Just how weak minded does one have 2 be 2 do this?

butterfli25 said:

This is sad, but the work issue as a reason for killing your wife and kids is some bullshit.

Graycap23 said:

Straight punk ass coward. Poor children.

This is a terrible, tragic story....it was stated in another thread that folks have seriously diminished coping mechanisms these days, and it's a sad, sad commentary on a society when hopelessness leads folks to go to their last resort with such deadly results....

On the flip side, I can't see this dude as anything other than selfish as hell for killing his kids....how do you shoot your own children in their heads? I also feel bad for the wife, but he implicated her in the plan, so we'll never know if she did or didn't have something to do with it...to me, they both had other options....there's always something out there that you can do....

I read about this in the newspaper this morning and it's so tragic and disgusting. I understand that you can be in dispair when it comes to losing your income and not knowing how to pay your bills because of that but does that mean having to hurt, let alone kill your family and yourself? That is sick and deranged. Those kids didn't deserve that. His wife didn't deserve that. Hell, the dude didn't deserve that. It's just a shame that he might not have had someone to go to that would talk some sense into him, unless he was going to do that anyway. This is such a tragedy. I'm scared that this won't be the only case like this one happening because of the economy. I hope and pray this doesn't happen to anyone else.

Vendetta1 said:

No!!! You don't ever do that, there is NO Excuse here ever.

kpowers said:

I'm not saying there is an excuse for this man's actions. IMO there must have been plenty of better options before killing himself and his whole family.

But I think we need to ask why we're so ready to condemn this man for what he did when we've been all too happy to turn a blind idea to corrupt and inhumane government, business, and monetery systems that put people into situations where they'd even consider such a stupid and desperate move. Is there ever an excuse for that?

meow85 said:

NO BUTS, EVER

God, what a complete lack of fortitude this guy had. That was his only option? How selfish to snuff out those young kids' lives over lifestyle.

kpowers said:

you've obviously have never reached the depths of hopelessness and despair. Good for you.

JerseyKRS said:

um, ok.

And might I add, though, that Kaiser Permanente is from the Devil.


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FunkMistress said:

I think he means firing someone and pushing them to suicide

just trying to be positive here

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I fuckin hope so, or maybe I won't pick him up from the airport later! Leave his ass to the Sox fans!

FunkMistress said:[quote]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I fuckin hope so, or maybe I won't pick him up from the airport later! Leave his ass to the Sox fans![/quote]

Now who's being mean!





for you baby

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

I can't wait to see his ass, I hope AAA gets here soon to fix this flat tire!

FunkMistress said:

He wouldn't survive the experience if he tried

That man crazy. SAD story. I feel for em.

LAPD: Dad in family's murder-suicide awash in debt

LOS ANGELES – Awash in debt, behind on his mortgage and recently fired from his job at a hospital, Ervin Lupoe was planning on leaving California. He'd pulled his kids out of their school, packed his sport utility vehicle with snow chains and winter clothing for him and his family and appeared ready for the trip to his brother-in-law's home in Garden City, Kan.

It's not yet known if he was planning on leaving for good in a bid to flee his mounting money problems or if the trip would have only been temporary.

Whatever his intention, Lupoe never got to Kansas.

Instead, police say, he shot his five children and wife to death before turning the gun on himself.

"Something happened in the last 48 hours that made him snap," said Detective David Cortez, the lead investigator in the case. "(He saw) no other way, no other direction."

Investigators found evidence of spiraling financial woes. Lupoe owed the Internal Revenue Service at least $15,000 and a check he wrote the agency for that amount had just bounced.

He also was at least one month behind on a mortgage for his home in Wilmington, near the ports of Los Angeles and Long Beach. Jobs are scarce in the area and the real-estate market is sinking. Lupoe owed about $2,500 and a late fee, Cortez said. He also owed thousands more on a home equity line of credit.

Police found the bodies of Lupoe, his wife and five children Tuesday morning. It appears the family had been killed the evening before and Lupoe shot himself the next day, Cortez said.

Lupoe and his wife Ana had both recently been fired from their jobs at Kaiser Permanente Medical Center West Los Angeles. The two technicians had understated their income on an application for childcare in a bid to get cheaper rates, Cortez said.

Lupoe faxed a bitter, two-page letter to a local TV news station the morning he killed himself, saying a hospital administrator told him he "should not even have bothered to come to work" and "should have blown (his) brains out."

Investigators interviewed the hospital administrator, who said Lupoe's characterization of their conversation was an out-of-context misrepresentation and denied using the words Lupoe said she did.

In his letter, Lupoe went on to suggest it was his wife's idea to end the family members' lives.

"He had one of those victim mentalities," Cortez said. "There is nothing yet that suggests his wife was a willing party."

kpowers said:

You didn't answer my question. I've bolded it for you.

meow85 said:

I did, that's an excuse. He killed children, no pitty for him.

The only wonderful thing about this story is that fucker is dead. Stupid idiot. Goddamn man. Poor kids.

He wasn't even that much in debt either.

GetAwayFromMe said:

Yeah, aside from losing the house, he really didn't have a lot to complain about! Jeesus.

GetAwayFromMe said:

Apparently, he must've thought he was! He'd just bounced a check to the IRS, which meant he was probably going to jail since we all know that the government don't play when you owe them money...he was behind on his mortgage and equity loan payments, so he probably figured he'd be foreclosed/evicted....

reneGade20 said:

Yeah, but sheeeit, I've been in debt before. I wouldn't kill my children over it though. And you know, we don't even HAVE to pay income taxes. It's a voluntary tax!

CarrieLee said:

there was a story here ( melbourne australia) this morn so guy threw a little girl of the bridge ( like the san Fransisco bridge not a little one)

GetAwayFromMe said:

Oh, do trust that I'm in complete agreement with you!! Hell, as much as we need folks, he could've joined the military....would've instantly gotten benefits such as free medical, reduced dental...for his family....an enlistment bonus that he could've put towards his debt...and when he was done with training, he would've gotten family housing on the installation he was assigned to....

I just keep getting this feeling that as time passes, there's gonna be a lot more stuff coming out that will help to explain his motives...