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Printablemeow85 said: horatio said: YES SOME OF US GIVE A SHIT. ENOUGH OF US CARE THAT IT WARRANTS YOU BEING TOLD WHAT TO WEAR. ENJOY! Please answer the question, and quit shouting. If you go out to dinner tonight at a restaurant, and the waitress has flats on instead of high heels, or a tasteful skirt instead of pants, are you going to leave without eating anything? Will it interfere with the enjoyment or quality of your meal? If you go shopping for shirts, and the guy has an eyebrow ring, will his facial jewelry destry the quality of the garment, disrupt the atmosphere of the store, or alter the price? you'RE dumb [Edited 1/13/09 11:14am] | |
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RenHoek said: meow85 said: So you're saying employees are too dumb to dress themselves and need some fatass in corporate head office picking out their trousers for them? Gotcha.  If you're looking down from on top of Mt. Corporate, you bet! Get it straight, dress codes aren't really about you or your personal sense of expression. THEY.DON'T.CARE! It's about conformity, representing the brand and doing what your bosses tell you to do! There's really nothing more to it!!! I'd always wondered why they shave everyone's head in boot camp and the same rule applies here. Everyone is the same, there is no room for individuality and don't be a shred different. For all intents and purposes I look like I should be beggin' for change right now and I've had clients look at me a little odd when they first meet me. But it's MY business and I'll do what I like, fortunately I know how to sell window treatments and so they buy from me because they know they are getting exceptional service. But why, for fuck's sake? It's a burger joint, not the military. Much as McDondald's prides itself on employee precision, is someone's tongue stud going to prevent even one person from purchasing a Big Mac? What is the point, if there is no evidence that it's disruptful to business? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: Genesia said: With an attitude like yours, you will never work at anything but a menial job.
Bullshit. Have you seen how university professors dress? Do you think university professors just fell out of bed one morning and discovered they were university professors? Let me help you. No, they didn't. Most of them had other jobs first. Jobs at which they undoubtedly played the game as they found it. Menial, low-wage jobs are a test, sweetheart. A test to see if you can go along to get along. Fail the test and you will never go anywhere. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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meow85 said: NDRU said: I do think that in this day & age, people should be able to have green hair & nose rings as long as they're wearing the uniform. I don't think that would be an issue here. I can even understand strict dress codes in an office, where people still have the notion that professionals can only be professionals if they've got suits on. It's a bizarre idea IMO that someone in jeans isn't capable of being an accountant, as if their pants affect their math skills, but it's so ingrained that for now there's no point arguing it. But somebody selling you burgers or movie tickets or teddy bears? It's just ridiculous to even think it makes a difference. And yes, I wore the worst uniform ever! My god they weren't only ugly, they were old & worn out!  My crotch had patches in it.  
That sounds awful. My worst uniform was when I was dishbitch in a restaurant a few years ago. In spite of the fact that the company surely hires both men and women in all their restaurants, and people of a variety of sizes, as standard company practice kitchens uniforms were only ordered in Men's Large. 
I'm 4'11'' and just barely over 100 lbs, and barring any massive weight gain, that's the size I'll always be as an adult. I actually had to take my uniform to a professional seamstress, so many alterations were needed to make the thing wearable, and even then the company didn't reimburse me for the cost. And even after the seamstress had her way with it, the "t-shirt" sleeves came halfway down my forearms. Uniforms are usually not what we want to wear. Even me, I have no dress code, but work in an office, so I try to look professional. And it's a pain to get dressed every morning, even when I can wear jeans But after all it's work. We don't technically HAVE to work, but if we WANT to work, we have to play by their rules to some extent. They're our bosses.
And there are jobs that don't have dress codes. Plenty of them. But if you want to take advantage of opportunity in this world you have to know how to play by the rules and use them to your advantage, rather than get caught up in how ridiculous they are. And yes they are often ridiculous. My Legacy
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horatio said: meow85 said: Please answer the question, and quit shouting. If you go out to dinner tonight at a restaurant, and the waitress has flats on instead of high heels, or a tasteful skirt instead of pants, are you going to leave without eating anything? Will it interfere with the enjoyment or quality of your meal? If you go shopping for shirts, and the guy has an eyebrow ring, will his facial jewelry destry the quality of the garment, disrupt the atmosphere of the store, or alter the price? your dumb The maturity of your response boggles the mind, truly. 
You're the one insisting corporate dress codes are important to the employer and to the customer, and yet when I ask you why exactly it matters to the bottomline ($ !) or if you can prove that it does, you can't do anything but insult me. With poor grammar, natch. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: RenHoek said: Meow85 although I can appreciate your concerns you're putting waaay too much thought into this. Ever heard of branding? No, not the painful searing your flesh type but the product type. That's ALL that dress codes are really about. The corps. are trying to sell "the whole package" in pursuit of the almighty dollar.
If you're at work in a theater and they want you to look like an old-timey usher with a bow tie, then so be it. If you work in a clothing store and they would prefer you to wear the clothes they sell and they give you an employee discount so you can buy their crap and wear it, so be it. I love piercings & tattoos and colored hair as much as the next guy but there is a time and place for everything and in some retail settings, it's neither the time or place. For the most part I'm with Horatio & NDRU on this. And all the informal studies in the world won't ever get behind what people REALLY think... Ultimately all I can say is, deal with it, wear what your employer asks/ demands of you and save your money. When you have some set aside go into business for yourself and make up your own dress code. Problem solved!
[Edited 1/13/09 10:19am] But this doesn't answer my basic, initial question of: Do customers really give a shit? I have not once seen any evidence that they do. Employee identification is one thing, dictating how someone can wear their hair is another. Do blue shoes instead of black really interfere with the "brand"? Really? Yes really! All kinds of thoughts spring to mind about how I will judge a salesperson based solely on their appearance. I just dropped large cash at Best Buy for electronics and I didn't like one guy because his shirt was untucked. Imagine that! So I spoke with someone else who didn't look like they'd just gotten out of bed in the warehouse, he got the credit for the sale. Appearances mean a lot to a lot of people regardless of they're knowledgeably. That guy with slovenly appearance may have been their BEST salesguy, maybe even floor manager, but I don't care! He looked like a scrub and I don't like to spend money with scrubs EVEN THOUGH I'm the one lookin' homeless!!! A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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Genesia said: meow85 said: Bullshit. Have you seen how university professors dress? Do you think university professors just fell out of bed one morning and discovered they were university professors? Let me help you. No, they didn't. Most of them had other jobs first. Jobs at which they undoubtedly played the game as they found it. Menial, low-wage jobs are a test, sweetheart. A test to see if you can go along to get along. Fail the test and you will never go anywhere. Who says I'm going to fail, sweetheart? I should think that proven ability to perform a job effectively and service the customer's needs would be more telling at the end of the day of an employee's workplace suitability than whether or not they wore the right shoes. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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NDRU said: meow85 said:
That sounds awful. My worst uniform was when I was dishbitch in a restaurant a few years ago. In spite of the fact that the company surely hires both men and women in all their restaurants, and people of a variety of sizes, as standard company practice kitchens uniforms were only ordered in Men's Large.
I'm 4'11'' and just barely over 100 lbs, and barring any massive weight gain, that's the size I'll always be as an adult. I actually had to take my uniform to a professional seamstress, so many alterations were needed to make the thing wearable, and even then the company didn't reimburse me for the cost. And even after the seamstress had her way with it, the "t-shirt" sleeves came halfway down my forearms. Uniforms are usually not what we want to wear. Even me, I have no dress code, but work in an office, so I try to look professional. And it's a pain to get dressed every morning, even when I can wear jeans But after all it's work. We don't technically HAVE to work, but if we WANT to work, we have to play by their rules to some extent. They're our bosses.
And there are jobs that don't have dress codes. Plenty of them. But if you want to take advantage of opportunity in this world you have to know how to play by the rules and use them to your advantage, rather than get caught up in how ridiculous they are. And yes they are often ridiculous. If it means the difference between a paycheque and being unemployed, of course I'll play along. I'm not stupid. But I think I do have a right to question something when presented with a rule that doesn't make any sense. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: RenHoek said: If you're looking down from on top of Mt. Corporate, you bet! Get it straight, dress codes aren't really about you or your personal sense of expression. THEY.DON'T.CARE! It's about conformity, representing the brand and doing what your bosses tell you to do! There's really nothing more to it!!! I'd always wondered why they shave everyone's head in boot camp and the same rule applies here. Everyone is the same, there is no room for individuality and don't be a shred different. For all intents and purposes I look like I should be beggin' for change right now and I've had clients look at me a little odd when they first meet me. But it's MY business and I'll do what I like, fortunately I know how to sell window treatments and so they buy from me because they know they are getting exceptional service. But why, for fuck's sake? It's a burger joint, not the military. Much as McDondald's prides itself on employee precision, is someone's tongue stud going to prevent even one person from purchasing a Big Mac? What is the point, if there is no evidence that it's disruptful to business? But there is evidence! There's probably been countless studies paid by big companies to find out whether or not this is true. The real bottom line is this, regardless of how much you rail on against "The Man" and his uber-strict corporate dress codes nothing will change until you are in charge. Hell, I look scruffy but if I had employees I'd make them dress to the nines. A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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RenHoek said: meow85 said: But this doesn't answer my basic, initial question of: Do customers really give a shit? I have not once seen any evidence that they do. Employee identification is one thing, dictating how someone can wear their hair is another. Do blue shoes instead of black really interfere with the "brand"? Really? Yes really! All kinds of thoughts spring to mind about how I will judge a salesperson based solely on their appearance. I just dropped large cash at Best Buy for electronics and I didn't like one guy because his shirt was untucked. Imagine that! So I spoke with someone else who didn't look like they'd just gotten out of bed in the warehouse, he got the credit for the sale. Appearances mean a lot to a lot of people regardless of they're knowledgeably. That guy with slovenly appearance may have been their BEST salesguy, maybe even floor manager, but I don't care! He looked like a scrub and I don't like to spend money with scrubs EVEN THOUGH I'm the one lookin' homeless!!! personally, attitude matters much more to me than appearance. I have seen salespeople that are dressed well, clean, stylish & good looking, but they act like I am a disruption to their lives. I'll take the nice guy with the untucked shirt. My Legacy
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meow85 said: Genesia said: Do you think university professors just fell out of bed one morning and discovered they were university professors? Let me help you. No, they didn't. Most of them had other jobs first. Jobs at which they undoubtedly played the game as they found it. Menial, low-wage jobs are a test, sweetheart. A test to see if you can go along to get along. Fail the test and you will never go anywhere. Who says I'm going to fail, sweetheart? I should think that proven ability to perform a job effectively and service the customer's needs would be more telling at the end of the day of an employee's workplace suitability than whether or not they wore the right shoes. Following instructions is THE test... A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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meow85 said: Efan said: I think dress codes start out with good intentions on management's part (a professional looking staff to serve customers well) but often get mired in minutiae. Sometimes, management is just being stupid, or maybe just inconsistent, or even sexist (like making women wear high heels). Often, though, management has to deal with whiny employees ("You let Betty have a nose ring! So why can't I wear piercings all over my face?") who push things and make management uncomfortable. If you give an inch, some people will take a mile and push things to the limit, so management decides they don't want to take a chance. Their response, though, can often be silly when looked at in specifics, but they try to make a decision they feel is best. Plus, they have to deal with employees who really want to make social or political statements through their appearance, but all management really wants is employees who care more about their jobs. Management is not always right or smart, unfortunately, but those are the breaks.
The basic assumption there seems to be that certain appearances preclude an employee from doing their job efficiently, and serving their customers well. Prove to me an Obama t-shirt or a lip ring interferes in any way, and I'll buy this argument. I'm not sure how to prove to you that a political T-shirt could interfere with doing your job. I mean, it seems pretty basic. Some people will agree with your politics, and some will want to argue with you. In neither instance will this in any way benefit your employer. Why should he or she give a shit about your politics? Why should he or she be forced to? And more importantly, why should the customers? The bottom line is the question is wrong. The owner/manager doesn't have to explain to you why something is wrong or won't fly--you have to prove to him or her that what you do will improve business. The lip ring thing I think I already explained--it in itself might not be bad, but you have to draw the line somewhere or people will try to take advantage. Many employers draw that line conservatively; it's their prerogative. | |
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RenHoek said: meow85 said: But this doesn't answer my basic, initial question of: Do customers really give a shit? I have not once seen any evidence that they do. Employee identification is one thing, dictating how someone can wear their hair is another. Do blue shoes instead of black really interfere with the "brand"? Really? Yes really! All kinds of thoughts spring to mind about how I will judge a salesperson based solely on their appearance. I just dropped large cash at Best Buy for electronics and I didn't like one guy because his shirt was untucked. Imagine that! So I spoke with someone else who didn't look like they'd just gotten out of bed in the warehouse, he got the credit for the sale. Appearances mean a lot to a lot of people regardless of they're knowledgeably. That guy with slovenly appearance may have been their BEST salesguy, maybe even floor manager, but I don't care! He looked like a scrub and I don't like to spend money with scrubs EVEN THOUGH I'm the one lookin' homeless!!! I already addressed matters of cleanliness and having a neat appearance. That absolutely DOES matter, for exactly the reason you just said. Slovenliness scares away customers, always. But if Mr. Grubby at Best Buy was neat 'n' tidy, but had on brown pants instead of black, would you have even noticed? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: Genesia said: Do you think university professors just fell out of bed one morning and discovered they were university professors? Let me help you. No, they didn't. Most of them had other jobs first. Jobs at which they undoubtedly played the game as they found it. Menial, low-wage jobs are a test, sweetheart. A test to see if you can go along to get along. Fail the test and you will never go anywhere. Who says I'm going to fail, sweetheart? I should think that proven ability to perform a job effectively and service the customer's needs would be more telling at the end of the day of an employee's workplace suitability than whether or not they wore the right shoes. The point everyone is trying to make is that employers will never get to know if you can do the job - because they're more interested in the fact that you can't follow their rules and have a shitty attitude, to boot! If you're disrespectful to the boss (and deliberately disobeying a dress code is disrespectful), what hope do they have that you'll be respectful to the customer? Oh - and if you can't keep a basic, low-wage job, that is pretty much the definition of failure. We don’t mourn artists because we knew them. We mourn them because they helped us know ourselves. | |
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NDRU said: RenHoek said: Yes really! All kinds of thoughts spring to mind about how I will judge a salesperson based solely on their appearance. I just dropped large cash at Best Buy for electronics and I didn't like one guy because his shirt was untucked. Imagine that! So I spoke with someone else who didn't look like they'd just gotten out of bed in the warehouse, he got the credit for the sale. Appearances mean a lot to a lot of people regardless of they're knowledgeably. That guy with slovenly appearance may have been their BEST salesguy, maybe even floor manager, but I don't care! He looked like a scrub and I don't like to spend money with scrubs EVEN THOUGH I'm the one lookin' homeless!!! personally, attitude matters much more to me than appearance. I have seen salespeople that are dressed well, clean, stylish & good looking, but they act like I am a disruption to their lives. I'll take the nice guy with the untucked shirt. Oh I heartily agree! You can have a room full of well dressed employees and then it does come down to knowledgability or skill but this was all about first impressions because they count too... A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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RenHoek said: meow85 said: But why, for fuck's sake? It's a burger joint, not the military. Much as McDondald's prides itself on employee precision, is someone's tongue stud going to prevent even one person from purchasing a Big Mac? What is the point, if there is no evidence that it's disruptful to business? But there is evidence! There's probably been countless studies paid by big companies to find out whether or not this is true. The real bottom line is this, regardless of how much you rail on against "The Man" and his uber-strict corporate dress codes nothing will change until you are in charge. Hell, I look scruffy but if I had employees I'd make them dress to the nines. I can't speak for studies but I CAN speak for one-on-one experience with customers. Even people you would not suspect of liberalism or open-mindedness, like the aforementioned elderly women who loved my green mohawk, do not care as long as the employee has company i.d. of some kind and is clean and presentable. More than general appearance, what customers care about is product knowledge, efficiency, and staff friendliness. I guarantee you that if these companies spent half the time properly training their employees as they do nitpicking about shoelaces or eyeshadow, the customers would be happier and spend more money. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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RenHoek said: meow85 said: Who says I'm going to fail, sweetheart? I should think that proven ability to perform a job effectively and service the customer's needs would be more telling at the end of the day of an employee's workplace suitability than whether or not they wore the right shoes. Following instructions is THE test... And did I say I wouldn't obey? I may think dress codes are the work of ignorant fucktards with too much time on their hands and poor understanding of their employees or their customers but if it means keeping my job I will do it. But acquiesing to unreasonable demands does not make the demands any less unreasonable. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: RenHoek said: Yes really! All kinds of thoughts spring to mind about how I will judge a salesperson based solely on their appearance. I just dropped large cash at Best Buy for electronics and I didn't like one guy because his shirt was untucked. Imagine that! So I spoke with someone else who didn't look like they'd just gotten out of bed in the warehouse, he got the credit for the sale. Appearances mean a lot to a lot of people regardless of they're knowledgeably. That guy with slovenly appearance may have been their BEST salesguy, maybe even floor manager, but I don't care! He looked like a scrub and I don't like to spend money with scrubs EVEN THOUGH I'm the one lookin' homeless!!! I already addressed matters of cleanliness and having a neat appearance. That absolutely DOES matter, for exactly the reason you just said. Slovenliness scares away customers, always. But if Mr. Grubby at Best Buy was neat 'n' tidy, but had on brown pants instead of black, would you have even noticed? Come to think of it, yes. I myself am a Retailer and I pay particularly close attention to how the mega-stores operate because it's free knowledge for me and my micro-business. The Best Buy uniforms are blue uniform shirts, khaki trousers, and black shoes. If anyone of the sales staff were wearing black pants not only would they stand out like a sore thumb but I doubt they would've made it to the floor. A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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One thing I will give you meow is you certainly know the art of creating threads/debates about NOTHING that go on forever in circles. Like a dog chasing its tail.
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Genesia said: meow85 said: Who says I'm going to fail, sweetheart? I should think that proven ability to perform a job effectively and service the customer's needs would be more telling at the end of the day of an employee's workplace suitability than whether or not they wore the right shoes. The point everyone is trying to make is that employers will never get to know if you can do the job - because they're more interested in the fact that you can't follow their rules and have a shitty attitude, to boot! If you're disrespectful to the boss (and deliberately disobeying a dress code is disrespectful), what hope do they have that you'll be respectful to the customer? Oh - and if you can't keep a basic, low-wage job, that is pretty much the definition of failure. Did I say I wouldn't do it just because I think it's profoundly stupid? Or that I'm disrespectful to my employers because they have stupid rules? I have never once in my life been fired. So what's this assumptive bullshit about not being able to keep a job? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: RenHoek said: Following instructions is THE test... And did I say I wouldn't obey? I may think dress codes are the work of ignorant fucktards with too much time on their hands and poor understanding of their employees or their customers but if it means keeping my job I will do it. But acquiesing to unreasonable demands does not make the demands any less unreasonable. Nothing that you've stated as dress code issues seemed unreasonable to me. Let's twist the issue for a second. If you went to a tattoo parlor to get some new ink and the guy holding the needle wore a blue button down shirt and khakis and didn't have ANY tats of his own, wouldn't you have second thoughts that you might be in the wrong place, even just for a second??? A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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RenHoek said: meow85 said: I already addressed matters of cleanliness and having a neat appearance. That absolutely DOES matter, for exactly the reason you just said. Slovenliness scares away customers, always. But if Mr. Grubby at Best Buy was neat 'n' tidy, but had on brown pants instead of black, would you have even noticed? Come to think of it, yes. I myself am a Retailer and I pay particularly close attention to how the mega-stores operate because it's free knowledge for me and my micro-business. The Best Buy uniforms are blue uniform shirts, khaki trousers, and black shoes. If anyone of the sales staff were wearing black pants not only would they stand out like a sore thumb but I doubt they would've made it to the floor. I was not aware of what the Best Buy uniform entailed. Fine. If the employee had dark brown shoes instead of black. First, would you notice? And second, would it matter? And third, if it does matter, why does it? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: Genesia said: The point everyone is trying to make is that employers will never get to know if you can do the job - because they're more interested in the fact that you can't follow their rules and have a shitty attitude, to boot! If you're disrespectful to the boss (and deliberately disobeying a dress code is disrespectful), what hope do they have that you'll be respectful to the customer? Oh - and if you can't keep a basic, low-wage job, that is pretty much the definition of failure. Did I say I wouldn't do it just because I think it's profoundly stupid? Or that I'm disrespectful to my employers because they have stupid rules? I have never once in my life been fired. So what's this assumptive bullshit about not being able to keep a job? You need to get a better grasp of the hypothetical. 
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horatio said: One thing I will give you meow is you certainly know the art of creating threads/debates about NOTHING that go on forever in circles. Like a dog chasing its tail.
[Edited 1/13/09 10:50am] That's funny, I was going to say this is an Ouroboros thread...  A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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RenHoek said: meow85 said: And did I say I wouldn't obey? I may think dress codes are the work of ignorant fucktards with too much time on their hands and poor understanding of their employees or their customers but if it means keeping my job I will do it. But acquiesing to unreasonable demands does not make the demands any less unreasonable. Nothing that you've stated as dress code issues seemed unreasonable to me. Let's twist the issue for a second. If you went to a tattoo parlor to get some new ink and the guy holding the needle wore a blue button down shirt and khakis and didn't have ANY tats of his own, wouldn't you have second thoughts that you might be in the wrong place, even just for a second??? No, I wouldn't. Like any other tattoo artist I'd encountered, I'd ask to see their portfolio or examples of their work, ask if they were accredited by the Health Board, and have done outside research as well. Like you're supposed to if you want a tattoo. Maybe the artist has an allergy or sensitivity to the pigments in the ink? Maybe they've got tattoos under their clothes? Maybe whether or not they have tattoos is none of my business?  "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: RenHoek said: Come to think of it, yes. I myself am a Retailer and I pay particularly close attention to how the mega-stores operate because it's free knowledge for me and my micro-business. The Best Buy uniforms are blue uniform shirts, khaki trousers, and black shoes. If anyone of the sales staff were wearing black pants not only would they stand out like a sore thumb but I doubt they would've made it to the floor. I was not aware of what the Best Buy uniform entailed. Fine. If the employee had dark brown shoes instead of black. First, would you notice? And second, would it matter? And third, if it does matter, why does it? 1st - Yes, I have a ridiculous eye for detail. 2nd - Yes, because part of my shopping experience IS buying into the brand mythos. 3rd - see 2nd. A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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Genesia said: meow85 said: Did I say I wouldn't do it just because I think it's profoundly stupid? Or that I'm disrespectful to my employers because they have stupid rules? I have never once in my life been fired. So what's this assumptive bullshit about not being able to keep a job? You need to get a better grasp of the hypothetical.
Oh, wait - it's always all about you, isn't it? Even when it isn't? Silly me. I get it now. Funny, I thought you said I couldn't follow rules and have a shitty attitude. My mistake. Obviously you were referring to someone else. "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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RenHoek said: meow85 said: I was not aware of what the Best Buy uniform entailed. Fine. If the employee had dark brown shoes instead of black. First, would you notice? And second, would it matter? And third, if it does matter, why does it? 1st - Yes, I have a ridiculous eye for detail. 2nd - Yes, because part of my shopping experience IS buying into the brand mythos. 3rd - see 2nd. The brand mythos is disrupted by a apir of shoes? Do you even want to buy into something so fragile? "A Watcher scoffs at gravity!" | |
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meow85 said: RenHoek said: 1st - Yes, I have a ridiculous eye for detail. 2nd - Yes, because part of my shopping experience IS buying into the brand mythos. 3rd - see 2nd. The brand mythos is disrupted by a apir of shoes? Do you even want to buy into something so fragile? Yes & no but what difference does it make??? Until you're the one calling the shots it won't change and once you're there you may actually see the value of said mythos. In this day and age companies are doing EVERYTHING they can to make every last dollar count, both on the front and back ends. For all I know I probably have to work twice as hard to make my sales based on my looks alone! I'm sure I'd have an easier time of it if all I did was shave... A working class Hero is something to be ~ Lennon |
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