said: All I know is that I've done hand to hand combat training with female troops who would bust a MFs ass, tits and all...and one of my colleagues in New York was the lead instructor at the Air Assault Course, where they teach us lunkheads how to rappel from a helicopter and down the side of cliffs and shit...and if I remember correctly, she looked pretty well stacked when she was in civvies.... Yeah, but was she fighting and rapelling with magically gravity-defying, solid-as-rock, mostly exposed, be-spandexed titties? Or did she have her sweater puppies safely contained in a bra and practical clothes? That would make quite a lot of difference in how much success she had. oh, I'm sorry...I must've missed the part where you went away from saying that women who were well-endowed were one in a million if their ta-tas didn't prevent them from doing all things physical and went more towards it being about what they were wearing.....my bad.... He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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meow85 said: sextonseven said: The new Batgirl doesn't have stilletos, but she is drawn amazingly thin. I know she's only 15 or something, but it's still a little hard to believe she was raised to be a master assassin looking so frail. Holy...! That picture illustrates the point of this thread perfectly. Thanks for posting. Her counterpart at Marvel, X-23 (a clone of Wolverine) is often drawn the same way: 
Both characters are teenage killing machines. | |
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sextonseven said: meow85 said: Holy...! That picture illustrates the point of this thread perfectly. Thanks for posting. Her counterpart at Marvel, X-23 (a clone of Wolverine) is often drawn the same way:
Both characters are teenage killing machines. It's fantasy - they all do fantastical things. Why can't some scrawny teen have superstrength? I didn't realize that realism was such an important part of comics! | |
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JustErin said: sextonseven said: Her counterpart at Marvel, X-23 (a clone of Wolverine) is often drawn the same way:
Both characters are teenage killing machines. It's fantasy - they all do fantastical things. Why can't some scrawny teen have superstrength? I didn't realize that realism was such an important part of comics! They don't have super strength actually. I liken them to Summer Glau's character in the movie Serenity. A switch in their brain turns on and they're in berserker mode. And honestly, the suspension of disbelief doesn't really bother me. I just like supporting meow's argument.  | |
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sextonseven said: JustErin said: It's fantasy - they all do fantastical things. Why can't some scrawny teen have superstrength? I didn't realize that realism was such an important part of comics! They don't have super strength actually. I liken them to Summer Glau's character in the movie Serenity. A switch in their brain turns on and they're in berserker mode. And honestly, the suspension of disbelief doesn't really bother me. I just like supporting meow's argument.  | |
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reneGade20 said: meow85 said: Yeah, but was she fighting and rapelling with magically gravity-defying, solid-as-rock, mostly exposed, be-spandexed titties? Or did she have her sweater puppies safely contained in a bra and practical clothes? That would make quite a lot of difference in how much success she had. oh, I'm sorry...I must've missed the part where you went away from saying that women who were well-endowed were one in a million if their ta-tas didn't prevent them from doing all things physical and went more towards it being about what they were wearing.....my bad.... I assumed it wasn't a very far leap to make. Anyone who knows anything about human female breasts knows that how they're contained (i.e. clothing) plays a large role in movement. Sorry, for not explaining it.  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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JustErin said: sextonseven said: Her counterpart at Marvel, X-23 (a clone of Wolverine) is often drawn the same way:
Both characters are teenage killing machines. It's fantasy - they all do fantastical things. Why can't some scrawny teen have superstrength? I didn't realize that realism was such an important part of comics! If it wasn't, do you think mondern comic movies would be bothering to draw up more realistic stories for their characters? Otherwise, why not have Nolan's Two-Face just get acid thrown in his face? After all, it's not real.... 
Realism matters quite a lot to comic fans lately. In all areas, it seems, except human anatomy. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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People are too demanding. Just insatiable. Even if those areas were covered so that no one was being discriminated or belittled, then someone would still be complaining. There's just no pleasing people! AH! And yes, I HAVE contributed to the damn thread, before you fix your fingers to type that crap over again. This sig is just a fig of your imago-neigh-shun | |
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Mysterioso said: People are too demanding. Just insatiable. Even if those areas were covered so that no one was being discriminated or belittled, then someone would still be complaining. There's just no pleasing people! AH! And yes, I HAVE contributed to the damn thread, before you fix your fingers to type that crap over again.
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meow85 said: Mysterioso said: People are too demanding. Just insatiable. Even if those areas were covered so that no one was being discriminated or belittled, then someone would still be complaining. There's just no pleasing people! AH! And yes, I HAVE contributed to the damn thread, before you fix your fingers to type that crap over again.
How do you figure that? Because there's always something to complain about. I guess it's understandable to want perfection if you're such an aficionado of the subject in contingency. But, diligence rears it's headfirst-inflicting imposition on this one. In the end, I would LOVE for this society to be just a tad bit more appeasing to each underdog/minoritie of this world that it wears down (Gender/Race/Ethnicity). You can't have it all. Seeing as though the powers that be belie in the palm of every tyrannical chauvinist testosterone-drone male of a freak out there, something's bound to be overseen.  It's up to strong-headed women such as yourself to be willing to enforce the ideas of which you propose.[Edited 2/5/09 5:21am] This sig is just a fig of your imago-neigh-shun | |
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meow85 said: JustErin said: It's fantasy - they all do fantastical things. Why can't some scrawny teen have superstrength? I didn't realize that realism was such an important part of comics! If it wasn't, do you think mondern comic movies would be bothering to draw up more realistic stories for their characters? Otherwise, why not have Nolan's Two-Face just get acid thrown in his face? After all, it's not real....
Realism matters quite a lot to comic fans lately. In all areas, it seems, except human anatomy. More realistic stories?? | |
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Mysterioso said: Because there's always something to complain about. I guess it's understandable to want perfection if you're such an aficionado of the subject in contingency. But, diligence rears it's headfirst-inflicting imposition on this one. In the end, I would LOVE for this society to be just a tad bit more appeasing to each underdog/minoritie of this world that it wears down (Gender/Race/Ethnicity). You can't have it all. Seeing as though the powers that be belie in the palm of every tyrannical chauvinist testosterone-drone male of a freak out there, something's bound to be overseen.
It's up to strong-headed women such as yourself to be willing to enforce the ideas of which you propose.You're trying too hard, bro. You don't pull off being a stereotypically feminine female very well. You should just be yourself. It looks much more natural and.....well...you know, GENUINE!  | |
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Cloudbuster said: Mysterioso said: Because there's always something to complain about. I guess it's understandable to want perfection if you're such an aficionado of the subject in contingency. But, diligence rears it's headfirst-inflicting imposition on this one. In the end, I would LOVE for this society to be just a tad bit more appeasing to each underdog/minoritie of this world that it wears down (Gender/Race/Ethnicity). You can't have it all. Seeing as though the powers that be belie in the palm of every tyrannical chauvinist testosterone-drone male of a freak out there, something's bound to be overseen.
It's up to strong-headed women such as yourself to be willing to enforce the ideas of which you propose.You're trying too hard, bro. You don't pull off being a stereotypically feminine female very well. You should just be yourself. It looks much more natural and.....well...you know, GENUINE! Oh no! Not you again. Bitch, it's on! *Takes off Lee Press-On Nails*  This sig is just a fig of your imago-neigh-shun | |
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Mysterioso said: Cloudbuster said: You're trying too hard, bro. You don't pull off being a stereotypically feminine female very well. You should just be yourself. It looks much more natural and.....well...you know, GENUINE!
Oh no! Not you again. Bitch, it's on! *Takes off Lee Press-On Nails*  | |
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Cloudbuster said: Mysterioso said: Oh no! Not you again. Bitch, it's on! *Takes off Lee Press-On Nails*  This sig is just a fig of your imago-neigh-shun | |
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meow85 said: reneGade20 said: oh, I'm sorry...I must've missed the part where you went away from saying that women who were well-endowed were one in a million if their ta-tas didn't prevent them from doing all things physical and went more towards it being about what they were wearing.....my bad.... I assumed it wasn't a very far leap to make. Anyone who knows anything about human female breasts knows that how they're contained (i.e. clothing) plays a large role in movement. Sorry, for not explaining it. lessee....three older sisters, several girlfriends, and a wife of over 17 years...yeah, what the hell would I know about female breasts...much less HUMAN female breasts...and how they move when contained in clothing...  you're trying to apply real physics to COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS...and no matter how much realism gets injected into comics, they're still gonna be comics at the end of the day, and as such, open to artistic license in the artwork and storylines...He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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JustErin said: meow85 said: If it wasn't, do you think mondern comic movies would be bothering to draw up more realistic stories for their characters? Otherwise, why not have Nolan's Two-Face just get acid thrown in his face? After all, it's not real....
Realism matters quite a lot to comic fans lately. In all areas, it seems, except human anatomy. More realistic stories?? More believable, then. For a contrast: In the comicverse, TwoFace acquired his deformity by having acid thrown in his face, but he picked up a paper/sheet/file folder just in time to protect his right side. Yes, acid that was corrosive enough to melt flesh on contact was stopped miraculously by paper. Somehow this accident gave him a dual personality wherein, depending on the writer, he'd even argue with himself. In the Nolanverse, TwoFace's unfortunate visage is the result of fire. Sparks from an explosion hit the left side of his face, which had gasoline on it. He was prior to the accident a bit psychologically shaky, so what becomes of him after really isn't a huge shift. Why was this story changed? Because people bitched about the silliness and lack of realism in the classic origin story. So I'm asking, how can people be so concerned about realism that a character's entire backstory can be drastically altered, but then support ridiculous looking proportions in the name of fantasy? It's inconsistent. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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reneGade20 said: meow85 said: I assumed it wasn't a very far leap to make. Anyone who knows anything about human female breasts knows that how they're contained (i.e. clothing) plays a large role in movement. Sorry, for not explaining it. lessee....three older sisters, several girlfriends, and a wife of over 17 years...yeah, what the hell would I know about female breasts...much less HUMAN female breasts...and how they move when contained in clothing... you're trying to apply real physics to COMIC BOOK CHARACTERS...and no matter how much realism gets injected into comics, they're still gonna be comics at the end of the day, and as such, open to artistic license in the artwork and storylines...See my post to JustErin. Storylines and character details are being revised all over the place in the name of realism. Why complain about silliness and implausibility in comics if the characters are still being drawn with sideshow looking proportions? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: JustErin said: More realistic stories?? More believable, then. For a contrast: In the comicverse, TwoFace acquired his deformity by having acid thrown in his face, but he picked up a paper/sheet/file folder just in time to protect his right side. Yes, acid that was corrosive enough to melt flesh on contact was stopped miraculously by paper. Somehow this accident gave him a dual personality wherein, depending on the writer, he'd even argue with himself. In the Nolanverse, TwoFace's unfortunate visage is the result of fire. Sparks from an explosion hit the left side of his face, which had gasoline on it. He was prior to the accident a bit psychologically shaky, so what becomes of him after really isn't a huge shift. Why was this story changed? Because people bitched about the silliness and lack of realism in the classic origin story. So I'm asking, how can people be so concerned about realism that a character's entire backstory can be drastically altered, but then support ridiculous looking proportions in the name of fantasy? It's inconsistent. Or the fact that superman flies or that the hulk is what he is. You're right, it's very inconsistant. | |
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JustErin said: meow85 said: More believable, then. For a contrast: In the comicverse, TwoFace acquired his deformity by having acid thrown in his face, but he picked up a paper/sheet/file folder just in time to protect his right side. Yes, acid that was corrosive enough to melt flesh on contact was stopped miraculously by paper. Somehow this accident gave him a dual personality wherein, depending on the writer, he'd even argue with himself. In the Nolanverse, TwoFace's unfortunate visage is the result of fire. Sparks from an explosion hit the left side of his face, which had gasoline on it. He was prior to the accident a bit psychologically shaky, so what becomes of him after really isn't a huge shift. Why was this story changed? Because people bitched about the silliness and lack of realism in the classic origin story. So I'm asking, how can people be so concerned about realism that a character's entire backstory can be drastically altered, but then support ridiculous looking proportions in the name of fantasy? It's inconsistent. Or the fact that superman flies or that the hulk is what he is. You're right, it's very inconsistant. Right. These creatures are not real, so why are their looks supposed to be like a complete average human? That's what science fiction is - fiction. | |
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ArielB said: JustErin said: Or the fact that superman flies or that the hulk is what he is. You're right, it's very inconsistant. Right. These creatures are not real, so why are their looks supposed to be like a complete average human? That's what science fiction is - fiction. Dare I say that this all just might be simply about women looking at these images and feeling that this is men saying that they need to live up to these standards? I think that's total bunk. Give men some freaking credit, most are not looking at these drawings thinking that women need or should look like that. As you said, it's fiction, it's fantasy and yes...men do realize this. | |
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I'd like a comic female character to be like Black Bolt,
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meow85 said: reneGade20 said: See my post to JustErin. Storylines and character details are being revised all over the place in the name of realism. Why complain about silliness and implausibility in comics if the characters are still being drawn with sideshow looking proportions? When did I start "complaining" about anything?  My stance is that silly, implausible story lines and badly drawn characters go hand in hand with comics.....you're the one who went all dippy about how the women in comics were being drawn....or as the title of your thread so clearly declares "A COMPLAINT ABOUT WOMEN'S PORTRAYAL IN COMIC BOOKS"...[Edited 2/5/09 13:02pm] He was like a cock who thought the sun had risen to hear him crow.
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JustErin said: ArielB said: Right. These creatures are not real, so why are their looks supposed to be like a complete average human? That's what science fiction is - fiction. Dare I say that this all just might be simply about women looking at these images and feeling that this is men saying that they need to live up to these standards? I think that's total bunk. Give men some freaking credit, most are not looking at these drawings thinking that women need or should look like that. As you said, it's fiction, it's fantasy and yes...men do realize this. Well, golly then. Why ever say anything about women's portrayal in any form of media? It's all fiction, but movies, tv shows, and ads seem ripe for picking apart regarding their gender and sexual politics and portrayals. How's it that comics are supposed to get a pass? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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JustErin said: meow85 said: More believable, then. For a contrast: In the comicverse, TwoFace acquired his deformity by having acid thrown in his face, but he picked up a paper/sheet/file folder just in time to protect his right side. Yes, acid that was corrosive enough to melt flesh on contact was stopped miraculously by paper. Somehow this accident gave him a dual personality wherein, depending on the writer, he'd even argue with himself. In the Nolanverse, TwoFace's unfortunate visage is the result of fire. Sparks from an explosion hit the left side of his face, which had gasoline on it. He was prior to the accident a bit psychologically shaky, so what becomes of him after really isn't a huge shift. Why was this story changed? Because people bitched about the silliness and lack of realism in the classic origin story. So I'm asking, how can people be so concerned about realism that a character's entire backstory can be drastically altered, but then support ridiculous looking proportions in the name of fantasy? It's inconsistent. Or the fact that superman flies or that the hulk is what he is. You're right, it's very inconsistant. Bravo on not addressing my post. Cute, Erin. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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ArielB said: JustErin said: Or the fact that superman flies or that the hulk is what he is. You're right, it's very inconsistant. Right. These creatures are not real, so why are their looks supposed to be like a complete average human? That's what science fiction is - fiction. Why are their stories supposed to be plausible these days? Why are backstories and motivations and even character's names retconned to satisfy demands for realism? Why bother with any of that? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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just came in here to contribute with some japanese manga characters
female Bulma from Dragonball 
Ryoko from Tenchi Muyo 
Faye from Cowboy Bebop 
male Goku from Dragonball 
Kenshiro from Fist Of The North Star 
Onizuka from GTO 
diverse as the US comics carry on.... "We may deify or demonize them but not ignore them. And we call them genius, because they are the people who change the world." |
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