I think she kinda hot

AND she was lying when she said she wasn't on welfare. in today's news: she gets food stamps every month

They should lock that doctor up, I think they did this to gain popularity ,fame and money.

Octuplets Mom On Welfare, Spokesman Confirms
Tuesday, February 10, 2009
ASSOCIATED PRESS

LOS ANGELES — The Southern California mother of octuplets receives $490 a month in food stamps and three of her first six children are disabled and receiving federal assistance, her publicist confirmed Monday evening.

Spokesman Michael Furtney said Suleman did not want to disclose the nature of the disabilities, or the type or sum of the payments.

Furtney confirmed the public assistance payments after two sources told The Los Angeles Times that Suleman was receiving food stamps and federal supplemental security income.

"In her view these are just payments made for people with legitimate needs and are not, in her view, welfare," Furtney said. "She just believes that there are programs for people with needs and she and her children qualify for some of them."

In an interview that aired Monday, Suleman told NBC "Today" show anchor Ann Curry that she does not receive welfare.

Her six other children are under the age of 7. All 14 children were the result of in-vitro fertilization.

Suleman was implanted with embryos at a Beverly Hills fertility clinic run by a well-known — and controversial — specialist who pioneered a method of implantation.


Dr. Michael Kamrava's name emerged Monday as a result of the interview aired Monday with Suleman, who gave birth to eight babies Jan. 26.

Over the past two weeks, the identity of Suleman's fertility doctor has been a source of great mystery because of questions over the ethics of implanting numerous embryos in a woman who already had six children.

Kamrava, 57, would not comment on the issue, but told reporters outside his clinic on Rodeo Drive that he had granted an interview to one of the television networks. When asked to provide more detail, he said, "Watch the news."

Without identifying the doctor, the Medical Board of California said last week it was looking into the Suleman case to see if there was a "violation of the standard of care." The medical board said Monday it has not taken any disciplinary action against Kamrava in the past.

In the NBC interview, Suleman did not identify her doctor by name, but said that she went to the West Coast IVF Clinic in Beverly Hills — of which Kamrava is director — and that all 14 of her children were conceived with help from the same doctor. In 2006, Los Angeles TV station KTLA ran a story on infertility that showed Kamrava treating Suleman and discussing embryo implantation.

Kamrava graduated from the University of Illinois and went to medical school at Case Western Reserve University in Cleveland, according to state records and his Web site.

Some fertility specialists said Kamrava is a controversial figure in the field.

"He's tried some novel techniques and some of those methods have been controversial," said Dr. John Jain, founder of Santa Monica Fertility Specialists.

Jain criticized the decision to implant so many embryos, saying: "I do think that this doctor really stepped outside the guidelines in a very extreme manner, and as such, put both the mother and children at extra high risk of disability and even death."

Dr. Jeffrey Steinberg, a professional acquaintance of Kamrava's, said Kamrava worked to develop an embryo transfer device that allows doctors to implant an embryo — or sometimes sperm with an unfertilized egg — directly into the uterine lining.

"Usually we inject the embryos into the uterus and they float around and attach themselves," Steinberg said. However, Steinberg said there was no evidence the method improved success rates for pregnancy.

It was not immediately known if the technique was used on Suleman.

Suleman said she had six embryos implanted for each of her pregnancies. The octuplets were a surprise result of her last set of six embryos, she said, explaining she had expected twins at most. Two of the embryos evidently divided in the womb.

Medical ethicists have criticized the implanting of so many embryos. National guidelines put the norm at two to three embryos for a woman of Suleman's age, except in extraordinary circumstances.

Kamrava's clinic performed 20 in vitro procedures on women under 35 in 2006, according to the most recent national report compiled by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Of those 20 procedures, four resulted in pregnancies and two in births. One woman delivered twins.

The average number of embryos he transferred per procedure for women under 35 was 3.5, the report said. Fertility doctors often implant more than one embryo to increase the chances that one will take hold.

An in-vitro procedure typically costs between $8,000 and $15,000. Asked on NBC how she was able to afford the treatments, Suleman said she had saved money and used some of the more than $165,000 in disability payments she received after being injured in a 1999 riot at a state mental hospital where she worked.

Dr. Richard Paulson, who heads the fertility program at the University of Southern California, cautioned against rushing to judgment about the fertility treatment in this case because questions remain about the quality of Suleman's eggs and whether there were any extraordinary circumstances that would lead Kamrava to transfer so many embryos.

As for the technique Kamrava pioneered, "those of us who are the scientists in the field do not feel this is a significant improvement," Paulson said. He said some doctors advertise that technique as "a way of making patients feel that they are trying something new."

Suleman, who is 33 and single, told NBC's "Today" show she was "fixated" on having children. Suleman said her doctor "did nothing wrong" and had warned her of possible complications to the pregnancy and risks to the development of the babies.

The octuplets were born nine weeks prematurely but appear relatively healthy. Their names have a Biblical theme: Noah, Jonah, Jeremiah, Josiah, Isaiah, Maliyah, Makai and Nariyah. All share the middle name Angel and the last name Solomon.

On Sunday, Suleman's mother, Angela Suleman, seemed to contradict her daughter's account, telling a Web site the fertility specialist who helped her daughter give birth to the octuplets was not the one who aided in the birth of her first six children.

In an interview with celebrity news Web site RadarOnline.com, Angela Suleman said she and Nadya's father pleaded with her first fertility doctor not to treat their daughter again. She said her daughter went to another doctor.


"I'm really angry about that," Angela Suleman said of the doctor's decision to perform the procedure. "She already has six beautiful children. Why would she do this? I'm struggling to look after her six. We had to put in bunk beds, feed them in shifts and there's children's clothing piled all over the house."

Angela Suleman said Nadya's boyfriend was the biological father of all 14 children, but that she refused to marry him.

"He was in love with her and wanted to marry her," she said. "But Nadya wanted to have children on her own."

The Associated Press contributed to this report.

http://www.foxnews.com/st...69,00.html

NaughtyKitty said:

This woman is fodder for the FOX-News crowd(O'Reilly, Coulter, Limbaugh, Hannity).
[Edited 2/10/09 6:23am]

uPtoWnNY said:

Co-sign
And the more information that comes out on this story, the crazier and more outrageous it gets!

Mom already on food stamps BEFORE having octuplets
By ALAN ZAREMBO, JESSICA GARRISON and KIMI YOSHINO Los Angeles Times
Feb. 10, 2009, 5:17AM

LOS ANGELES — The Beverly Hills doctor whose fertility treatment led to the birth of Nadya Suleman’s octuplets — and her six previous children — has one of the worst success rates of any fertility clinic in the country, according to federal records reviewed by the Los Angeles Times.

Taxpayers are already footing part of the bill for a situation he helped create. Suleman receives $490 a month in food stamps, and three of her first six children are disabled and receiving federal benefits. Moreover, Kaiser Permanente Hospital in suburban Bellflower has asked California’s health plan for the poor to cover the cost for the eight premature infants in its care, according to multiple sources familiar with the case.

Suleman’s publicist, Michael Furtney, confirmed the information about the food stamps and federal supplemental security income after two sources informed the Times of the benefits. Three sources told the Times that Kaiser has requested Medi-Cal reimbursement for care of the octuplets, which is estimated to run into the hundreds of thousands of dollars. Furtney declined to confirm the Medi-Cal coverage and referred the question to Kaiser, which also declined comment.

The disclosures came as information emerged about the doctor who provided Suleman, a 33-year-old single mother, with the in vitro fertilizations that led to all 14 of her children. In an interview on NBC, she identified the clinic as West Coast IVF Clinic, which is run by Michael Kamrava.

According to federal records reviewed by the Times, of the 61 procedures Kamrava conducted in 2006 — the most recent data available — only five resulted in pregnancies and only two of those resulted in births. One of those births was Suleman’s twins.

“These are the worst numbers I’ve ever seen. This is absurdly low,” said Dr. Mark Surrey, another fertility specialist in Beverly Hills.

But in Suleman, Kamrava found a patient who got pregnant and gave birth every time. For seven years, Suleman attempted to get pregnant through artificial insemination and fertility drugs. When she finally tried in vitro fertilization at Kamrava’s clinic, it worked the first time — and each time after that.

Kamrava, 57, has been a proponent of placing newly created embryos in a capsule and cultivating them inside the vagina for a few days before transferring them to the uterus in hopes of achieving a pregnancy. More recently, he has promoted a little-used technique employing a camera to help place embryos in the lining of the uterus. In 2006, he and Suleman appeared in a local television news segment about how the technique could boost the chances that embryos would take.

And on his Web site, he touts his “breakthrough technology that has revolutionized IVF.”

In fact, Kamrava’s clinic has a much lower rate of pregnancies and births than the vast majority of fertility clinics. Suleman’s five previous pregnancies — which resulted in four single births and a set of twins — represents a sizable portion of his success over the past several years.

His history of poor results comes despite Kamrava placing more embryos per procedure than all but 10 of the nation’s 426 fertility clinics for patients under 35. In 2006, he averaged 3.5 embryos per in vitro fertilization treatment, compared with the national average of 2.3.

Other fertility specialists said that placing high numbers of embryos is a common way that poorly performing clinics try to boost their pregnancy rates. But that increases the risk of multiple births, which pose a danger to the woman and her babies.

Dr. Philip McNamee, a fertility specialist in Honolulu, said Kamrava might have figured he had little to worry about when he transferred six embryos to Suleman last year since his success rates were so low and her embryos had been frozen and thawed. Frozen embryos lead to pregnancy less often than fresh ones.

“That is one logical explanation of why he thought in his mind he could do it,” McNamee said.

Still, he and other doctors strongly condemned the decision, especially because Suleman had a history of successful pregnancies.

In her NBC interview, Suleman defended her doctor. She called her treatment “very appropriate,” particularly because of her history of miscarriages and scarred fallopian tubes.

“The most I would have ever anticipated would have been twins,” Suleman said. “It wasn’t twins times four.”

Kamrava declined comment Monday.

This is not the first time he has faced controversy. At least two former employees have sued him, including Shirin Afshar, an office administrator who alleged that Kamrava engaged in insurance and tax fraud. She also said he routinely asked her to participate in medical procedures even though she was not licensed to do so.

The suit said Kamrava required patients to pay their bills in cash, which was then put in an envelope and given to Kamrava’s wife, who “never entered the payment into the computer and never deposited the payment in the bank” so that Kamrava could avoid paying income tax on the money. The clinic kept two sets of books, one for insurance payments and one for cash payments, the lawsuit alleged.

Afshar also claimed that Kamrava’s office defrauded insurance companies by double billing for procedures and by billing companies for unnecessary medication that Kamrava kept and then re-sold to other patients. In addition, the suit claims that Kamrava’s office billed insurance companies for one procedure and then performed another.

The suit appeared to have settled in 1999, shortly before it went to trial.

In another case, Shantal Rajah, an embryologist from England, was awarded more than $300,000 in back pay, attorneys fees and damages after working for Kamrava for less than a month. Court papers show that Rajah and Kamrava did not get along and at one point got into a fight over the proper heating of embryos.

(End optional trim)

Suleman’s case has evoked both fascination and fury by the public and medical community, with many wondering how she will care for 14 children.

Suleman, who lives with her mother in a three-bedroom home, acknowledged in the NBC interview that she was struggling to support her six children before the birth of her octuplets. But she said she knows she will be able to pay their bills, especially after she earns her master’s degree in counseling.

She denied that she was on welfare — a comment her publicist later clarified.

“In Nadya’s view, the money that she gets from the food stamp program ... and the resources disabilities payments she gets for her three children are not welfare,” Furtney said. “They are part of programs designed to help people with need, and she does not see that as welfare.”

Staff writers Garrett Therolf, Andrew Blankstein, Joanna Lin, Victoria Kim, Cara Mia DiMassa and Maloy Moore contributed to this report.

http://www.chron.com/disp...55420.html

At this point, I'm beginning to shift more of the blame for this to the corrupt doctor who implanted her with the embryos. Nadya clearly is mentally ill--and he could have and should have put a stop to this madness. I hope he gets his license revoked and has criminal charges against him.
[Edited 2/10/09 7:28am]

NaughtyKitty said:

Yep. After listening to her speak, it's clear to me the woman's not all there. You mean to tell me some fancy doctor(with more education than us) couldn't figure it out? And yet he still took advantage of her and went through with the procedure? C'mon, that shit is fucked up.

uPtoWnNY said:

$$$$$!!!!

God bless her.
I don't think she sounds crazy at all.

Somebody mumbled something about prostituting the children for 2-4 million $
for 2 interviews, the interviews are to last only an hour each at most. What rubbish! How many Americans prostitute themselves every day, all day, for as long as they're healthy, and for a miniscule fraction of what them kids will be getting (Even divided by 14).

The mother of this gang/bunch/crowd is 1 smart lady!
Working with one's own children is very fulfilling.

So much better than chasing every lousy buck just to be able to pay the rent in a place your not really passionate about.

Rightly said:

ummmm, the birth/incubation/intenzive care and after-care of the eight children she just gave birth to have cost the taxpayers and the state 1.3 million dollars because the mom is receiving medical assistance. and thats just for starters.

personally, although i wish her and her kids well, i would rather not foot the bill for this project. we have better things to apply that amount of money towards, in my opinion. like maybe, feeding and educating children who are already here....

XxAxX said:

I agree with you X

This is what she looked like when she was preggers with the octuplets



Apparently she also now has her own website up and running and is asking for donations

NaughtyKitty said:

That looks gross....and I usually love pregnant bellies. Its just unnatural....she looks like a crazy deformed person

I dont see how anyone would be able to stand much less walk!

NaughtyKitty said:

Gross.

NaughtyKitty said:

This woman is sooo damn tacky. Having kids that she knew well that she could not afford, then having the nerve/audacity to solicit for contributions of money on her website. What makes me even more mad is that some idiots are going to give her money. She's not getting a red cent from me. She seriously needs to get a grip on reality, and fast!
[Edited 2/12/09 11:56am]

psychodelicide said:

Co-sign to that! A snapshot of her website:



What next? Asking President Obama for a bailout?
[Edited 2/12/09 12:05pm]

NaughtyKitty said:

I was just there. It's taking every ounce of strength for me not to leave her a very nasty note. I'm sure she's received plenty of them already.
[Edited 2/12/09 12:05pm]

psychodelicide said:

She is happy to accept visa/mastercard/discover and american express? 'scuse me im logging out/i think i am going to be sick

Fucking hell now I saw her belly anyway!! Who the hell posted that shit?? It was THE nastiest thing I ever saw, I'll never recover.

30peacessilver said:

Me too.