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PrintableVery impressed with the proper tone of that letter. I wouldn't have been so civil  You have some fucking control freaks living above you and it's lucky I'm not their neighbor cuz I would have slit their throats long ago I hope they get their asses kicked and if you are kicked out I will even help pay for your legal defense to sue the fuck out of your landlords 
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GetAwayFromMe said: Well Erin, this is a sticky one, and an issue that I do not ever look forward to dealing with. Your landlord, unfortunately, is correct in saying that there is only so much he/she can do. The noise ordinance is in effect from 10pm to 8am or 9am, depending on your local laws. Look them up.
You are smart in documenting things in writing, but I would leave out all of the extra "improvements" you've done, as they are irrelevant to the issue. (Sorry, not trying to be mean). You have every right to quiet enjoyment during the daytime hours, as do your neighbors, but after 10pm, keep it down. As far as I know, there is nothing a landlord can do about a child, as they are protected under Fair Housing, although like I said, look at your local laws, I keep forgetting you live in Canada. A true noise ordinance violation has to be specific and continuous. And for the people who think that the landlords just don't care, this is not always true. There is just so much we can do when residents fight with each other. What they are doing needs to be documented every single time. You could possibly get them for harassment after a certain number of unneccesary complaints. Perhaps the landlord can move these people to another unit? I always tell residents that they will be dealing with some level of apartment noise. I also tell them that it is unrealistic to think there will be no noise. I've even gone so far as to tell some of them to buy their own home if they want to establish their own rules. If they continue to harass you, you have no choice but to call the police. Maybe that will stop them? If not, keep documenting, don't do anything stupid, and maybe you can convince the landlord to give them notice for being belligerent tenants. I brought up the improvements because he asked me to paint when I moved in and then he would reimburse. I was showing him that I was being super nice about him not holding up his end of the bargain. I brought up the maintenance because this is something that he is supposed to be doing but doesn't so, I have no choice – I do it. I was reminding him that I have been nothing but a model tenant (and some) since I moved in – long before they did, btw. As for the keep it down after 10pm - it's actually in effect from 11pm - 7am but that said, I do. But talking is not allowed? Talking?? That's all that was happening last night. And the thing is. I was in my living room and so were they so it’s highly likely that they were just up, and could hear a soft mummer coming from downstairs if they had everything turned off.
I've looked up my local by-law on noise. I'm not violating anything. In fact, by banging on my ceiling - they are violating it. It's not like me to do anything stupid in situations like this. I'll never stoop to the low levels of some others. I'm super adamant about things like that. | |
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JerseyKRS said: 
what a drag. No way of finding a house for rent there? FUCK. THAT. NOGODDAMNBODY IS DRIVING ME FROM MY HOME
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johnart said: JustErin said: The only thing I could do is print a copy of my email and tape it to their door. It's not likely that they have a computer. Remember, they are older, miserable looking, wear the same wife beater and pants EVERY SINGLE fucking day type of people.
Seriously, I can’t stress enough that they are miserable people, I've never seen them smile once. They will not be embarrassed about their banging because that's just the type of people they are. I wonder what brought them to this unit. If they lived in a house and have no idea what renting is really like, or if they were kicked out/driven out by other landlords/tenants for this kind of complaining. Who knows. They only good thing about this is that on several occasions I’ve had witnesses to see what I have to deal with. I think my friends thought I was exaggerating or was actually being loud…but now they’ve seen for themselves that this is not the case. Wouldn't it cross the line into harassment at some point? And wouldn't you maybe be able to turn the tables on them at said point? Yup, if it keeps up I will be calling the police. I hate to do that and feel like it's such a stupid call to make but I need to show these people that what they are doing is ridiculous. | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: JerseyKRS said:
what a drag. No way of finding a house for rent there? FUCK. THAT. NOGODDAMNBODY IS DRIVING ME FROM MY HOME
Don't consider this Erin! Wait them out! Like I said. Moving is not an option...unless I'm buying a house. And I am 99.9% confident that my landlord will not try to kick me out. He actually really, really likes me. | |
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Damn good letter.
I would contact a lawyer... you shouldn't have to put up with that especially with a 3 year old.. they should know better. 
missing "contact" edit  [Edited 1/23/09 11:19am]  I have a firm grip on reality...Maybe just not this reality   |
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JustErin said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: FUCK. THAT. NOGODDAMNBODY IS DRIVING ME FROM MY HOME
Don't consider this Erin! Wait them out! Like I said. Moving is not an option...unless I'm buying a house. And I am 99.9% confident that my landlord will not try to kick me out. He actually really, really likes me. Is that because he tasted your crappy lube?
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: JustErin said: Like I said. Moving is not an option...unless I'm buying a house. And I am 99.9% confident that my landlord will not try to kick me out. He actually really, really likes me. Is that because he tasted your crappy lube?
No, fuck no. | |
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definately a step in the right direction,and handled well,as written in your letter...
i lived in an upstairs apt once where the downstairs neighbors were always complaining..and didn't really speak english.. they kept sending their daughter,i think she was 12, up to ask us to stop _____fill in the blank.. and one time she came up and asked us to 'stop walking on the floor because it was shaking the ceiling fan' at her parents request!! they sent their child to complain... 
space edit  [Edited 1/23/09 11:36am]  'why y'all trying to say goodbye? I didn't go anywhere, I'm right here, im all around you,always..'
in a line from my dream, I heard a voice and saw a silhouette in a chair.. | |
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It sounds like your landlord doesn't follow through with things. He is not going to be of any help to you from what you posted. I think you should call the police the next time the neighbors harass you.
I lived in an apartment for 42 years, finally moved into a house and I'm very happy with it now and it's quiet. We had terrible neighbors that would keep the television on until 5 pm in the bedroom so it would keep me up as the volume would come up into my room. They were very dysfunctional screaming and yelling at each other all the time. They moved out and then a father with two sons moved in and the yelling and cursing went on and on and on. Wresting inside was a common thing with bodies slamming into the walls, and heavy things being thrown down all the time. The landlord never did anything so we had to put up with it. It's unfortunate but that's how people are. It sounds as if you are not making any excess noise, just living regularly. | |
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I want to visit you and rain my drama queenness all over them. I'd be yelling and criticizing you so loudly for being such a loud slut that they would feel sorry for you and be your friend!
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I want to visit you and rain my drama queenness all over them. I'd be yelling and criticizing you so loudly for being such a loud slut that they would feel sorry for you and be your friend!
I hate your neighbors for you Other than wishing death on them both, I'm not going to say a word or do anything to them. I fucking hate this situation, though. It shouldn't bother me but it really does. | |
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JustErin said: SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: I want to visit you and rain my drama queenness all over them. I'd be yelling and criticizing you so loudly for being such a loud slut that they would feel sorry for you and be your friend!
I hate your neighbors for you Other than wishing death on them both, I'm not going to say a word or do anything to them. I fucking hate this situation, though. It shouldn't bother me but it really does. It's really a horrible feeling. I remember I would hear my upstairs neighbors car pull up and I would instantly get upset thinking "here we go again". Just ignore them and maybe they'll just stop. Ugh I feel for you.  | |
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Its a well written letter ( maybe you should erase the sex part, but anyway)
But i dont think that the landlord will do anything about it if you just write him a letter. The best thing you can do is talk to him person to person if possible. If the landlord doesnt take care of the problem I guess you have to talk to those who owne the building ( if its not your landlord there is) [Edited 1/23/09 13:37pm] The Doctor will see you now | |
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CarrieLee said: JustErin said: Other than wishing death on them both, I'm not going to say a word or do anything to them. I fucking hate this situation, though. It shouldn't bother me but it really does. It's really a horrible feeling. I remember I would hear my upstairs neighbors car pull up and I would instantly get upset thinking "here we go again". Just ignore them and maybe they'll just stop. Ugh I feel for you. Ya, man. It totally sucks. I'm just not at ease at home anymore. I'm just waiting for them to complain over anything and everything I do. I shouldn't have to live that way. Actually, last week I was shoveling my driveway and doing their side when my next door neighbour opens his front door and starts yelling at me that I am making the snow bank too high on his side - that it would block his view as he backed his car out. I was like, "Are you fucking kidding me??? Where the hell am I supposed to put it?? Are you gonna lend me your magical make snow disappear machine?" And the best part was he had just shoveled a huge bank on his side. The old people in my neighbourhood are just miserable.  | |
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DrJekyll said: Its a well written letter ( maybe you should erase the sex part, but anyway)
But i dont think that the landlord will do anything about it if you just write him a letter. The best thing you can do is talk to him person to person if possible. If the landlord doesnt take care of the problem I guess you have to talk to those who owne the building ( if its not your landlord there is) [Edited 1/23/09 13:37pm] No way man. They bang during sex so I'm making them face that this is what they do. My landlord owns the building and he doens't live in the province so a face to face is hard to do. I'm going to see him in the next week or so though. We actually have a very good relationship. | |
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You are better than me because about the 5th time I heard them banging I would have yelled "Go fuck yourself! Did you hear that?!" Shake it til ya make it  | |
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JuliePurplehead said: You are better than me because about the 5th time I heard them banging I would have yelled "Go fuck yourself! Did you hear that?!"
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JustErin said: The only thing I could do is print a copy of my email and tape it to their door. It's not likely that they have a computer. Remember, they are older, miserable looking, wear the same wife beater and pants EVERY SINGLE fucking day type of people.
Seriously, I can’t stress enough that they are miserable people, I've never seen them smile once. They will not be embarrassed about their banging because that's just the type of people they are. I wonder what brought them to this unit. If they lived in a house and have no idea what renting is really like, or if they were kicked out/driven out by other landlords/tenants for this kind of complaining. Who knows. They only good thing about this is that on several occasions I’ve had witnesses to see what I have to deal with. I think my friends thought I was exaggerating or was actually being loud…but now they’ve seen for themselves that this is not the case. wow! this sounds just like the old people that live under me in our apt.!!! they complain all the time about stupid things, and even things that we don't even do. i really feel for you, i know what you're going through!  | |
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Very well written letter, and no you are definitely not in the wrong in any way! Your neighbor sounds like an asshole who should be reported and dealt with (which is what you are doing). I feel for you, because the lady who lives below me is an asshole too. I was walking around in my room (which is directly above my neighbor's) one night, when all of a sudden I heard several loud "BANG!"s on the ceiling.  The bitch downstairs, apparently, did not like it because I was walking around in my room (which I have every right to do, since I live there too). Well, I wasn't having it, so I walked over my register, and banged right back at her, just as loud. She has never tried to pull that stunt again. [Edited 1/23/09 16:22pm] RIP, mom. I will forever miss and love you. | |
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That reminds of something that happened to my friends a few years ago. They own their own graphic design company and were working quietly at home one hot, summer night. They had their windows open, the ceiling fan on (medium speed?), the radio on low, and were typing on their computers when the NYPD knocked on their door. They let the police in to look around and the police were like  and asked if there was anyone else in their apartment, or had their been anyone else there that night. My friends said no, it was just them and the two cats.
Evidently their crazy upstairs neighbor had called the police to complain about all the loud noise coming from their apartment. The police were all and left.
I can understand complaining if it's 3am on a weeknight and the neighbors have throbbing techno music emanating from their apartment, but when you live in multi-unit housing -- or an urban area -- there is a certain amount of noise. My upstairs neighbor is an obnoxiously loud walker. I nicknamed her Elephantina, it sounds like a herd of elephants are walking above me whenever she's home. And she is constantly dropping shit, moving furniture around, or vacuuming hardwood floors, too. I have lived here just over a year and never once complained, only because I feel that it would be weird to go upstairs and say, "Hey you're walking really loudly, can you please keep it down?" I *wish* she would play loud music or tv or something so I *could* tell her to STFU. People think I am exaggerating until they come over and hear it for themselves. And it's CONSTANT noise when she's home. I'm like, "Doesn't she ever sit down - to eat or watch TV or something?" | |
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That situation really sucks.
I was in apartments for a long while and you have to give people with kids special considerations (foul language, smoking, drinking, and puting up with the running and stuff) Kids are kids you know. Being passive about it take a lot of patience and being annoying take a lot of energy. Most towns have anti noise by laws that start around 9 pm.print that up and post on there door. | |
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I can't even have sex without them slamming away for God's sake. It's ridiculous.
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RodeoSchro said: I can't even have sex without them slamming away for God's sake. It's ridiculous.
LOL, I couldn't get past that sentence. How gorgeous to feel free enough to write that to your landlord 2010: Healing the Wounds of the Past.... http://prince.org/msg/8/325740 | |
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JustErin said: His response:
Hey Erin, I am sorry you are going through this. I will talk to them again. I do want both of you to be happy. I know what its like to live in each unit and you hear a little but it was never this bad. I will do what I can and assure that I will be fair in this, but there is only so much I can do. Keep me posted if it gets better, worse or the same. Thanks Is it possible that there are no isolation sheets under the wooden floors in their unit? | |
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: RodeoSchro said: I can't even have sex without them slamming away for God's sake. It's ridiculous.
LOL, I couldn't get past that sentence. How gorgeous to feel free enough to write that to your landlord I don't know. It sounds like sex is like an afterthought. "I can't do this, I can't do that, I can't even do something as insignificant as sex!!!!" Me, I'd have put sex at the top of the list! | |
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$900/month!?!? Screw noise! You can't get an apartment without chalk outlines, razor wire and a few poltergeists for THAT price in Toronto! If your neighbors split, put in a good word for me!
I think you've been smart here, Erin. Even if your landlord does nothing -- and I trust he'll at least speak to your neighbors -- you've put your concern in writing. Questions: Are they your only neighbors, or are there others in your building? Might the others corroborate your complaints and vouch for your good behavior? Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.” | |
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 I feel for you. Well, you've made your complaint officially known now. Sounds like you get on with your landlord so no doubt he'll say something, but somehow I doubt things will change much (maybe just in the short-term?) so I'd say wait and see for a couple of weeks, and if they continue then call the police. There's no point wasting too much time over this just waiting as you're not doing anything wrong and this is affecting your life (and your boy's). Just go to the police and try to get something done. I can't see how you've done anything wrong and you've been fair and let your feelings be known already so it wouldn't be unreasonable at this point. | |
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I'd take a broom handle with a pan attached to it and band their azzes up every chance i got...but then, thats just me. THE B EST BE YOURSELF AS LONG AS YOUR SELF ISNT A DYCK[/r]
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SupaFunkyOrgangrinderSexy said: RodeoSchro said: I can't even have sex without them slamming away for God's sake. It's ridiculous.
LOL, I couldn't get past that sentence. How gorgeous to feel free enough to write that to your landlord I didn't really think saying that was a big deal. It's true. | |
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