To answer the question, if it makes you that uncomfortable, then leave. God help us if we learn a little tolerance for those who are different that us.

I cannot begin to list all the times I've gotten looks from people because of my son's behaviors in public. I've gone as far as telling some people: what the fuck are you looking at? or returning the long stares they give him.

I used to hide him away to prevent other people's good times from being interrupted. It is only by being more inclusive will he learn to be more "normal".

it's a great opportunity to learn patience and compassion. ask yourself if you would feel differently if the person had a physical ailment that created a special situation in class.

friends of my brother's have withdrawn from him lately, after he went through a manic phase (he's bipolar). it can be hard to deal with, but the rejection a person with a disorder feels is far worse than our temporary discomfort.

just my

Vendetta1 said:

Hey, vendetta, do you know why I posted this? I did not post this to be told, "if you don't like it leave." I posted this so that I could hear different viewpoints, so that I could come to some kind of understanding about this student's circumstances. And you have to face facts - in absence of information, people tend to assume the worst. I'm not saying that's your fault, but I am not like that. Take a chill pill, cuz I have, and have decided that if I do stay in class, I'm just going to suck it up.

tackam said:

Vaccines have been and continue to be investigated as a source of mercury poisoning and autism. Of course, main stream medicine and the drug companies need everyone to believe that the drugs they are pushing are safe.

Mercury is more toxic than lead and yet people routinely let their children be poisoned with it as do adults who have teeth restored with amalgam (silver) fillings.

http://search.mercola.com...0poisoning

You know I have to chime in here. as a parent . yes I said "Parent" of an autistic child.This comes in different levels to verbal, non verbal Violent and non violent. I find that some people are ignorant to this. And I love my child and to anyone who dares calls Karissa annoying or scary will get a foot dead in their ass. She is the most happiest child with such a wonderful heart and soul and I am proud to be a part of her life. Believe me if anyone ever met her they would fall in love with her in 2 seconds just as I did when i 1st met her.

I had met Ivy's son and for 2 seconds I got nervous with him. But you know what I found Danny's a good kid strong as fuck but a damn good kid and If you Don't know what it is like to care for a special needs child. believe me it is not as easy as it looks. It does take patience love and time. And if you do not know how to acquire these things believe me a child with any kind of special need will teach you this.
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IAintTheOne said:

I don't know what exactly is going on with our son, it could be sensory issues, but I do know that when I see peoples reactions--usually ones where they say or non verbally show what he needs is a good spanking, it makes my blood boil..We are trying, and so is our son, to deal with environments, easy frustration, and other issues. I appreciate Eaglebear just being honest, its the people who are just walking by and see him in meltdown and say "oh honey, just give me five minutes..." and then I have to say "with him or with me?"

IAintTheOne said:

I don't know what exactly is going on with our son, it could be sensory issues, but I do know that when I see peoples reactions--usually ones where they say or non verbally show what he needs is a good spanking, it makes my blood boil..We are trying, and so is our son, to deal with environments, easy frustration, and other issues. I appreciate Eaglebear just being honest, its the people who are just walking by and see him in meltdown and say "oh honey, just give me five minutes..." and then I have to say "with him or with me?"

it's a great opportunity to learn patience and compassion. ask yourself if you would feel differently if the person had a physical ailment that created a special situation in class.

friends of my brother's have withdrawn from him lately, after he went through a manic phase (he's bipolar). it can be hard to deal with, but the rejection a person with a disorder feels is far worse than our temporary discomfort.

just my

eaglebear4839 said:

I got the impression from your post that you wanted to be happy and that meant removing the autistic student from the class or perhaps something should/could be done to make him shut up. If this is not the case, then i apologize. If it is the case, I stand by what I said.

IrresistibleB1tch said:

There isn't. the vaccine are/were stored in a container containing mercury that is believed to have leeched into the vaccines.

tackam said:

Not true....there used to be loads of thimersol(mercury) in vaccines. It was phased out in the late 90's early 2000's due to safety concerns. There are now only trace amounts of thimersol in most vaccines. The only vaccine that still contains the old amount of thimersol is the flu shot, which they are now recommending for infants over 6 months of age.

I take exception to your earlier post about vaccines and autism. As a parent, I find it completly condescending to think that a parent cant notice a difference in their child before vaccine and after. You should read some of their stories. They talk about how a few days after receiving a certain shot, their previous normally child no longer sleeps, no longer speaks, has constant liquid bowel movements, so on and so forth. Why are they dismissed? Parents know their children.

Bernadine Healy, the former head of the Institue of Medicine, just said a few months ago that all of the studies that dismiss autism and vaccines have been flawed and that the question is still up for debate.

http://www.ageofautism.co...-shot.html
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pearle said:

Mercury is not good
Don't eat big ocean fish, high in the food chain, there is more mercury in one serve of those, than amalgam fillings leach out in a lifetime.
http://www.daphnezuniga.n..._oprah.php
remember daphne zuniga? she got poisoned from eating too much tuna

ZombieKitten said:

....and I am such a Sushi addict. Tuna!

Muse2NOPharaoh said:

depends how big the tuna, the small ones like yellowfin are fine, the bigger the fish, the higher the concentrations of mercury in their bodies. River fish are OK.

Current update is that I am probably going to drop both classes I take M&W, but not for just one reason. The difference in energy levels between yesterday's classes and today's classes is like night and day. Yesterday's classes seemed at an almost chaotic level, but today's classes were orderly and both teachers were not afraid to take command of their classrooms - I'm just a stickler for this, I admit. Plus, I think I'm just a Tues./Thurs. person when it comes to school (am used to it.) Still, it really does make me think I would benefit from exposing myself to an autistic environment, and could ask those "dumb rube" questions about behavior patterns and stuff,then I would have more success and ease adapting myself to the situation. Thanks to all who commented, cuz it did at least provide a chance for good dialogue/debate.

bluesbaby said:

I've looked after autistic children and they are a handful sometimes but its more in an emotional sense than physical. You're always having to have one eye on them, and its almost as if they drain you emotionally. Like their frustration feeds on you. I don't know but im very sensitive around autistic children and i can spot one by my senses. I just know they are around.

Your son doesn't need a good spanking, he needs a good hug, just because he might not be able to show you how much appreciates it in return, it doesn't mean he can't feel it.

Autism is something very close to me and i believe it can be reversed. I make no apologies if i seem controversial but my brother is having positive results with his son by adapting his diet(gluten free, dairy free, yeast free) and doing slow mercury chelation. Yes he's improving, many choose to ignore the mercury/yeast issue but it's connected and i would honestly say never give up that your son won't ever see the world like most of us do, it's possible, even if everyone else tells you it's not.

I take exception to your earlier post about vaccines and autism. As a parent, I find it completly condescending to think that a parent cant notice a difference in their child before vaccine and after. You should read some of their stories. They talk about how a few days after receiving a certain shot, their previous normally child no longer sleeps, no longer speaks, has constant liquid bowel movements, so on and so forth. Why are they dismissed? Parents know their children.

illimack said:

I'm not saying that people can't notice a difference before and after a vaccine. I'm saying that symptoms of autism frequently come on suddenly, and the fact that this occurs just after vaccination DOES NOT MEAN that the vaccination caused it. Statistically, the symptoms WILL sometimes come right after vaccination. Correlation does not equal causation.

Let me say that again: correlation does not equal causation!

I'm not gonna argue about the science here, because I can see that I'm not gonna change anybody's mind. Too many of you are DEDICATED to this being the cause, and will believe any shred of evidence for it being the cause in the face of any amount of evidence against it. I understand the desire for answers. But it's a shame that something so important for public health is now so scary for parents.

illimack said:

I'm not saying that people can't notice a difference before and after a vaccine. I'm saying that symptoms of autism frequently come on suddenly, and the fact that this occurs just after vaccination DOES NOT MEAN that the vaccination caused it. Statistically, the symptoms WILL sometimes come right after vaccination. Correlation does not equal causation.

Let me say that again: correlation does not equal causation!

I'm not gonna argue about the science here, because I can see that I'm not gonna change anybody's mind. Too many of you are DEDICATED to this being the cause, and will believe any shred of evidence for it being the cause in the face of any amount of evidence against it. I understand the desire for answers. But it's a shame that something so important for public health is now so scary for parents.

tackam said:

Are you aware that they have NEVER compared autism rates in the vaccinated vs the unvaccinated.....There has never been one scientific study on this. Why not? They also have never done any long term safety studies on vaccines. They do clinical studies that usually last 5 days. I asked my doctor why they give Hep B shots to babies. You know what he told me? They don't really need it, but when they get older and they might ingage in risky behaviour when they will need it, they will probably say no? The Heb B shot used to be loaded with mercury and babies are given three doese before the age of six months. They never studied the long term effects of doing this. The whole process is insace when you you really look into it. Where are all the 30/40/50 plus year olds who suddenly got autism at 2 years old? It's one thing if your child was never healthy, never spoke, etc. It's quite another for a perfectly developing child to suddenly get sick. Where are all the unvaccinated children that suddenly get sick at 2 years old? Why do all the kids that get better using chelation therapy excrete vast amounts of mecury and other heavey metals? Where is all that mercury coming from? Why do they tell pregnant women to avoind fish due to the mecury, and them advise them to get the flu shot, which still contains mercury? It's insanity.

More and more scientist are starting to believe that there is a subset of children that can not handle vaccines due to their genetic make up. Until they develop a test to find out who those children are, I am choosing to opt out.

You know I have to chime in here. as a parent . yes I said "Parent" of an autistic child.This comes in different levels to verbal, non verbal Violent and non violent. I find that some people are ignorant to this. And I love my child and to anyone who dares calls Karissa annoying or scary will get a foot dead in their ass. She is the most happiest child with such a wonderful heart and soul and I am proud to be a part of her life. Believe me if anyone ever met her they would fall in love with her in 2 seconds just as I did when i 1st met her.

I had met Ivy's son and for 2 seconds I got nervous with him. But you know what I found Danny's a good kid strong as fuck but a damn good kid and If you Don't know what it is like to care for a special needs child. believe me it is not as easy as it looks. It does take patience love and time. And if you do not know how to acquire these things believe me a child with any kind of special need will teach you this.
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[Edited 1/15/09 18:51pm]