Dewrede said:

Yes, it IS their "fault". There's no way in hell there weren't fertility drugs and/or IVF involved here, do you think somebody tied the woman down and forced it on her? Of COURSE it's their "fault".

so ?

is she not allowed to use fertility drugs because others can't have children ?

I agree that 8 kids is just too many, at least for me it would be. But did she really have any control over how many of these babies would develop?

Dewrede said:

Allowed, sure. Should she be a burden on society because she chose to have that many? No.

Like I said before (twice) they should have been protected from this by their health professionals and Artificial Reproduction Therapy Laws. It wasn't the couples' fault if they were failed by lack of control by the 'powers that be'. The HFEA in the UK work hard to ensure that this sort of thing doesnt happen over here.

Having said that I'm pretty sure that they would have been advised to terminate a few of the embryos at an early stage to make the pregnancy viable - but if you'd been trying to get pregnant for such a long time it would be an impossible decision to make to terminate the lives of some of your potential children - it would be akin to having a partial abortion of the babies that you have worked so hard at creating.

Its very easy for people who havent been in this position to make derogatory comments, but if you've ever suffered with infertility you would probably form a very different opinion

Wow. Today I really DID put on my invisibilty suit, didn't I?!

MrsGoodnight said:

I agree with you on the first part, not on the second - they should be thankful for ONE child - by keeping that many they jeopardised the lives of ALL of them, instead of increasing the viability of one or perhaps two. It's no excuse that you haven't been successful before, greed is never good.

MagnificentVoodoo said:

MrsGoodnight said:

I wish they would do the same in the US.
It is great the medical advancements that have been made but there should be stringent guidelines to protect ppl especially unborn children.
Babies born at 1 pound 8 onces needs a lot of medical care to even survive.
I get that some ppl really feel the need to procreate but there needs to be a limit to the extremes at which they are allowed to go to in order to make it happen.

Eight is enough

Teacher said:

Um, my understanding is that most are trying for just one but end up with multiples. Many, many, many pregnancies that were aided by fertility drugs produced one baby pregnancies - but they don't make the news, now do they?

I don't think most families are pushing to have 6 or 4 or even 3 kids at a time. People turn to fertility drugs when they can't have kids on their own and I really do not believe its cases of people doing it 'because they can'.
[Edited 1/27/09 13:17pm]

Like I said in the P&R thread relating to the topic of IVF, I think it is a person's choice to do so. I personally never would consider it for myself considering the risks and money involved.
I think it would be good for the US to adopt stricter guidelines in regards to IVF. My brother in laws wife had it performed 5 times and all paid for by the military. He had a vasectomy during a previous marriage. So the military paid for the vasectomy, reversal and 5 IVF treatments. After the 5th try the wife decided to stop the treatments and she got pregnant on her own, one baby.
Stricter guidelines would not be asking too much, other countries have them.

Let me guess, fertility drugs???

God forbid one should adopt one needy child when they can pump 8 up in you.

JustErin said:

IMO, if you were that easy to get going that you get 8 foetuses on a little dose of whatever fertility drug, then it's doubtful you needed any in the first place. The family nor their doctor will say what they used of course, for that particular reason - it most likely isn't regular treatment that's behind it, and the biggest hint is that it's only ever happened once before.
Also, I still think it's greedy for all the reasons several of us stated further up in this thread, and irresponsible too if they really aimed for multiples like that.

Teacher said:

With respect, I don't think it's as black & white as that, Teacher. The patients don't get to self prescribe, the fertility dr would set the dosage, based on the woman's hormone levels and her response to previous treatments, so the fault would be in the hands of the Fertility Practitioner.

All fertility clinics have to report their live birth rates (amongst other statistics) to the governing body (at least they do here in the UK). People who are seeking a fertility clinic can then use this information to help them choose the right one. It sounds to me like they were 'hedging their bets' in order to give them the chance of a birth rate.

Of course it also depends on what their fertility issues were and the treatment that they received - If it were IVF or ICSI treatments then the clinic should be hauled up in front of the governing body for endangering this woman's life. If it were a Chlomid/IUI treatment, then that's a little different as the clinic doesn't really have much control over the amount of embryos created (though scans would have shown how many follicles she had before the ovaries released the eggs - As she had a minimum of 8 they should probably have abandoned the cycle as she would have been close to hyper-stimulation, which in itself is dangerous.

Either way, to me, the clinic were in the wrong here

Sorry, this is just my educated opinion, but I respect what you're saying

Teacher said:

IMO, I think you should just stick to talking about dogs and not stuff you haven't got a clue about.

IMO, of course.

johnart said:

This woman already has SIX KIDS! If they were fucking around with fertility treatment when they already had a brood on their hands, social services simply needs to take them all from the fucking freaks. Nobody needs 14 goddamn kids and it should be illegal to do invitro shit if you're truly not infertile. Stupid asses. Now if this is a natural occurence I take that all back But the womand didn't want publicity and you have to wonder why.....

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

Oh!

Hahahaha!

JustErin said:

Stupid whore I heard that on the news this morning. The newscaster said get ready for this as she brought up the story and I was ready for her to say this was a natural occurence when she said the woman already has 6 kids. I'm totally with Teacher on this
[Edited 1/29/09 10:46am]

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

It's nowhere NEAR the norm, though.

CarrieLee said:

I don't see what the big deal is, I mean if she can provide for them(and I'm assuming that she can since she wants that many kids) then what the hell

Teacher said:

What makes them a burden on society?

If they could be taken care of financially & medically, then I don't see what the problem is.

You guys act like the earth is a one room shack

SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said:

That is wear stricter guidelines would be useful.I guess the fertility dr and the 40 drs it took to deliver those 8 babies made their money.
Damn..I would have a hard time picking 14 names.
Damn...

Harlepolis said:

she is capable of taking care of 14 children?

horatio said:

I'm not saying IS, I'm saying "IF she's"

And if she's capable of taking care of 14 KIDS(WOOOOO!!! ) then I say go right ahead and fuckin' do it.

People kill me when they give themselves the right to tell others how to live their lives.

Harlepolis said:

when it effect others then i would say they have every right to say something
[Edited 1/29/09 11:27am]

horatio said:

I agree!

But untill then, folks need to keep their OWN judgments to themselves.

Harlepolis said:

Not me. Take them kids from those freaks! I doubt, unless they are millionaires, that they will have the ability. Surely they'll need charity and all kinds of other assistance. I'm very close to hating these people

Harlepolis said:

is she a billionaire or something? she can afford to pay the entire staff of a hospital to neglect other patients needs in order to to care for her newborn's needs for the next 2 months?

she wont get any assistance from religious organizations, charities,tax payer monies ect. that would be better used somewhere else than taking care of her selfish need to pop out a bunch of children.
what about the children themselves, is it fair? Is it fair for the older children?

is it good for the environment all those diapers toys tanks of gas shuttling them to dr.s and chuckie cheese?

horatio said:

But again, you guys are jumping ship.

Who says that she doesn't have ALL of this figured out and calculated?

I know many people from the south with big families who are doing fine,,,,no negligence from the parents, and no trouble from the older kids.