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PrintableNDRU said: Harlepolis said: It used to bother me but not anymore.
Black filmmakers don't need some Golden Globes/Oscar to evaluate their talent. Look @ Spike Lee,,,,and look at how popular(or unpopular) he is with these shows. They're TARGETED at a certain audience; the middle class white people. So what if we're left-out from this charade?  Big deal, it has always been the case since the making of Hollywood.
[Edited 1/13/09 16:24pm] similarly it used to bother me that GOOD actors & movies aren't recognized at the Golden Globes, but only popular piles of shit.
Or that Britney is the star of the People's Choice awards. But it's the people's choice, purely about ratings. There are SOME award shows that at least attempt to recognize merit without necessarily having to have been a huge hit. That's how Herbie Hancock won last year for an album I hadn't heard of, or when Steely Dan won for Two Against Nature. Surely there are some problems with America and the system or we wouldn't have threads like this every day, but the problem with award shows goes deeper: Why do we need to give awards to rich celebrities in the first place? Their lives are their awards!! [Edited 1/13/09 16:44pm] | |
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SCNDLS said: noimageatall said: Is it an opinion if it's true?  Maybe if someone other than the NAACP says it, then it might be true?
Exactly! I don't get why muthafuckas get their panties in a twist when someone black states the obvious about the current and continuing state of race in Hollywood.  It's like yeah, that's how it is but pointing out means you're bitching. WTF??? So when else are you supposed to call attention to the situation. Or maybe you WE aren't supposed to. Perfect case of ignoring the BIG elephant in the room 
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Harlepolis said: SCNDLS said: Exactly! I don't get why muthafuckas get their panties in a twist when someone black states the obvious about the current and continuing state of race in Hollywood. It's like yeah, that's how it is but pointing out means you're bitching. WTF??? So when else are you supposed to call attention to the situation. Or maybe you WE aren't supposed to. Perfect case of ignoring the BIG elephant in the room
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SCNDLS said: ehuffnsd said: neither one of you are correct. The Golden Globes are chosen by the Hollywood Foriegn Press Assoc. You shoulda kept reading. BUT I'm still right though because MOST of the members of the HFPA are NOT people of color.i didn't realize there were 7 pages. i didn't notice the number of replies or quite figure what i was getting to until it was too late. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: SCNDLS said: You shoulda kept reading. BUT I'm still right though because MOST of the members of the HFPA are NOT people of color.i didn't realize there were 7 pages. i didn't notice the number of replies or quite figure what i was getting to until it was too late.  Yeah, we like the Corleones in this MUTHAFUCKA! | |
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MuthaFunka said: Graycap23 said: Did I miss your point? Nope, I thought you knew? 4's enough for us. Now, stop complaining. [Edited 1/13/09 15:22pm] Lol.....All I can do is shake my head. | |
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abierman said: NDRU said: similarly it used to bother me that GOOD actors & movies aren't recognized at the Golden Globes, but only popular piles of shit.
Or that Britney is the star of the People's Choice awards. But it's the people's choice, purely about ratings. There are SOME award shows that at least attempt to recognize merit without necessarily having to have been a huge hit. That's how Herbie Hancock won last year for an album I hadn't heard of, or when Steely Dan won for Two Against Nature. Surely there are some problems with America and the system or we wouldn't have threads like this every day, but the problem with award shows goes deeper: Why do we need to give awards to rich celebrities in the first place? Their lives are their awards!! [Edited 1/13/09 16:44pm] 'Two Against Nature' was only the most talked about reunion of 2000.....  maybe, and a good album by a great band. But I doubt it got as much airplay as Outkast's Stankonia, which it beat. The people who picked it picked it for its musical merits (or believed that's why they picked it ), same as the Herbie Hancock record.My Legacy
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SCNDLS said: ehuffnsd said: i didn't realize there were 7 pages. i didn't notice the number of replies or quite figure what i was getting to until it was too late. Yeah, we like the Corleones in this MUTHAFUCKA! OMG i have a story about actully be aware that i beneifitted from white privilage. Should I post on here or go start a thread in PnR? You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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ehuffnsd said: SCNDLS said: Yeah, we like the Corleones in this MUTHAFUCKA! OMG i have a story about actully be aware that i beneifitted from white privilage. Should I post on here or go start a thread in PnR? Honey chile, this thread has run the GAMUT so I say, post away. | |
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Graycap23 said: MuthaFunka said: Nope, I thought you knew? 4's enough for us. Now, stop complaining. [Edited 1/13/09 15:22pm] Lol.....All I can do is shake my head. Damn shame, ain't it? nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: Graycap23 said: Lol.....All I can do is shake my head. Damn shame, ain't it? It is.....beyond that. Pityful comes 2 mind. | |
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SCNDLS said: ehuffnsd said: OMG i have a story about actully be aware that i beneifitted from white privilage. Should I post on here or go start a thread in PnR? Honey chile, this thread has run the GAMUT so I say, post away. for the past 3 years i've had an obession with hoodies. i wear them everywher and put the hood up at night, no matter where i'm going. Sunday night I was out, and had to run by the ATM. i was standing there in my hoodie and my baggy cameo pants. than i feel something looking at me from behind. i stop what i'm doing, and turn to see what it was and a cop car had slowed down to a stop on the street and was looking at me. At that moment I pulled off my hood and the car started to drive away. You CANNOT use the name of God, or religion, to justify acts of violence, to hurt, to hate, to discriminate- Madonna
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Harlepolis said: MuthaFunka said: I can dig part of that stance. But the the reason why it's important for Blacks to be recognized is because that's how a lot of "new business" for filmmakers get started. The award show may not validate that filmmaker but an award/nomination itself can generate more business for that filmmaker, and possibly more quality films to be distributed/viewed by the masses about that race. True! But it won't ever happen,,,,at least not willingly! But that's why there has to be a continuous fight to at least keep the issue on the forefront to where change can happen. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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noimageatall said: sosgemini said: Nobody is claiming your making anything up...
...just sharing a different opinion then your. Is it an opinion if it's true? Maybe if someone other than the NAACP says it, then it might be true?
http://www.medialit.org/r...le234.html Longstanding tradition, fear and habit govern the color of the faces you see on the screen. But pressure and negotiation encourage casting directors to break this vicious cycle.
By Rodney Mitchell Over the past decade, discontent over Hollywood's chronic failure to cast minority actors and depict minority groups fairly in both motion pictures and television has sharpened progressively. Several studies have demonstrated conclusively the under-representation of minorities in the media. They also show that time after time, black actors are cast as welfare recipients, criminals and domestic help; Asian actors as launderers and exotics; Latino actors as gang members and drug dealers; Native American actors are seldom seen at all. These facts, and the recurring criticism of industry casting decisions by media watch groups, has forced the media industry fly to reexamine the ways it traditionally has dealt with minority performers. As a result of pressure from its minority members, the Screen Actors Guild (SAG), has been thrust into the forefront of efforts to crack the problem of minority underemployment and stereotyping. Viewers may not be happy when actors go out on strike, but actual and threatened work stoppages provide needed leverage to force changes in contract provision. During the 1980 contract negotiations, SAG won the right to two vital tools in working for better minority representation on the big and tilde screens: statistical data on each studio's hiring practices and meetings with producers to open the casting process to minority actors. For the first time, we have access to reliable profiles of who has been hired for roles in all guild-sanctioned films broken down by race, sex and age. And we have the right, by contract, to challenge producers and casting directors to rethink images produced by the casting decisions they make. The Casting Process To understand what this means, you have to understand how the casting process works. It generally begins when talent agents receive a cast breakdown sheet from casting directors or producers that describes the film or program's characters. For example, a recent movie of the week contained brief descriptions of these two characters: COP: This officer questions Tyler after a tragic accident takes place... 4 lines, 1 scene. MADGE FRIEDMAN: A warm, funny, professional young woman who likes Tyler... 3 speeches and 25 lines, 7 scenes. To fill these requirements, talent agents submit photographs and resumes of clients suitable for the various roles. Casting directors and/or producers then schedule interviews and auditions with actors whose photographs or credits spark an interest. Avoiding Risks If cast breakdown sheets do not identify characters racially, and the majority don't, the so-called 'realities of the business' come into play. Longstanding industry axioms encourage many talent agents to avoid submitting minority actors unless they are specifically requested. So minority actors are denied access to even the initial interviews and auditions, which prevents them, of course, from being considered at all. "Women and minorities charge that the old boys (i.e., television execs) are boys, and almost entirely white boys at that." - Todd Gitlin, Inside Prime Time Thus, minority performers are caught up in a vicious cycle. Too many agents won't go against tradition for fear of jeopardizing opportunities for other actors and actresses they represent. Casting directors are reluctant to challenge the producers' 'view of the world" and endanger future casting contracts. And producers believe they are providing viewers with characters they want to see. In our efforts to break this cycle, the other contract right I mentioned is crucial. Since I came to this position in 1983, I've participated in more than 60 meetings with producers and studio executives to persuade them of the importance of non-traditional casting. It's a continual process of education. Our progress might seem glacial, but we are moving. There have been significant changes accelerating minority employment as well as changes in character portrayal. The problem is that we're working within a system that follows the values of society. Film and television tend to lag behind the changes that are actually occurring and they're run by people under tremendous pressure, people subject to ratings and box office scores and fearful of the loss of their own positions if they don't measure up. It's also an industry where First Amendment and creative rights play a large role and where even members of the white majority are often refused employment simply because of how they look. Changes in minority group casting will follow broader opportunities in society. I believe it also helps to initiate them by presenting models for people to see. The biggest industry boost to a fairer representation of minorities will be the popularity of films and programs containing strong, varied minority characters. But they can't be popular unless they are seen. And they can't be seen unless they are cast. Author: Rodney Mitchell is currently an assistant executive director for the Directors Guild of America. It amazes me at how no matter how much info some of us here present to back these claims of racism, there are STILL factions here that simply DON'T BELIEVE this is happening. Utterly fucking amazing. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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ehuffnsd said: SCNDLS said: Honey chile, this thread has run the GAMUT so I say, post away. for the past 3 years i've had an obession with hoodies. i wear them everywher and put the hood up at night, no matter where i'm going. Sunday night I was out, and had to run by the ATM. i was standing there in my hoodie and my baggy cameo pants. than i feel something looking at me from behind. i stop what i'm doing, and turn to see what it was and a cop car had slowed down to a stop on the street and was looking at me. At that moment I pulled off my hood and the car started to drive away. Good thing you took your hoody off or you might've caught one in the back.  | |
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ehuffnsd said: SCNDLS said: If the globes are like the Oscars it is previous winners, directors, producers, which stands to reason ain't a lot of minorities. neither one of you are correct. The Golden Globes are chosen by the Hollywood Foriegn Press Assoc. No, we knew that already. We were talking about other award shows. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: noimageatall said: It amazes me at how no matter how much info some of us here present to back these claims of racism, there are STILL factions here that simply DON'T BELIEVE this is happening. Utterly fucking amazing. It's about.....maintaining..... | |
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but i think the time to bitch is when the point is valid and i just don't see how this argument is valid right now.
should non-americans have complained last year that foreigners won every single acting oscar? Space for sale... | |
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SCNDLS said: noimageatall said: Is it an opinion if it's true? Maybe if someone other than the NAACP says it, then it might be true?
Exactly! I don't get why muthafuckas get their panties in a twist when someone black states the obvious about the current and continuing state of race in Hollywood. It's like yeah, that's how it is but pointing it out means you're bitching. WTF??? So when else are you supposed to call attention to the situation. Or maybe WE aren't supposed to.
[Edited 1/13/09 16:48pm] And if you notice, EVERY SINGLE TIME we drop data/facts that back up this claim, basically NONE of our opponents ACKNOWLEDGE those facts. So, what does THAT tell you? nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: It amazes me at how no matter how much info some of us here present to back these claims of racism, there are STILL factions here that simply DON'T BELIEVE this is happening. Utterly fucking amazing. I've been saying all along that if directors/producers do not CAST people of color we're screwed from jump. Noimy's article clearly points that out too. What's so hard to understand about that? | |
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Graycap23 said: MuthaFunka said: Damn shame, ain't it? It is.....beyond that. Pityful comes 2 mind. Agreed. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Graycap23 said: MuthaFunka said: It amazes me at how no matter how much info some of us here present to back these claims of racism, there are STILL factions here that simply DON'T BELIEVE this is happening. Utterly fucking amazing. It's about.....maintaining.....  nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: SCNDLS said: Exactly! I don't get why muthafuckas get their panties in a twist when someone black states the obvious about the current and continuing state of race in Hollywood. It's like yeah, that's how it is but pointing it out means you're bitching. WTF??? So when else are you supposed to call attention to the situation. Or maybe WE aren't supposed to.
[Edited 1/13/09 16:48pm] And if you notice, EVERY SINGLE TIME we drop data/facts that back up this claim, basically NONE of our opponents ACKNOWLEDGE those facts. So, what does THAT tell you? Beware of the stranger.....in your mist. | |
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sosgemini said: but i think the time to bitch is when the point is valid and i just don't see how this argument is valid right now.
should non-americans have complained last year that foreigners won every single acting oscar? But what's invalid to one person could be valid to another. For a few us here, it's certainly the latter, simply because it's basically the norm within Hollywood. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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is this the circle jerk portion of the conversation?
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sosgemini said: is this the circle jerk portion of the conversation?
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SCNDLS said: MuthaFunka said: It amazes me at how no matter how much info some of us here present to back these claims of racism, there are STILL factions here that simply DON'T BELIEVE this is happening. Utterly fucking amazing. I've been saying all along that if directors/producers do not CAST people of color we're screwed from jump. Noimy's article clearly points that out too. What's so hard to understand about that? Because there aimply some who can't handle the truth or don't want to look at it because it doesn't affect them. Then there are some with agendas who don't want change. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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Graycap23 said: MuthaFunka said: And if you notice, EVERY SINGLE TIME we drop data/facts that back up this claim, basically NONE of our opponents ACKNOWLEDGE those facts. So, what does THAT tell you? Beware of the stranger.....in your mist. I was "born a suspect" so you KNOW I know. nWo: bboy87 - Timmy84 - LittleBlueCorvette - MuthaFunka - phunkdaddy - Christopher
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MuthaFunka said: sosgemini said: but i think the time to bitch is when the point is valid and i just don't see how this argument is valid right now.
should non-americans have complained last year that foreigners won every single acting oscar? But what's invalid to one person could be valid to another. For a few us here, it's certainly the latter, simply because it's basically the norm within Hollywood. | |
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MuthaFunka said: Graycap23 said: Beware of the stranger.....in your mist. I was "born a suspect" so you KNOW I know.  | |
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