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Thread started 01/15/09 8:35am

Graycap23

Dallas thinking of releasing T.O.?

Sources: Dallas may release Owens


Improving locker room chemistry will be the highest priority for the Dallas Cowboys this offseason and that will force serious discussions between Wade Phillips' coaching staff and owner Jerry Jones about whether to release controversial wide receiver Terrell Owens, according to team and league sources.


"I think we all know that chemistry is the problem with this team more than the schemes or anything else," a Cowboys source said. "Are we going to continue to allow talent to outweigh everything else in the decisions we make with players and putting the roster together? We're like the Redskins used to be when they signed every player they wanted. There's more to it than talent. It has to be more about the team.


"The big one [Owens] didn't get discussed yet, but I'm sure it will and real hard."



The Cowboys released twice-suspended cornerback Pacman Jones last week and Tank Johnson is expected to depart through free agency. Both decisions are at least partly related to the renewed emphasis on creating a different atmosphere in the locker room. The Cowboys began their ill-fated 2008 season with three players on the roster who had been suspended by the league or their previous teams -- Jones, Johnson and Owens.

At least two sources believe that vice president Stephen Jones will attempt to convince his father that Owens should be finished with the Cowboys. But Jerry Jones just last year invested a $12 million signing bonus in Owens, which means there would be salary-cap fallout. In fact, Jerry Jones has suggested that there might be enough damage that the team would find it difficult to sign NFL sack leader DeMarcus Ware to a new contract.



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"I think some of people want to just cut our losses and get rid of all those guys … T.O., Tank, Pacman,'' another Cowboys source said. "But I really think Jerry likes the thrill of trying to make it all work."

The discussions involving Owens have not yet been formally initiated and probably will not occur until the Cowboys are more certain of the composition of their coaching staff.

Offensive coordinator Jason Garrett's candidacy for at least two NFL head-coaching positions could influence the Owens debate. Garrett met with the St. Louis Rams on Wednesday after interviewing last week with the Detroit Lions.


Mosley: T.O. Gone?

Cowboys wide receiver Terrell Owens may have worn out his welcome in Big D. Team chemistry might take precedent over salary cap, Matt Mosley writes, Blog.

• Blog network: NFL Nation

At the moment, Jones has insisted that Phillips will return, but he might have to reconsider if Garrett secures another opportunity. There are people within the Cowboys' organization who do not believe that Garrett would turn down another job unless Jones was willing to promote him to head coach in Dallas and purge Owens from the roster.

Not only does Owens have relationship issues with quarterback Tony Romo and tight end Jason Witten, but the controversial receiver consistently criticized Garrett's play calling and his offensive schemes to the point that sources say the offensive coordinator does not believe they can coexist.

The potential of the Cowboys losing Garrett to another team could accelerate the timetable for a decision about Owens. They had expected not to face a deadline until his $3 million roster bonus is due June 3. But that changes if Garrett finds himself in a position to leave the Cowboys and makes Owens' departure a condition of his remaining.

"I think Jerry would have to think about it, but I believe he'd let Jason leave,'' said one team source, believing Jones would prefer to be relieved of his remaining $6 million obligation to Garrett.

Regardless, Owens could still be jettisoned. His detractors can argue their belief that Owens, 35, is a poor route runner with inconsistent hands and generally a descending player who seldom accepts responsibility for his own shortcomings. There is fear internally that he will become more volatile if his performance continues to deteriorate -- and that he may feel more empowered if he perceives that his presence forced Garrett to depart.


Of particular concern is the apparent negative influence Owens has had on teammates such as Roy Williams and Patrick Crayton and even running back Marion Barber.

"You have to be worried about his influence over there, and I think we'd get some of those players back over to our side if he was gone,'' another source said. "I think we have to decide how detrimental he is to Witten and Romo.''

While the productivity of Garrett's offense plunged and quarterback Romo appeared to regress in his second full season as the starting quarterback, Jerry Jones apparently still covets his young offensive coordinator. The perception within the Cowboys' coaching and executive offices is that the team's demise was more the result of poor locker room chemistry and a serious leadership void than it was a failure of Garrett's system.

It was Jones who personally returned Garrett to the Cowboys' organization with the expectation that he would eventually become the next head coach of the franchise. When Garrett was offered head-coaching positions with the Ravens and Falcons exactly a year ago, Jones persuaded him to remain with the Cowboys by making him the highest-paid assistant coach in football. Jones was fiercely determined to have Garrett develop Romo and maintain offensive continuity, and even mentioned his view of the team's future with Garrett as head coach in the new $1 billion stadium which the team opens next season.
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Reply #1 posted 01/15/09 8:45am

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The Cowboys problems ain't TO's fault and he has never been in any legal trouble so he's not in the same category as Pacman and Tank. Like him or not, everything he said about Romo's OVERdependence on Witten and Garrett's lackluster playcalling proved to be true. I say they keep him, and let Garrett tear his ass. wave
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Reply #2 posted 01/15/09 8:47am

Graycap23

Seems the media has it out 4 T.O.
I like the guy.
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Reply #3 posted 01/15/09 8:50am

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Graycap23 said:

Seems the media has it out 4 T.O.
I like the guy.

nod They always have. Granted he's not the most diplomatic person but he IS passionate about the game. It's funny how the media is always reporting that he's a problem in Dallas, but every player goes on the record about how much they like him. Even on that Hard Knocks show you could see that the other players genuinely like him. Which was NOT the case in San Fran or Philly. shrug
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Reply #4 posted 01/15/09 9:01am

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I think they should keep him. Who will get Pacman the Raiders???
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Reply #5 posted 01/15/09 9:28am

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T.O. is the ONLY player in team sports to where I will WITHOUT A DOUBT deem a "CANCER". I've NEVER seen a dude tear up lockerrooms like this cat. Ever.
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Reply #6 posted 01/15/09 9:29am

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rachel3 said:

I think they should keep him. Who will get Pacman the Raiders???


Damn, Rach. That hurt. True. But that hurt. lol
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Reply #7 posted 01/15/09 9:29am

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MuthaFunka said:

T.O. is the ONLY player in team sports to where I will WITHOUT A DOUBT deem a "CANCER". I've NEVER seen a dude tear up lockerrooms like this cat. Ever.

Is that a fact or media speculation?
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Reply #8 posted 01/15/09 9:31am

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Graycap23 said:

MuthaFunka said:

T.O. is the ONLY player in team sports to where I will WITHOUT A DOUBT deem a "CANCER". I've NEVER seen a dude tear up lockerrooms like this cat. Ever.

Is that a fact or media speculation?


Ask the Niners. Ask the Eagles. Now, ask the Cowboys. Dude is a fuckin' headcase. He's EASILY one of the top 5 WRs EVER...But he's a fuckin' headcase.
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Reply #9 posted 01/15/09 9:32am

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MuthaFunka said:

Graycap23 said:


Is that a fact or media speculation?


Ask the Niners. Ask the Eagles. Now, ask the Cowboys. Dude is a fuckin' headcase. He's EASILY one of the top 5 WRs EVER...But he's a fuckin' headcase.

But if teams know this.....how is he able 2 tear them apart?
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Reply #10 posted 01/15/09 9:33am

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Graycap23 said:

MuthaFunka said:



Ask the Niners. Ask the Eagles. Now, ask the Cowboys. Dude is a fuckin' headcase. He's EASILY one of the top 5 WRs EVER...But he's a fuckin' headcase.

But if teams know this.....how is he able 2 tear them apart?


He's talented as hell. Teams will take a chance on talent.
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Reply #11 posted 01/15/09 10:18am

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MuthaFunka said:

T.O. is the ONLY player in team sports to where I will WITHOUT A DOUBT deem a "CANCER". I've NEVER seen a dude tear up lockerrooms like this cat. Ever.


Co-motherfuckin' sign. This shit ain't a figment of everybody's imagination and it hasn't come just from the media. Former teammates and coaches alike have said it.

Dude is about dude. Always has been and always will be.
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Reply #12 posted 01/15/09 10:35am

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I say they keep him.....


Co-sign. Keep the whole team together, including the coach. smile
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Reply #13 posted 01/15/09 10:52am

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violator said:

MuthaFunka said:

T.O. is the ONLY player in team sports to where I will WITHOUT A DOUBT deem a "CANCER". I've NEVER seen a dude tear up lockerrooms like this cat. Ever.


Co-motherfuckin' sign. This shit ain't a figment of everybody's imagination and it hasn't come just from the media. Former teammates and coaches alike have said it.

Dude is about dude. Always has been and always will be.

Yep.
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uPtoWnNY said:

SCNDLS said:

I say they keep him.....


Co-sign. Keep the whole team together, including the coach. smile


lol A Giant fan HOPING the "slide" continues for the 'Boys. clapping
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Reply #15 posted 01/15/09 11:18am

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MuthaFunka said:

Graycap23 said:


Is that a fact or media speculation?


Ask the Niners. Ask the Eagles. Now, ask the Cowboys. Dude is a fuckin' headcase. He's EASILY one of the top 5 WRs EVER...But he's a fuckin' headcase.

He didn't tear up the Cowboys IMO. In the other cases there were always vocal members of the team talking about him. The most that I've hear from Cowboys players OWN mouths is that yes, the attention he draws can be a distraction but NO ONE has said that he caused any real problems in the locker room. shrug
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violator said:

MuthaFunka said:

T.O. is the ONLY player in team sports to where I will WITHOUT A DOUBT deem a "CANCER". I've NEVER seen a dude tear up lockerrooms like this cat. Ever.


Co-motherfuckin' sign. This shit ain't a figment of everybody's imagination and it hasn't come just from the media. Former teammates and coaches alike have said it.

Dude is about dude. Always has been and always will be.

What Cowboys players have said this though? confuse
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uPtoWnNY said:

SCNDLS said:

I say they keep him.....


Co-sign. Keep the whole team together, including the coach. smile

Shet it!!! mad
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Reply #18 posted 01/15/09 11:23am

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SCNDLS said:

MuthaFunka said:



Ask the Niners. Ask the Eagles. Now, ask the Cowboys. Dude is a fuckin' headcase. He's EASILY one of the top 5 WRs EVER...But he's a fuckin' headcase.

He didn't tear up the Cowboys IMO. In the other cases there were always vocal members of the team talking about him. The most that I've hear from Cowboys players OWN mouths is that yes, the attention he draws can be a distraction but NO ONE has said that he caused any real problems in the locker room. shrug


If Jerry Jones was smart, he'd dump T.O. and hire Shanahan A.S.A.P. Shanahan's an offensive guru, and he'd get Roy Williams more involved. Williams, Crayton, Witten, Barber, Jones, Choice - even without T.O. Cowboys are still loaded offensively.
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Reply #19 posted 01/15/09 11:30am

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uPtoWnNY said:

SCNDLS said:


He didn't tear up the Cowboys IMO. In the other cases there were always vocal members of the team talking about him. The most that I've hear from Cowboys players OWN mouths is that yes, the attention he draws can be a distraction but NO ONE has said that he caused any real problems in the locker room. shrug


If Jerry Jones was smart, he'd dump T.O. and hire Shanahan A.S.A.P. Shanahan's an offensive guru, and he'd get Roy Williams more involved. Williams, Crayton, Witten, Barber, Jones, Choice - even without T.O. Cowboys are still loaded offensively.

I agree with all that, but Jerry's not gonna get rid of the coach after he SO publically committed to him (stop dancing Uptown!). Although the Cowboys got all kinds o' issues I'm not convinced that TO is anywhere near the biggest one. Aside from his lil ol' overdose his stint here has been relatively drama free. BUT you wouldn't know that from watching ESPN. confused I think Romo's the BIGGEST problem on the team. shrug
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Reply #20 posted 01/15/09 11:31am

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SCNDLS said:

MuthaFunka said:



Ask the Niners. Ask the Eagles. Now, ask the Cowboys. Dude is a fuckin' headcase. He's EASILY one of the top 5 WRs EVER...But he's a fuckin' headcase.

He didn't tear up the Cowboys IMO. In the other cases there were always vocal members of the team talking about him. The most that I've hear from Cowboys players OWN mouths is that yes, the attention he draws can be a distraction but NO ONE has said that he caused any real problems in the locker room. shrug


lol That's that Cowboiy pride talkin' for ya, SCeezy...You KNOW that dude is a cancer.
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Reply #21 posted 01/15/09 11:35am

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MuthaFunka said:

SCNDLS said:


He didn't tear up the Cowboys IMO. In the other cases there were always vocal members of the team talking about him. The most that I've hear from Cowboys players OWN mouths is that yes, the attention he draws can be a distraction but NO ONE has said that he caused any real problems in the locker room. shrug


lol That's that Cowboiy pride talkin' for ya, SCeezy...You KNOW that dude is a cancer.

stfu What player has publically said that he caused problems???

Give me a number!!!! lol
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Reply #22 posted 01/15/09 11:43am

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SCNDLS said:

MuthaFunka said:



lol That's that Cowboiy pride talkin' for ya, SCeezy...You KNOW that dude is a cancer.

stfu What player has publically said that he caused problems???

Give me a number!!!! lol


No, you mean "Give me a SANE number" LMAO!
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Reply #23 posted 01/15/09 11:45am

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SCNDLS said:

MuthaFunka said:



lol That's that Cowboiy pride talkin' for ya, SCeezy...You KNOW that dude is a cancer.

stfu What player has publically said that he caused problems???

Give me a number!!!! lol

They won't be able 2.
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Reply #24 posted 01/15/09 11:47am

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MuthaFunka said:

SCNDLS said:


stfu What player has publically said that he caused problems???

Give me a number!!!! lol


No, you mean "Give me a SANE number" LMAO!

lol
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Reply #25 posted 01/15/09 12:20pm

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SCNDLS said:

violator said:



Co-motherfuckin' sign. This shit ain't a figment of everybody's imagination and it hasn't come just from the media. Former teammates and coaches alike have said it.

Dude is about dude. Always has been and always will be.

What Cowboys players have said this though? confuse


There may not be any Cowboys players who publicly say it. Personally, I think that kind of stuff should always stay in-house. But this quote from the article just kind of sums up having Owens on your team.

Not only does Owens have relationship issues with quarterback Tony Romo and tight end Jason Witten, but the controversial receiver consistently criticized Garrett's play calling and his offensive schemes to the point that sources say the offensive coordinator does not believe they can coexist.
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Reply #26 posted 01/15/09 2:04pm

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What's to think about? TO is a cancer and any team that has him will never win it all.
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Reply #27 posted 01/15/09 2:09pm

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There may not be any Cowboys players who publicly say it. Personally, I think that kind of stuff should always stay in-house. But this quote from the article just kind of sums up having Owens on your team.

Not only does Owens have relationship issues with quarterback Tony Romo and tight end Jason Witten, but the controversial receiver consistently criticized Garrett's play calling and his offensive schemes to the point that sources say the offensive coordinator does not believe they can coexist.

I still don't buy it tho cuz that statement is based on him calling out Romo about his overreliance on Witten, which is 100% TRUE, and about Garrett's half-assed play calling, which is also 100% TRUE. Other than this, TO had excellent relationships with Romo and Witten. Now I don't know about Garret but that's still minor in comparison to the things that occurred in the past. So, nah, I'm not laying the fault for the Cowboys' demise at TO's feet. disbelief
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Reply #28 posted 01/15/09 4:58pm

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Put his big ass mouth and ego on the fucking road. I was all for the Cowboys giving this guy a chance. Well he's had it, it hasn't worked out, now kick his ass to the curb.
If you're not doing the fucking, then you're taking one.
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Reply #29 posted 01/15/09 5:45pm

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What's to think about? TO is a cancer and any team that has him will never win it all.

Oh really? Who is more effective, T.O. or Romo? Who was the BEST player on the field in the Superbowl when Philly made it a few years ago?
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