horatio said:

But again, you guys are jumping ship.

Who says that she doesn't have ALL of this figured out and calculated?

I know many people from the south with big families who are doing fine,,,,no negligence from the parents, and no trouble from the older kids.

Harlepolis said:

We're just jaded

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

And you're deranged as ALL hell thats why I didn't mess with you earlier

Harlepolis said:

is she a billionaire or something? she can afford to pay the entire staff of a hospital to neglect other patients needs in order to to care for her newborn's needs for the next 2 months?

she wont get any assistance from religious organizations, charities,tax payer monies ect. that would be better used somewhere else than taking care of her selfish need to pop out a bunch of children.
what about the children themselves, is it fair? Is it fair for the older children?

is it good for the environment all those diapers toys tanks of gas shuttling them to dr.s and chuckie cheese?

Teacher said:

With respect, I don't think it's as black & white as that, Teacher. The patients don't get to self prescribe, the fertility dr would set the dosage, based on the woman's hormone levels and her response to previous treatments, so the fault would be in the hands of the Fertility Practitioner.

All fertility clinics have to report their live birth rates (amongst other statistics) to the governing body (at least they do here in the UK). People who are seeking a fertility clinic can then use this information to help them choose the right one. It sounds to me like they were 'hedging their bets' in order to give them the chance of a birth rate.

Of course it also depends on what their fertility issues were and the treatment that they received - If it were IVF or ICSI treatments then the clinic should be hauled up in front of the governing body for endangering this woman's life. If it were a Chlomid/IUI treatment, then that's a little different as the clinic doesn't really have much control over the amount of embryos created (though scans would have shown how many follicles she had before the ovaries released the eggs - As she had a minimum of 8 they should probably have abandoned the cycle as she would have been close to hyper-stimulation, which in itself is dangerous.

Either way, to me, the clinic were in the wrong here

Sorry, this is just my educated opinion, but I respect what you're saying

horatio said:

I strongly believe that the more kids in a family (like 5-6+) the more each kid suffers in terms of having their individual needs met.

Teacher said:

What makes them a burden on society?

If they could be taken care of financially & medically, then I don't see what the problem is.

You guys act like the earth is a one room shack

JustErin said:

i can see how elsewhere in the world and in different times than these that large families are beneficial. But certainly not here in America at this time.
And certainly not in an artificial manner.

Harlepolis said:

If... IF... and what's the likelihood of them being able to completely independently care for these children? Slim to none.

Teacher said:

And how exactly did you come up with this conclusion IF I may ask? Do you guys know this person or how they support themselves?

Harlepolis said:

she wanted all this kept secret. So you know she's ashamed doin some wrong shit

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Boy, saaaaat your ass down

Harlepolis said:

she wanted all this kept secret. So you know she's ashamed doin some wrong shit

14 kids is fuckin gross and irresponsible for a number of reasons.
I don't care if they shit gold and have all the money in the world to take care of those kids.

I would say to them:

This is not the 1700-1800's (or even early 1900's) when folk needed a brood to plow their farm and shit.

If you got 6 kids and still need more, ADOPT careless fuckers.

The world is ALREADY overcrowded. Thanks shittards!


...shit.
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johnart said:

Teacher said:

And how exactly did you come up with this conclusion IF I may ask? Do you guys know this person or how they support themselves?

Harlepolis said:

ABC news reported that in addition to having six other children, she is a single mother and lives with her parents.

DevotedPuppy said:

NO! This can't be true!

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Are you fuckin kidding me???

Seriously, someone tell me that's not true.

I think it's abusing artificial insemination and fertility drugs - there are so many people who want children and can't even have ONE and these people do it just cause they can. It's next to impossible to give birth to that many without artificial assistance.

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Are you fuckin kidding me???

Seriously, someone tell me that's not true.

Harlepolis said:

ABC news reported that in addition to having six other children, she is a single mother and lives with her parents.

johnart said:

I swear that's what Charlie Gibson said. I just tried to look for more info on the ABC website and Google but don't see anything.

In reporting on "The Early Show" that the mother already has six other children, a CBS reporter who visited the woman's Los Angeles-area home cited two unnamed acquaintances.

One of those acquaintances said that the mother lived with her parents and that two of her other children were twins.

johnart said:

I'll clutch you for non sexual purposes if you clutch me back. I think I might faint

Teacher said:

the problem is, people who use artificial assitance aren't trying to have 5, 6, 7, 8 kids. they're just trying to have 1, usually. it's the nature of fertility assistance that causes multiple births.

14 kids is fuckin gross and irresponsible for a number of reasons.
I don't care if they shit gold and have all the money in the world to take care of those kids.

I would say to them:

This is not the 1700-1800's (or even early 1900's) when folk needed a brood to plow their farm and shit.

If you got 6 kids and still need more, ADOPT careless fuckers.

The world is ALREADY overcrowded. Thanks shittards!


...shit.
[Edited 1/29/09 12:58pm]