Vendetta1 said:

Yeah! It's all good. Either I will agree or not, either way, it's all chilly-chill!

MuthaFunka said:

I feel one really good point SOS made was the lack of representation of other races altogether. It was completely glossed over on here. I have noticed it has happened before at our regular hangout forum. Basically, since it is not a "black" fight, let the others fight on their own. May not be true, but my perspective. Now, there are cries of being picked on or not seeing the collective point of view of this thread but what is gained when some do it to others?

My two cents.

Vendetta1 said:

Asians, Mexicans and others have entire movie industries. Where is the black movie industry?

Vendetta1 said:

No, that's a valid point. And you're right, just as there are those that aren't Black that don't see a problem with racism, there are Blacks that tend to only see THEIR plight as a problem. I think that goes for every race - Races tend to look out for their own more so than for other races. It's natural.

Graycap23 said:

Did Asians and Mexicans fund their own industries? WTF is wrong with us then?

Vendetta1 said:

I've said various times in my posts people of color and other minorities to be more inclusive, but I thought that the title of the thread made it clear that Gray wanted to discuss the lack of black nominees which he should be able to do without ridicule IMO. Also, considering that African-Americans are, in theory, the most visible minorities it stands to reason that would be the focus of this convo. That being said what do you think about the consistent ratio of 2-4 black nominees out of 75 available nominations??? Does that sound like progress to you?

Vendetta1 said:

Do they still speak their NATIVE tongue? Do they still have a HOMELAND?

Vendetta1 said:

One reason is: African-Americans don't speak a foreign/native/secondary language as a community, while those other groups do, and they can focus and tap into their people through their native tongue, therefore supplying a need for those that demand entertainment in their native tongue.

Graycap23 said:

Beat me to it. That's why there are some people who don't really understand why there's a BET or a TVOne - because African-Americans native tongue is English, and since they speak English, they feel they don't need a station dedicated to their people. THAT'S been one of the major issues in all of this.

MuthaFunka said:

Amonst other things.....

I'm a bit lost now. Is there an Asian and Mexican Movie Industry IN THE USA?!?!
Or you meant in their countries, continents?

SCNDLS said:

To be honest, I would like to have more facts so I can give a informed opinion on the matter. How many black actors were in movies this year? How many were worthy of nomination? How many auditioned and did not get parts, are studio heads only asking for whites to audition, etc.

With that being said, pretty much everyone knows Hollywood is racist, but so are pretty much every other industry. If they were not, there would be no need for affirmative action. What we do with being pissed off about the issue is what matters. Once again, there is an us v. them mentality when we all should be fighting the same fight.

Vendetta1 said:

Those with KNOWLEDGE.....and those without, can NEVER fight the same fight.

Graycap23 said:

Most def.

Vendetta1 said:

But that's been the problem - The fight wasn't started by us but we're the ONLY ones losing, therefore, the victors get the spoils. So why would the victors want to ante up now when they've always been winning?

MuthaFunka said:

I'm sorry but I'm not understanding your point.

Vendetta1 said:

It's hard to all be in the same gang on an issue if some people don't acknowledge that a) there's a problem or b) how pervasive the problem is.

The real issue is much bigger than the Golden Globes and the lack of nominations is merely a symptom of the disease. Yes, I'm pointing out the lack of black nominees but the real problem is that we are not cast to begin with so how can we be nominated? To me, being nominated is NOT the ultimate goal but it is indicative of the lack of good roles for minorities.

In my mind, there's no justiciation for WHY we are not being considered for more roles outside of "black films." Isn't that segregation? Since I'm not a Hollywood insider I can't say without a shadow of a doubt what the reason for that is. However, I can look at the evidence and come to a reasonable conclusion to answer all those questions you listed, especially since I know how shit works in MOST other industries, as you said. Award season is the perfect time IMO to pose those questions to the decision makers because that's when it's most obvious.

SCNDLS said:

You're an actress!!! Cool!

PANDURITO said:

Ummmm. . . no.

Oh!

Vendetta1 said:

Ok, the reason why Latinoes and Asians are able to set-up production companies and get funding because they have their own language to cater to, thus there is a demand due to the language angle. African-Americans don't have that luxury to pull from, because we speak English, which is always being catered to us by the mainstream which overwhelmingly is White.

Vendetta1 said:

I said it.

Is this mic on? *tap* *tap*

MuthaFunka said:

Oh!!!!

But what of the millionaire blacks? Why can't they fund production companies?

it seems to me that if Hollywood does not want to work with "us", then we go and get our own shit. We do not need awards to validate us.

One point I did want to make though: Hollywood seems intent on using the same actors, period.

Vendetta1 said:

They can and some have, but the MAJOR problem in film is ALWAYS gonna be - DISTRIBUTION. THAT is the key. So, there are a lot of Black-funded production companies but it's about getting distribution, which is STILL controlled by those that either feel Blacks won't go see this or that particular film or they simply don't care.

And Hollywood uses the same Black actors because they feel Blacks aren't open to new Black actors as much as their White counterparts are open to new White actors. They go with what's safe. That's why you'll see a new movie and it will have an all new White actor lineup and one WELL-KNOWN Black actor just to get the Black demographic to go see the flick.
[Edited 1/13/09 18:51pm]

MuthaFunka said:

Okay. Thanks for the knowledge.

Vendetta1 said:

No problemo

it's always some kind of conspiracy theory with you guys isn't it?

InsatiableCream said:

Yeah, because "us guys" (nice try) always make shit up. Hell, even that NAACP REPORT I POSTED is made up.

InsatiableCream said:

Yeah, racism is totally made up.

Vendetta1 said:

Just a figment of our imagination.