reneGade20 said:

I was watching that shit and noticed their form and technique was REALLY bad which shows that either the coach isn't teaching them the basics OR they are not capable of DOING it. In either case, why are you playing against a contender for last year's STATE championship???

"At the end of his post on the Web site, which identifies him as co-founder of Flight Basketball, Grimes wrote, "So if I lose my job over these statements, I will walk away with my integrity."

Grimes did not teach or work at The Covenant School. He was in his fourth season as girls basketball coach, having built the program from a 2-19 record his first season to a state championship contender last season. Covenant, which plays larger out-of-district schools, is 6-3 this season and undefeated in its Texas Association of Private and Parochial Schools district. It has informed TAPPS headquarters that it has chosen to forfeit the Dallas Academy game."

MuthaFunka said:

I think the other team only had 8 players too if they only had 3 subs. The losers know what their team is made of and are choosing to play against contenders for the state championship. I just think more of the responsibility of this lies with the losing team's school admins if they haven't won a game in almost FIVE years.

Fury said:

As one coach is said to have said, "I'm not running up the score, it's their job to stop us."

In college you do get to schedule cupcakes but generally at the beginning of the season. The reason the NCAA FSB has a rule mandating six wins against Div. I opponents is to make it unpalatable to play cupcakes.
One or two years ago Auburn went undefeated but three of those wins were cupcakes and cost them a shot at playing for a national championship.
Pollsters refused to reward them for using cupcakes to post a perfect season.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...tball_team
The 2004 Auburn Tigers football team compiled a record of 13-0, winning the Southeastern Conference championship and finishing the season ranked #2 in both the Associated Press and ESPN/USA Today polls. Beginning the season ranked #17 in the AP poll and #18 in the ESPN/USA Today poll, the Tigers were denied a berth in the BCS Championship game, due to finishing the regular season ranked #3 in the BCS rankings.

Date Team Location PF PA Result Television Coverage
9/4 Louisiana-Monroe 31 0 W
9/11 at Mississippi State 43 14 W Jefferson Pilot Sports
9/18 LSU Auburn 10 9 W CBS
9/25 The Citadel Auburn 33 3 W
10/2 at Tennessee 34 10 W ESPN
10/9 Louisiana Tech Auburn 52 7 W
10/16 Arkansas Auburn 38 20 W CBS
10/23 Kentucky Auburn 42 10 W
10/30 at Ole Miss 35 14 W ESPN
11/13 Georgia Auburn 24 6 W CBS
11/20 at Alabama 21 13 W CBS
12/4 Tennessee (SEC Champio 38 28 W CBS
1/3/05 Virginia Tech(Sugar Bowl) 16 13 W ABC
417 147 13-0
[Edited 1/26/09 20:03pm]

SCNDLS said:

Now that we agree on - they shouldn't have been playing them in the first place. But again, it was Covenant who had issue with this, not Dallas Academy. Dude got fired for basically being insubordinate and not signing off on the apology. He kinda fucked himself.

MuthaFunka said:

I can't understand why the coach was asked to apologize. Coaches do plenty of that when they lose.

If the school wanted to do so fine, but they shouldn't ask the coach they hired to win, to apologize for doing what they paid him to do.

And I have no idea why this small school was playing a regional powerhouse.
How did they think the game was going to go?

SUPRMAN said:

which brings the whole subject full circle...the guy got fired because he pretty much said to the school (and by default, anyone who had a problem with the result of the game) "fuck y'all....we did what we could...its not our fault they sucked!!"

....not in so many words, but ya get the idea.....

MuthaFunka said:

but she said they're getting CLOSER EVERY YEAR

who wants to date somebody who can't play basketball

see u at Denny's in 2 years

SUPRMAN said:

Nah, they were denied a spot in the championship because of their preseason ranking. They finished the regular season ranked #3 in both polls behind #1 USC and #2 Oklahoma, but they almost surely would've been in the title game if they had started the season ranked above one of those teams.

SUPRMAN said:

If your boss asks you to do something, regardless of how you feel about, and you don't do it, then you put your job in jeapordy. Simple as that.

Fury said:

That's wrong!...HILARIOUS...But wrong!

Fury said:

that is so fucked up....but not as fucked up as me having to explain to my wife that the kids at the losing school weren't like complete Special Olympics kids...just kids with ADD, ADHD, and Dyslexia.....

...she was on a tirade like nothing I've ever seen because she thought it was the full on, "little yellow bus with issued helmets" kids...

...and yes, I've already accepted my place in hell, so no need to pile on!!

perhaps all they needed was.....

A TEEN WOLF!!!!

reneGade20 said:

In this day and age what school or team DOESN'T have kids with ADD and ADHD? It's not that uncommon. They seemed pretty regular to me even the one that almost hit HERSELF in the head with the ball. I'm tellin' ya'll these girls are just baaaaad. I wanna see what their record against OTHER teams has been. It can't be good if they can't even put up TWO points in a game.

SCNDLS said:

My son has ADHD, so you are right on with that...

...but the rest of that shit you are SOOOO wrong for noticing.....cuz I cracked up when I saw her "dee-dee-DEE" moment when the rebound came off the rim...if nothing in my life has ever EVER sealed my fate to be banished to the last ring of hell, that was it!!

I heard on ABC Dateline or something that all of the girls from the losing team have various learning disabilities and most had never played basketball before. I think the school may have only started a basketball team 4 years ago, so obviously the program is not going to be very strong.

I played basketball, softball, volleyball, and ran track at a very small school. My sophmore year our varsity basketball team only had 14 girls on it. We actually played 6 on 6 basketball (as did most of the small towns in my homestate of Iowa) for this very reason. It would be unfair for us to play 5-on-5 against a bigger school that most likely had a better (and physically larger) pool of athletes. All they would have to do is post a tall girl (I'm 5'8" and was the 2nd tallest girl on our team) down low in the lane and she would cream us by shooting lay-ups for 4 quarters. Six-on-six slowed down the tempo of the game and made it a bit fairer, although lopsided wins were still possible.


Also, for softball our conference (or maybe it was statewide) had a rule that if one team was ahead by more than 10 runs by the bottom of 5th (or was it 7th) inning, the game was called. And yes, I saw that happen...to my team as well as to our opponents.

I don't know that he should have been fired, but it was completely uncalled for him to annihilate the other team. He should have put in the second string and made them practice their entire playbook, or like someone else suggested, made them pass the ball x number of times before taking a shot; that could only serve to improve ball handling skills, which is never a bad thing.

reneGade20 said:

I have to console myself by saying, "God KNOWS my heart" cuz I'ma laugh at these poor souls in the video. Lawd, the dribblin' alone was too much comedy. And you know I holla'd when the reporter said they spend HOURS in the gym. How's that possible and after three years on the team you STILL can't dribble???

DevotedPuppy said:

Did you read the coach's entire quote?

reneGade20 said:

Aw dayum! Yeah, a lot of people thought they were "special" when the report first came out.

SCNDLS said:

No, because to me it doesn't matter what his reasoning was--he still did it; and the other part of my post was just me sharing my opinion based on personal experience about whether it's common practice to have rules in place so that scores aren't so one-sided. I'm not really that invested in the whole thing, just felt like commenting.

DevotedPuppy said:

I asked because he DID some of the very things that you said he SHOULD have done to ease up on the other team, so I could tell you didn't read his quote. And both teams apparently had the same number of players, eight.
[Edited 1/26/09 21:20pm]

MuthaFunka said:

so does that NOT make me a bad person..? Cuz I really need my beauty sleep....I AM 42, ya know.....

DevotedPuppy said:

Unfortunately, there was no mercy rule....unlike in softball, where if you go down by 11 runs by the 5th inning the game is called...at least thats the way it was in Louisiana when I was coming up....

hey Joni....

SCNDLS said:

Well obviously he wasn't very sucessful with running the clock down, and didn't keep the second & third string in long enough. Granted, zone is probably easier to score against than man-to-man, but not if the defense has a height advantage. He should have made the girls play different positions (e.g. guards/forwards switch) or suited up the j.v.

reneGade20 said:

I ain't mad at ya, cuz I'm right behind ya!

DevotedPuppy said:

There are only eight players so he played his 3 subs from the first quarter. Were they supposed to stand in place on the court for three quarters and NOT shoot? They didn't defend the other team at all, those girls (the losers) can't SHOOT and have not won a single game in almost FIVE years. That's not the winners' fault, who were contenders for the state championship last year. The losing school has no business playing in the district if they are going to field a team that cannot dribble OR score a basket in PRACTICE. They are the ones doing these girls a disservice and humiliating them. Not the teams they play against IMO. And like I said before the only reason this is making national news is because it's a girls team. If this were a boys team nobody would even care and those boys would be told to suck it up and improve or get off the court.
[Edited 1/26/09 21:31pm]

MuthaFunka said:

SCNDLS said:

But teams don't get to chose which district they are in do they? I thought districts and conferences were assigned.




I agree somewhat. The losing school needs to think about getting a better coach or something b/c he's obviously not doing a good job of improving the team; but at the same time, if the girls want to play, why should they be denied having a team just because they're awful? That's not fair either. My sophomore year our varsity team only won 2 or 3 games. We were AWFUL. Yeah, I hated losing but I wouldn't trade that year for anything because I loved playing basketball. My junior year we kicked ass though.

DevotedPuppy said:

In this case, they are a private school and their participation is voluntary. They don't have to have a team on the district level. And I agree that these girls should be able to play because they obviously enjoy doing so DESPITE not winning in five years (not sure I get that tho ). They need to be playing intramural or at the Y or something. But there should be some minimum requirement for participating on the district level. This school only has 20 girls with 8 of those being on the team. Such a small pool of first time players pretty much ensures that they're gonna lose no matter who they play. If they haven't won a game in FIVE years that means that they've probably lost this bad or close to it before and it's become normal for them.

AlexdeParis said:

But their early schedule contributed to their low ranking right?
They weren't being tested they were just looking good.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w...all_season
The 2004 NCAA Division I-A football season ended with several undefeated teams vying for a spot in the national title game. Many fans were left unsatisfied with the result.

In the 2003 season, no team finished the season unbeaten, and five teams finished the season with one loss. In 2004, the situation became even more complicated, as five teams went without losing, a record in the BCS era. USC of the Pac-10, Oklahoma of the Big 12, Auburn of the SEC, Utah of the MWC, and Boise State of the WAC all finished the regular season undefeated. USC and Oklahoma started the season #1 and #2, but the other three teams were handicapped by starting out of the top 15. Thus USC and OU played for the national championship, while Auburn, Utah, and Boise State had to content themselves with other bowl games.

The Orange Bowl proved a rout with USC defeating Oklahoma 55-19. Auburn played in the Sugar Bowl and beat Virginia Tech, the #8 ranked ACC champion. Utah became the first BCS Buster and beat Pitt, the #21 ranked champion of the Big East, in the Fiesta Bowl. Boise State lost a close, high scoring game in the Liberty Bowl to Louisville, the #10 ranked Conference USA champion.

As with previous seasons, fans of successful teams left out of the BCS were disappointed. Auburn, Utah, and BSU all went unbeaten but were not offered a chance to compete for the championship. Auburn was especially the focus of national media attention on this topic; many thought that since Auburn managed to go undefeated in the traditionally tough SEC, they deserved a shot at the title. Adding to the BCS frustration was the fact that Auburn and Utah, though both in BCS bowl games, would not be able to play each other as a matchup of high ranked unbeatens. Instead, each played weaker teams to somewhat unsatisfying victories.

There was also BCS controversy in the second at-large team selected to play in a BCS bowl game (with Utah being the first). Cal expected to get the invite, but, in a Hollywood twist, Texas, who had been left out of the BCS the year before, got enough voters to change their mind in the final vote to slide into the BCS #4 slot. Texas coach Mack Brown was criticized for publicly politicking voters to put Texas ahead of California. Cal coach Jeff Tedford called for coaches' votes to be made public. Texas went on to beat Michigan in the Rose Bowl, while California was beaten by an unranked Texas Tech team in the Holiday Bowl.

The Associated Press, as a result of two consecutive seasons of BCS controversy, pulled its poll out of the BCS formula. The AP poll was replaced by the Harris poll, and the AP continues to give out its own national championship trophy.

In another first, the LSU Tigers lost to the Iowa Hawkeyes in the Capital One Bowl, becoming the first school to lose a non-BCS bowl a year after winning the BCS National Championship Game.

MuthaFunka said:

True, but not what I was arguing.