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Go East, young man? Californians look for the exit

http://news.yahoo.com/s/a...california

LOS ANGELES – Mike Reilly spent his lifetime chasing the California dream. This year he's going to look for it in Colorado.

With a house purchase near Denver in the works, the 38-year-old engineering contractor plans to move his family 1,200 miles away from his home state's lemon groves, sunshine and beaches. For him, years of rising taxes, dead-end schools, unchecked illegal immigration and clogged traffic have robbed the Golden State of its allure.

Is there something left of the California dream?

"If you are a Hollywood actor," Reilly says, "but not for us."

Since the days of the Gold Rush, California has represented the Promised Land, an image celebrated in the songs of the Beach Boys and embodied by Silicon Valley's instant millionaires and the young men and women who achieve stardom in Hollywood.

But for many California families last year, tomorrow started somewhere else.

The number of people leaving California for another state outstripped the number moving in from another state during the year ending on July 1, 2008. California lost a net total of 144,000 people during that period — more than any other state, according to census estimates. That is about equal to the population of Syracuse, N.Y.

The state with the next-highest net loss through migration between states was New York, which lost just over 126,000 residents.

California's loss is extremely small in a state of 38 million. And, in fact, the state's population continues to increase overall because of births and immigration, legal and illegal. But it is the fourth consecutive year that more residents decamped from California for other states than arrived here from within the U.S.

A losing streak that long hasn't happened in California since the recession of the early 1990s, when departures outstripped arrivals from other states by 362,000 in 1994 alone.

In part because of the boom in population in other Western states, California could lose a congressional seat for the first time in its history.

Why are so many looking for an exit?

Among other things: California's unemployment rate hit 8.4 percent in November, the third-highest in the nation, and it is expected to get worse. A record 236,000 foreclosures are projected for 2008, more than the prior nine years combined, according to research firm MDA DataQuick. Personal income was about flat last year.

With state government facing a $41.6 billion budget hole over 18 months, residents are bracing for higher taxes, cuts in education and postponed tax rebates. A multibillion-dollar plan to remake downtown Los Angeles has stalled, and office vacancy rates there and in San Diego and San Jose surpass the 10.2 percent national average.

Median housing prices have nose-dived one-third from a 2006 peak, but many homes are still out of reach for middle-class families. Some small towns are on the brink of bankruptcy. Normally recession-proof Hollywood has been hit by layoffs.

"You see wages go down and the cost of living go up," Reilly says. His property taxes will be $1,300 in Colorado, down from $4,300 on his three-bedroom house in Nipomo, about 80 miles up the coast from Santa Barbara.

California's obituary has been written before — "California: The Endangered Dream" was the title of a 1991 Time magazine cover story. The Golden State and its huge economy — by itself, the eighth-largest in the world — have shown resilience, weathering the aerospace bust, the dot-com crash and an energy crunch in recent years.

But this time, the news just keeps getting worse.

A state board halted lending for about 2,000 public works projects in California worth more than $16 billion because the state could not afford them. A report by Sen. Barbara Boxer, D-Calif., last month said the state lost 100,000 jobs in the last year and the erosion of home prices eliminated over $1 trillion in wealth.

"I don't think the California dream, per se, is over. It has become and will continue to become grittier," says New America Foundation senior fellow Gregory Rodriguez. "Now, perhaps, we have to reassess the California of our imagination."

Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger is among those who say the state needs to create itself anew, rebuilding roads, schools and transit.

"We've lived off the investments our parents made in the '50s and '60s for a long time," says Tim Hodson, director of the Center for California Studies at California State University, Sacramento. "We're somewhat in the position of a Rust Belt state in the 1970s."

Financial adviser Barry Hartz lived in California for 60 years and once ran for state Assembly before relocating with his wife last year to Colorado Springs, Colo., where his son's family had moved.

"The saddest thing I saw was the escalation of home prices to the point our kids, when they got married, could not live in the community where they lived and grew up," Hartz says. "Some people call that progress."
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Reply #1 posted 01/12/09 3:29pm

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Good...

more room for me!
A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon
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Reply #2 posted 01/12/09 5:51pm

kimrachell

yeah, sometimes california sucks!
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Reply #3 posted 01/12/09 7:39pm

july



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Reply #4 posted 01/12/09 7:41pm

july

There was a big Californian migration of people to the Seattle area back in the late 1980's.
They drove some crazy with their California ways. Like driving with cell phones, not stopping completely at stop signs. doh!


I personally. I liked them. hug

hug
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Reply #5 posted 01/12/09 7:51pm

Stax

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yeah, the thought is crossing my mind more often these days.
a psychotic is someone who just figured out what's going on
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Reply #6 posted 01/12/09 11:28pm

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Great! Perhaps in a few years, the Bay area will be a buyer's market, and I can afford a home there. smile
Ὅσον ζῇς φαίνου
μηδὲν ὅλως σὺ λυποῦ
πρὸς ὀλίγον ἐστὶ τὸ ζῆν
τὸ τέλος ὁ χρόνος ἀπαιτεῖ.”
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Reply #7 posted 01/12/09 11:41pm

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Lammastide said:

Great! Perhaps in a few years, the Bay area will be a buyer's market, and I can afford a home there. smile


Preach it man, preach it!!
A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon
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Reply #8 posted 01/13/09 12:05am

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"unchecked illegal immigration "

i think this is an really big issue for some people that are looking to leave or have left.
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Reply #9 posted 01/13/09 12:19am

SoulAlive

I'm staying here in California.I love it lol
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Reply #10 posted 01/13/09 12:28am

SoulAlive

july said:

There was a big Californian migration of people to the Seattle area back in the late 1980's.
They drove some crazy with their California ways. Like driving with cell phones, not stopping completely at stop signs. doh!


I personally. I liked them. hug

hug


Two of my friends left California and moved to Oregon lol One of them recently moved back,saying Oregon was "boring",lol.
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Reply #11 posted 01/13/09 8:08am

Graycap23

Saw that train coming years ago.....
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Reply #12 posted 01/18/09 7:20pm

july

SoulAlive said:

july said:

There was a big Californian migration of people to the Seattle area back in the late 1980's.
They drove some crazy with their California ways. Like driving with cell phones, not stopping completely at stop signs. doh!


I personally. I liked them. hug

hug


Two of my friends left California and moved to Oregon lol One of them recently moved back,saying Oregon was "boring",lol.

Oregon is boring. So is Seattle. That's the main reason. umbrella
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Reply #13 posted 01/19/09 3:27am

wildgoldenhone
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But I love California.
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Reply #14 posted 01/19/09 3:45am

SoulAlive

july said:

SoulAlive said:



Two of my friends left California and moved to Oregon lol One of them recently moved back,saying Oregon was "boring",lol.

Oregon is boring. So is Seattle. That's the main reason. umbrella


Yeah,that's what I figured.
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Reply #15 posted 01/19/09 5:02am

july

SoulAlive said:

july said:


Oregon is boring. So is Seattle. That's the main reason. umbrella


Yeah,that's what I figured.

The main reason. They wanted to move to the NW. The peace and quiet. And that all the rain keeps the bad people away. storm
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