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Reply #30 posted 01/19/09 2:59pm

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ZombieKitten said:

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How much is white space these days?

lol
I remember my boss and I going through applications, and pretty much the ones that did something nice, had excellent typography, good paper etc, were the ones with some spark. Which you have to have as a graphic designer, since presentation IS everything biggrin (shiny glint off white teeth)


You must have worked with some self-centred assholes lol
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Reply #31 posted 01/19/09 3:04pm

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PREDOMINANT said:

ZombieKitten said:


lol
I remember my boss and I going through applications, and pretty much the ones that did something nice, had excellent typography, good paper etc, were the ones with some spark. Which you have to have as a graphic designer, since presentation IS everything biggrin (shiny glint off white teeth)


You must have worked with some self-centred assholes lol

hmmm
that's a pretty strong statement.

it's simply an industry with it's own rules.
if you can't put together a nice resume, how can you do the job?
you know what we do, right? we make people look professional, we communicate their message and "brand". We have to be able to present ourselves too.
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Reply #32 posted 01/19/09 3:11pm

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You should do a cover letter that is general enough so you can change only one paragraph to tailor it to any resume you send.

You want a paragraph that reviews you overall qualifications and sums up your resume in three or four sentences. Hard to do but a lot of people won't and again this saves the reader time who can see that they want to speak with you further or that you meet their initial qualifications.

I included salary history and references at the end of my cover letter. It saves them from a follow up contact asking for it, which for someone busy or lazy, it should be easier to at least give me an interview.

I also make sure it's less than a page.

Also remember what a resume is for, to get you a job interview. A good cover letter should get your resume in the interview stack.
[Edited 1/19/09 12:55pm]


Not sure these days about a cover letter. Everything is electronic, so cover letters sort of waste time. Also when applying online you only get one upload.

I agree that a paragraph "summary" is a good idea. I have replaced my objective with a summary.

I never give salary information (either history or expectation) unless asked for. It tends to be more of a deal breaker than a maker. I want my employer to hire me for my merits not my bottom line. I think in an interview is where the salary question should come up from either side of the table.


I also don't include references as it takes up space. I put "References available upon request" There is no reason to give out that information unless you are in the door and interviewing. I always bring a copy with me, but never include it up front.


My response isn't that it excludes me or I can narrowly tailor my cover letter.
It doesn't stop me from getting interviews. I have been told after interviews that I lost out to a cheaper candidate, but that still would've been the case.
I'll always reject a job where I can win it by undercutting another candidate.
I'd rather find a better job.
It's worked for me.

No there is no reason to share it or references but for my present job, I applied for the position online with a resume and cover letter. I was hired the day I interviewed. I was the only candidate they chose to interview.
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Reply #33 posted 01/19/09 3:16pm

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ZombieKitten said:

PREDOMINANT said:



You must have worked with some self-centred assholes lol

hmmm
that's a pretty strong statement.

it's simply an industry with it's own rules.
if you can't put together a nice resume, how can you do the job?
you know what we do, right? we make people look professional, we communicate their message and "brand". We have to be able to present ourselves too.


It wasn't meant to be nasty but how can you know if a person is the right person to work with you (not just that they can do the job) if all you are judging them on is presentation alone. I was implying that if you employ people on their ability to do a very specific job only, you are bound to employ a few arseholes (who rightly/or wrongly think that presentation is EVERYTHING).
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Reply #34 posted 01/19/09 3:27pm

ZombieKitten

PREDOMINANT said:

ZombieKitten said:


hmmm
that's a pretty strong statement.

it's simply an industry with it's own rules.
if you can't put together a nice resume, how can you do the job?
you know what we do, right? we make people look professional, we communicate their message and "brand". We have to be able to present ourselves too.


It wasn't meant to be nasty but how can you know if a person is the right person to work with you (not just that they can do the job) if all you are judging them on is presentation alone. I was implying that if you employ people on their ability to do a very specific job only, you are bound to employ a few arseholes (who rightly/or wrongly think that presentation is EVERYTHING).

I realise that lol
if their creds matched the job, then they got an interview - but if their folio was not up to scratch, doesn't matter how nice they were, what great team players they were - if they can't do the work, they don't get the job.

Steve, I am only speaking for my industry and perhaps a few other creative industries where this is relevant. What you are saying is right for all other jobs, but doesn't apply to this one.
If I saw a resume of a graphic designer, that had no design sense, I would be like confuse why don't they use the resume to give a good first impression - here is a great opportunity to give a taste of their abilities and style.

and WHO can tell from a resume if someone is an arsehole or not lol that's what the interview is for razz
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Reply #35 posted 01/19/09 3:32pm

Dayclear

Use the resume wizard in 'word'.
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Reply #36 posted 01/19/09 4:04pm

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MsMisha319 said:

I think formatting is everything. Play around with different resume formats and see which receives the most responses. Also, I would suggest leaving educational info off, if you have more relevant job info to include. No need in including the fact that you have a Bachelor's AND a high school diploma rolleyes They can assume that you ATLEAST have that or a GED.

Also, if you are looking for a position as an Engineer or whatever, don't add the "waitress" gig on you resume. They don't need to know that wink


Oh, and have great "references upon request"


Smooches;)
[Edited 1/19/09 14:31pm]

so no high school diploma and associates on the resume?
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Reply #37 posted 01/19/09 4:09pm

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ZombieKitten said:

PREDOMINANT said:



It wasn't meant to be nasty but how can you know if a person is the right person to work with you (not just that they can do the job) if all you are judging them on is presentation alone. I was implying that if you employ people on their ability to do a very specific job only, you are bound to employ a few arseholes (who rightly/or wrongly think that presentation is EVERYTHING).

I realise that lol
if their creds matched the job, then they got an interview - but if their folio was not up to scratch, doesn't matter how nice they were, what great team players they were - if they can't do the work, they don't get the job.

Steve, I am only speaking for my industry and perhaps a few other creative industries where this is relevant. What you are saying is right for all other jobs, but doesn't apply to this one.
If I saw a resume of a graphic designer, that had no design sense, I would be like confuse why don't they use the resume to give a good first impression - here is a great opportunity to give a taste of their abilities and style.

and WHO can tell from a resume if someone is an arsehole or not lol that's what the interview is for razz


In that case, I bet you interviewed some self-centred arseholes then.

I am way out of my workplace comfort zone but isn't what you are describing a protfolio, wouldn't that acompany an resume?
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Reply #38 posted 01/19/09 4:14pm

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PREDOMINANT said:

ZombieKitten said:


I realise that lol
if their creds matched the job, then they got an interview - but if their folio was not up to scratch, doesn't matter how nice they were, what great team players they were - if they can't do the work, they don't get the job.

Steve, I am only speaking for my industry and perhaps a few other creative industries where this is relevant. What you are saying is right for all other jobs, but doesn't apply to this one.
If I saw a resume of a graphic designer, that had no design sense, I would be like confuse why don't they use the resume to give a good first impression - here is a great opportunity to give a taste of their abilities and style.

and WHO can tell from a resume if someone is an arsehole or not lol that's what the interview is for razz


In that case, I bet you interviewed some self-centred arseholes then.

I am way out of my workplace comfort zone but isn't what you are describing a protfolio, wouldn't that acompany an resume?

yes you are lol
these days it would be online probably!
back in the day it was a big black folder with plastic pocket inserts showcasing work, which you showed during the interview.
I wouldn't think there were more arseholes in my industry than yours.
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Reply #39 posted 01/19/09 4:15pm

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peacenlovealways said:

MsMisha319 said:

I think formatting is everything. Play around with different resume formats and see which receives the most responses. Also, I would suggest leaving educational info off, if you have more relevant job info to include. No need in including the fact that you have a Bachelor's AND a high school diploma rolleyes They can assume that you ATLEAST have that or a GED.

Also, if you are looking for a position as an Engineer or whatever, don't add the "waitress" gig on you resume. They don't need to know that wink


Oh, and have great "references upon request"


Smooches;)
[Edited 1/19/09 14:31pm]

so no high school diploma and associates on the resume?




Sure, the associate's , but not the high school diploma. If you have a college degree, one can assume you have a diploma or ged. So what's the point of including that? You can use that space to add more information about your skills or something. And if you have relevant training such as completion of a secretary training program, and you are applying to become a secretary, then it makes sense to include that.

Smooches;)
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Reply #40 posted 01/19/09 4:18pm

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ZombieKitten said:

PREDOMINANT said:



In that case, I bet you interviewed some self-centred arseholes then.

I am way out of my workplace comfort zone but isn't what you are describing a protfolio, wouldn't that acompany an resume?

yes you are lol
these days it would be online probably!
back in the day it was a big black folder with plastic pocket inserts showcasing work, which you showed during the interview.
I wouldn't think there were more arseholes in my industry than yours.


I think I will stick to geeks. I just posted a job ad too, so I have to go through the whole process over the next few weeks. I hate interviewing. I like to short list as few as possible so I have less people to phone and disapoint. Hence, an all singing and dancing (yet concise) CV.
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Reply #41 posted 01/19/09 4:22pm

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PREDOMINANT said:

ZombieKitten said:


yes you are lol
these days it would be online probably!
back in the day it was a big black folder with plastic pocket inserts showcasing work, which you showed during the interview.
I wouldn't think there were more arseholes in my industry than yours.


I think I will stick to geeks. I just posted a job ad too, so I have to go through the whole process over the next few weeks. I hate interviewing. I like to short list as few as possible so I have less people to phone and disapoint. Hence, an all singing and dancing (yet concise) CV.


comfort
blechh
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Reply #42 posted 01/19/09 4:27pm

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ZombieKitten said:

PREDOMINANT said:



I think I will stick to geeks. I just posted a job ad too, so I have to go through the whole process over the next few weeks. I hate interviewing. I like to short list as few as possible so I have less people to phone and disapoint. Hence, an all singing and dancing (yet concise) CV.


comfort
blechh


Quite
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Reply #43 posted 01/19/09 5:54pm

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PREDOMINANT said:

ZombieKitten said:


yes you are lol
these days it would be online probably!
back in the day it was a big black folder with plastic pocket inserts showcasing work, which you showed during the interview.
I wouldn't think there were more arseholes in my industry than yours.


I think I will stick to geeks. I just posted a job ad too, so I have to go through the whole process over the next few weeks. I hate interviewing. I like to short list as few as possible so I have less people to phone and disapoint. Hence, an all singing and dancing (yet concise) CV.



That's why I like to make it easy for you to see my cover letter, know I'm qualified, offer salary history (which is typically asked for with resume submission in my field) and references to make it painless to offer me an interview.
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Reply #44 posted 01/20/09 9:26am

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ZombieKitten said:

if you are a graphic designer, your resume needs to be pretty goddamn stylish. I bound mine like a square book. I got 4 jobs with it sending it out to places (who weren't seeking any new employees) within 5km of my house, and I only needed one job! eek

Graphic design is a different type of job. I know people that have created baseball cards, dvds, cds, etc. and have gotten jobs based on their creativity.
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Reply #45 posted 01/20/09 1:06pm

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Try looking at other job postings that are comparable to the one you're applying for. You might even just want to play around on Google and look for other people's resumes that are in the same field as you, to see how they wrote theirs. It can give you some inspiration on how to structure your resume, and what specific skills you should hit on.

As for the cover letter, I usually try and make it as custom as possible. I look at the job posting and try and take a few key elements from it and address them in the cover letter. Same thing goes for the "Objectives" or "Summary" area at the top of the resume (if you decide to include one).
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Reply #46 posted 01/20/09 1:47pm

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just make sure you use a font that's easy to read & a layout that's not too complicated... & check your spelling/tense!
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Reply #47 posted 01/20/09 3:10pm

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great thread thumbs up!

i was going to start one my self
seems that i was busy doing something close to nothing, but different than the day before music beret
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Reply #48 posted 01/20/09 3:26pm

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daPrettyman said:

ZombieKitten said:

if you are a graphic designer, your resume needs to be pretty goddamn stylish. I bound mine like a square book. I got 4 jobs with it sending it out to places (who weren't seeking any new employees) within 5km of my house, and I only needed one job! eek

Graphic design is a different type of job. I know people that have created baseball cards, dvds, cds, etc. and have gotten jobs based on their creativity.

what I keep saying nod
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Reply #49 posted 01/21/09 4:03pm

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If I worked for a temp agency what do I put in the job title....contract employee/worker temp????
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Reply #50 posted 01/21/09 10:42pm

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Like one of my old college professors told me, "less is more", "when in doubt, leave it out"..

And for goodness sake, make sure there are no spelling errors. You wouldn't believe some of the shit resumes(and presentations) me & my co-workers saw when looking for new graphic designers. WTF is going on at some of these schools?
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Reply #51 posted 01/22/09 2:53pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

Like one of my old college professors told me, "less is more", "when in doubt, leave it out"..

And for goodness sake, make sure there are no spelling errors. You wouldn't believe some of the shit resumes(and presentations) me & my co-workers saw when looking for new graphic designers. WTF is going on at some of these schools?


liaison is a tricky one!
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Reply #52 posted 01/22/09 4:40pm

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ZombieKitten said:

uPtoWnNY said:

Like one of my old college professors told me, "less is more", "when in doubt, leave it out"..

And for goodness sake, make sure there are no spelling errors. You wouldn't believe some of the shit resumes(and presentations) me & my co-workers saw when looking for new graphic designers. WTF is going on at some of these schools?


liaison is a tricky one!



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Reply #53 posted 01/24/09 6:58am

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Can you put (Temp to hire) next to comapny name if you were a temp then hired.



ex: 2/1998- 2/2012 Company Name ( Temp to Hire)
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Reply #54 posted 01/24/09 10:55am

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GetAwayFromMe said:

Try to fit it on one page. And don't forget a standard cover letter to use as well.


I find it best to target the cover letter to position. Try to use the same terms used in the ad.
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Reply #55 posted 01/26/09 6:51pm

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uPtoWnNY said:

Like one of my old college professors told me, "less is more", "when in doubt, leave it out"..

And for goodness sake, make sure there are no spelling errors. You wouldn't believe some of the shit resumes(and presentations) me & my co-workers saw when looking for new graphic designers. WTF is going on at some of these schools?


Would "I do GREAT work" suffice?

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